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Is this usual in relationships?

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JaneLouiseT · 25/07/2015 04:34

I love my husband dearly and most of the time feel very lucky we are together. But we do have some issues at times and very different outlooks on some things. My husband is a personal trainer and has an amazing physique. But he expects a lot from me and I know he is disappointed about how I look, even though I only had our daughter 3 months ago. I am slim and everyone else thinks I look amazing considering having the baby but I know my stomach isn't good and I am not toned as not been to the gym since before the latter stages of my pregnancy. I do want to look better as I don't feel good, but it is hard to find the time right now and I have no one to look after the baby so I can't go to the gym (can't rely on husband to do it as he works varying hours). So I told him I want to work out at home and he is buying some equipment for me, which is all good.

The biggest issue I have with my husband is he thinks he has to have a drink before we have sex. Which would be ok, I don't care for drinking myself but would tolerate it if he only had a few. He cannot control it and nearly always gets drunk. When he is drunk he gets more judgmental and nearly always has some comment to make about me or my body. I've told him loads of times how much I hate this and how it makes me feel and he still does it. I can't enjoy sex anymore if he has a drink and sex was and is really important to both of us. I tell him all the time and we often argue and end up not having sex at all. I know he is wrong in all this, I just want so much for us to be ok because in other ways he is the best husband and dad and I love him so much.

The main reason I am posting on here is to get some perspective about how sex is in other relationships. Tonight we ended up not having sex because I refused to put make up on. I ended up putting some eyeliner and lip stick on but this isn't enough for him so he started shouting at me and telling me if I love him I should do this for him. He know I am not skilled at putting on make-up, I know I need to learn this because other women seem to be able to make themselves look amazing and I just don't know how. This had never been important to me before I met him, I was 38 years old when I left my ex husband and all that time he has never cared too much about how little effort I made with myself. Some of it was about lack of knowledge or ability to apply good makeup, some was about confidence. But in some ways I feel I am confident because I believe I look ok as I am, I only thought I needed a lot of makeup if it is a special occasion. I got my makeup done for my wedding and felt amazing and he loved that.

I keep going off because there is so much to say to try and give a full picture. My main things I want to know is about sex... My husband has always had a routine about sex since we met, and that is fine. There is occasional spontaneous sex but usually We both shower and take care of ourselves, this means shaving etc and making ourselves presentable. For me after the shower he would then like me to be dressed in nice underwear, stockings/heels is a bonus for him, nice perfume, and full make-up. He complains when I do wear makeup it is not enough.i just think that last night it was 11:30pm before we had both showered etc and I dressed for him in hold up stockings and black lace g string. I put body lotion on in the perfume he likes on me. As soon as I came out of the bathroom he said to me am I going to put makeup on? And I said no because he always tells me I can't do it right anyway so what was the point? But as I said I relented and did a little makeup. I would have done more but it was obvious that between me going to the shower and coming out he had had a lot more to drink, which makes me not want to bother. He is not critical of me when he is sober since I told him about it. When I came back to the bedroom with my minimal makeup he just ranted at me about how I should do it better, I should know how to do it because I am 40 and 14 year old girls know how to do makeup better than me (I know this but it doesn't help me).

I told him I believe that most men would not be so demanding as he is but he said that every other woman he has been with, and it is quite a few, has always known how to make herself look good. Part of me wants to please him so much and if I knew how to apply good makeup like he wants I would do it. But part of me thinks he should appreciate me for who I am and how I am without it. I do have an issue because I feel inferior to him because of how he looks, I know he could easily find someone else who would want him. But I never fell in love with him for his body either, I am not like that, I never lusted after fit men. I just fell in love with him for who he was and his eyes and his smile and his laugh. I just wish he would appreciate the good qualities in me more, I am caring and kind and a good mum to our daughter and his step-daughter when she stays. But then sometimes I feel I am the frumpy wife and wish I could be different for myself as well as him. Deep down I know he loves me because I am different to what he is used to, but sometimes I know he thinks we are too different. I am so close to telling him to find someone else if I am not good enough for him. I always tell him how much I love him and try to make him feel special and good about himself.

I Don't have experience with men, my ex hardly wanted sex at all, hardly paid any attention to me. Do other men expect the things my husband expects? Do some men anyway? Considering we have our baby I hardly ever say no to sex because I do have a good sex drive and I enjoy it, 3 times a week is usual for us, I think most men would feel happy with that and lucky to have me, makeup or not, sexy underwear or not. Am I right?

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Lashalicious · 28/07/2015 23:44

This guy is a weirdo. All the issues are on his side and he's trying to blame you for his weirdo behavior. It is not normal for a man to act like this. He has to get drunk to have sex with you? Alarm bells ringing! He is full on gay if he has to get drunk to have sex with a woman. His angry demands that you dress as a prostitute shows that he is trying to convince himself that if you do, he will be more attracted to you and thus want to have sex with you. He is telling himself that you are not woman enough to attract him when the truth is he is not attracted to women. He is so repulsed that he has to get drunk...he is in denial. Very bizarre behavior! My husband is attracted to me whether I'm dressed up (hardly ever) or sloppy and unkempt and unshowered and unshaved. I don't think there's anything I could do to turn him off, a normal husband loves you and thinks you're attractive in your natural state, end of. That's what marriage is, you love each other "as is."

AgathaF · 29/07/2015 00:12

I'm amazed you can bring yourself to have sex at all with such a demanding and judgemental man.

JaneLouiseT · 29/07/2015 03:02

Yes I did speak to him. We talked for hours and at times it was arguing and verbally fighting with each other but in the end I felt like he was listening to me, which is progress. I think I had more strength to stand up for myself and know I was right because of all the feedback on here. I used some of your comments. It wasn't a good night to be honest because he was insisting for a long time, even after everything we talked about, he wanted to watch porn with me before sex. We do sometimes watch it together but I told him no, I just want it to be me and him, nothing else. I was alarmed how long he insisted on this but I wouldn't back down. I just kept repeating why can't you give me what I want? He didn't get mad with me or storm out or lose his temper through all of this which have me some hope he was taking it seriously for once.

Anyway I really do think porn is a big issue and I only then realised how bad it has got. I read about porn addiction online and signs to look for and most of the signs are not there, but some are and how he expects me to be and to look is one of them.

The next morning he came to me (I slept in spare bed next to the baby in cot) and he was exactly how I always want him to be. Obviously he was sober, he was loving and caring and made love to me not just had sex, like I know he can, he was the person I fell in love with again. I'm not stupid enough to think this means everything will be ok now, in a way it is more dryer sting that he can be "normal" but he chooses not to be. If there is done compromise from him I don't even mind the dressing up and makeup sometimes, I don't always hate those things, it is his insistence that turned me off it. This all happened Sunday night/Monday morning and we have not had any sexual contact since then so I don't know how hints will be from now...

I know you can't change people and we both want to change each other which is bad, although my reasons for trying to change him are good and real ones.

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JaneLouiseT · 29/07/2015 03:05

Sorry for the corrective text typos..... It is 3am but I sometimes end up online after feeding the baby!

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DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 29/07/2015 09:44

Well, good luck and courage with whatever happens next.

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