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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

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StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 09:57

I wouldn't say 60-40 was the lions share. Lions share to me is 70-30 plus during his 40% he is looking after 2 DC where as his wife during her 60% is only looking after one. I would say that at least balances it out somewhat.

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 09:58

Christ Iam that is some assumption there Confused

GoooRooo · 18/08/2015 09:59

I used 'lion's share' perfectly correctly. Here's the dictionary definition:

the largest part of something.
synonyms: most, the majority, the larger part/number, the greater part/number, the best/better part, the main part, more than half, the bulk, the preponderance
"the lion's share of the profits"

60% is definitely larger than 40%.

ApplesTheHare · 18/08/2015 09:59

Bathtime I think the OP was in a very very difficult position from the off, and it sounds like he put off making a decision about a 2nd (3rd for him) child for as long as he could. That or he changed his mind, which is allowed as far as I remember. The passing of time often clarifies these things. I only have one DD and some weeks I think I'd like another, some weeks I feel like I just couldn't cope for all of the reasons listed by the OP.

I don't think there's a gender issue here at all, it's more to do with the OP and his wife wanting different things in a relationship and struggling to find a way to compromise.

JustForThisFred · 18/08/2015 09:59

I don't really get it.

Your reasons for not wanting another child are entirely practical, not emotional. Surely you just need to figure out how to manage the practicalities.

Perhaps stop playing the hero with your first wife and discuss the financial situation. She seems very comfortably off, so does she actually need your over payment?

Have another look at the working hours and childcare costs etc with your second wife.

Things might be a bit tighter financially, but so?

Remember your DD and any other babies you have will not be babies/toddlers forever and it will get easier. Babysitters are available. Even if you are home a local teen to help with the younger ones.

There are lots of options...it seems like you're currently just putting your foot down and not putting in any effort to find ways to make this do-able.

If you want to keep your marriage I suggest you stop saying 'No' and start saying 'How could we make this work?' because right now you are acting like only your feelings matter.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 10:00

Stan - then WHY isn't the new wife spending more than 1 hour with her step son? If that would allow her to realise the stress her husband is under? Sounds like it would solve a lot of issues if the new wife and ex wife could get their kids together and all look after DS, but that doesn't seem to be what's happening.

sebsmummy1 · 18/08/2015 10:00

I find myself nodding to Iams post.

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 10:00

I don't need a definition Goo don't be obtuse it makes you look like a dick.

Given the OP has 2 children to care for in his 40% and the wife only one child during her 60% I think that cancels out the "lion's share"

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 18/08/2015 10:01

And thankyou. I am very good at wild assumptions based on a handful of posts bet im right

MiddleAgedandConfused · 18/08/2015 10:01

Your decision seems to be based on making your own life as easy as possible.
Would your life as a single parent of 2 children (if your wife leaves because of this) be easier than your life as a married parent of 3 children?

hellsbellsmelons · 18/08/2015 10:02

I can't help thinking that if this was a woman posting that she didn't want another child but her dp did, but that she had one severely disabled child and another toddler who her dp never looked after on his own the responses here would be different
I agree with this as well.

I always thought I wanted 2 children.
I had one and that was enough for me.
I'm glad of that too as he fucked off and left me to deal with it with no support financial or otherwise.

Kids are a huge commitment - massive massive massive and they cost a lot of money. They take up your time and energy.
I think OP has his hands full as it is and if he knows he can't cope with anymore then that's his prerogative.

Honestly - if roles were reversed this would be a very different thread!

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IfNotNowThenWhen · 18/08/2015 10:03

You feel you can't cope with another child, that is fair enough, although it seems you have been doing that thing men often do of mulling it over on your own for a while on your own rather than talking about it, which must be upsetting for your wife. You should have properly talked to her sooner.
The longing for another child is hard. I felt it the worst when mine was 2/3.
I am currently in a relationship with a man with no dc, and the subject of a baby has come up, given that I am knocking on a bit. I am realising that he really isn't keen, fab as he is with my one dc.
Ok, he hasn't said a definite no - i imagine he doesn't want it to be a deal breaker- but I am not a idiot and reading between the lines I do not think it's going to happen.
I have to take some responsibility for what happens in the future. It may be that we stay together a few years, then when I am too old for babies he leaves me and immediately spawns a ton of kids with someone younger. There is nothing I can do to insure against that.
But for now, I can only go on how things are in the present, and I would never expect anyone to have a baby they don't want. That's why I am pro choice.
(Obviously as time goes on we will need to have proper definitive discussions about the issue but my instincts are fairly sound.)
As LtEve poineed out it's not the worst thing in the world to have one child. Part of me will probably mourn the possibility of more dc, but you can't always get what you want.
And sometimes what you think you want isn't always what you need. Life can be sad, disappointment and loss happen. I am very grateful for my one fabulous child nonetheless.
I hope you can both come to some kind of resolution and peace.

UhtredOfBebbanburg · 18/08/2015 10:03

Lweji I wouldn't want to be married to her.

Well - that would totally be your right. And if I was the OP I might feel like that, all things being equal. But all things are not equal, OP is expecting his wife to contribute financially to enable another woman to have as many babies as she wants at the cost of her not being able to have as many babies as she wants. That is the bit that is not on. OP isn't doing 'the right thing' he is taking the piss and taking advantage of his wife (financial abuse, really). He shouldn't expect his wife to be contributing to another household especially one that is more financially secure than her own. He is using her. That will remain wrong however many additional kids they either do or don't go in to have. Like I said - I'd leave.

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 18/08/2015 10:03

Personally I understand your reasons for why you don't want another child. They are reasonable.

However, as your wife I would feel upset that you'd let me believe there would be another child. This would be a deal breaker for me and I'd probably leave you. Yes it would be hard but I would probably resent you for the rest of my life otherwise. It wouldn't be anyone's fault just that we both wanted different things.

How would you cope paying cm for two on your own and having them completely on your own when they were in your care?

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 10:04

I have no idea WHY Iam maybe the wife doesn't want to.
Maybe the exw doesn't want her to. I will not make up daft assumptions just to fit my pov Hmm

How many times are SM told "do not do all the childcare, make the father parent his DC. It is not your job".

Why would the exw want to spend time with the new wife? Why should they be forced to?

MurielWoods · 18/08/2015 10:04

You cannot compare 40% of time with a toddler and a severely disabled and dependent older child and 60% of time with just a toddler.

They are world apart I'm afraid.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 10:04

How is struggling to cope with his disabled son and his daughter not an emotional thing just?

Also Iam Your wife works LONG hours for 3 days a week in order to earn 5 days money (I have NO CLUE how she does this) and hands it all over for you to decide how it's spent what's the problem here? This is exactly what me and my DP do. I usually work 3 x 14-15 hour shifts a week. He sorts out our finances because I'm shite with money. Why are you criticising their financial situation when there's nothing to suggest his wife is unhappy with it? And when for many families it works for them?

GoooRooo · 18/08/2015 10:04

I wasn't being obtuse, I was explaining why I used that phrase in particular. No need to be a dick about it.

StanSmithsChin · 18/08/2015 10:07

I explained why the use of it was wrong due to the child ratio for each parent. One has 1 child to care for one has 2 so cancels out the "lion's share". Oh and posting the definition was obtuse.

GraysAnalogy · 18/08/2015 10:07

^Your decision seems to be based on making your own life as easy as possible.
Would your life as a single parent of 2 children (if your wife leaves because of this) be easier than your life as a married parent of 3 children?^

Fucking wow.

Firstly, theres absolutely nothing wrong with trying to make your own life, y'know the only one you've got, easy. And actually he isn't doing that, he's preventing it from getting anymore difficult because he has acknowledged he is finding it hard to cope.

And that last line is something an abuser would come out with. 'sweetheart, think of how hard it'll be without me, just do what I say it'll be easier'.

Twowrongsdontmakearight · 18/08/2015 10:07

If the OP's wife works 3 long shifts then that probably means that she is home the other 4 days a week. If the OP has his DS only on days when his DW is around then his DW can look after their two DC and he only needs to cope with one child not potentially three.

NumberTwelve · 18/08/2015 10:08

Iamatotalandutteridiot

OP - I can't make you reply and I certainly can't make you tell me the truth, but from what you've said, I reckon:

Your new wife said she was coming off contraception before you admitted you didn't want another child. You would have happily gone along with the 'maybe, maybe not' line until pushed.

quite true. The conversation has been forced by her request to actively try.

Your wife is not integrated - as you are - in the life of your ex wife or, for that matter, your son.

there's no real need for her to be integrated with my ex. She has a good relationship with my son, but I'd stop short of saying that she views him as our son.

Your wife works LONG hours for 3 days a week in order to earn 5 days money (I have NO CLUE how she does this) and hands it all over for you to decide how it's spent.

paranoid. We make a contribution to our joint account. Hers is £150-200 per month more than mine. She does earn more, and I have a substantial cm payment personally

You like to pay over the odds CM because it keeps things nice and easy with the ex-wife and you're a good dad.

to a degree. Initially paid well over the odds as my finances allowed it. We got pregnant, so I made a change to it. Still legally over the odds, but I believe it to be a fair and appropriate figure.

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TiredOfPeople · 18/08/2015 10:08

Bathtime is totally fruitloops. EVERYTHING you've said is the most utter laughable bullshit. Are you drunk by any chance? Oh wait, I bet just SUPER bitter about an ex? Or just a RAGING feminist?

OP, you did the right thing by telling your wife the truth BEFORE she became pregnant again. Now at least you can both figure out what to do from here on out, whereever that may take you, with an honest footing. I bet looking back in years to come, wherever you both may be in life, she'll be more grateful that you came clean with her BEFORE the baby came along, rather than AFTER when the little one was in your arms and you look up at her and say "I just can't cope". That kind of strain on your relationship would probably break you both up, rather than being honest from the start before all that happened.