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Is this usual in relationships?

105 replies

JaneLouiseT · 25/07/2015 04:34

I love my husband dearly and most of the time feel very lucky we are together. But we do have some issues at times and very different outlooks on some things. My husband is a personal trainer and has an amazing physique. But he expects a lot from me and I know he is disappointed about how I look, even though I only had our daughter 3 months ago. I am slim and everyone else thinks I look amazing considering having the baby but I know my stomach isn't good and I am not toned as not been to the gym since before the latter stages of my pregnancy. I do want to look better as I don't feel good, but it is hard to find the time right now and I have no one to look after the baby so I can't go to the gym (can't rely on husband to do it as he works varying hours). So I told him I want to work out at home and he is buying some equipment for me, which is all good.

The biggest issue I have with my husband is he thinks he has to have a drink before we have sex. Which would be ok, I don't care for drinking myself but would tolerate it if he only had a few. He cannot control it and nearly always gets drunk. When he is drunk he gets more judgmental and nearly always has some comment to make about me or my body. I've told him loads of times how much I hate this and how it makes me feel and he still does it. I can't enjoy sex anymore if he has a drink and sex was and is really important to both of us. I tell him all the time and we often argue and end up not having sex at all. I know he is wrong in all this, I just want so much for us to be ok because in other ways he is the best husband and dad and I love him so much.

The main reason I am posting on here is to get some perspective about how sex is in other relationships. Tonight we ended up not having sex because I refused to put make up on. I ended up putting some eyeliner and lip stick on but this isn't enough for him so he started shouting at me and telling me if I love him I should do this for him. He know I am not skilled at putting on make-up, I know I need to learn this because other women seem to be able to make themselves look amazing and I just don't know how. This had never been important to me before I met him, I was 38 years old when I left my ex husband and all that time he has never cared too much about how little effort I made with myself. Some of it was about lack of knowledge or ability to apply good makeup, some was about confidence. But in some ways I feel I am confident because I believe I look ok as I am, I only thought I needed a lot of makeup if it is a special occasion. I got my makeup done for my wedding and felt amazing and he loved that.

I keep going off because there is so much to say to try and give a full picture. My main things I want to know is about sex... My husband has always had a routine about sex since we met, and that is fine. There is occasional spontaneous sex but usually We both shower and take care of ourselves, this means shaving etc and making ourselves presentable. For me after the shower he would then like me to be dressed in nice underwear, stockings/heels is a bonus for him, nice perfume, and full make-up. He complains when I do wear makeup it is not enough.i just think that last night it was 11:30pm before we had both showered etc and I dressed for him in hold up stockings and black lace g string. I put body lotion on in the perfume he likes on me. As soon as I came out of the bathroom he said to me am I going to put makeup on? And I said no because he always tells me I can't do it right anyway so what was the point? But as I said I relented and did a little makeup. I would have done more but it was obvious that between me going to the shower and coming out he had had a lot more to drink, which makes me not want to bother. He is not critical of me when he is sober since I told him about it. When I came back to the bedroom with my minimal makeup he just ranted at me about how I should do it better, I should know how to do it because I am 40 and 14 year old girls know how to do makeup better than me (I know this but it doesn't help me).

I told him I believe that most men would not be so demanding as he is but he said that every other woman he has been with, and it is quite a few, has always known how to make herself look good. Part of me wants to please him so much and if I knew how to apply good makeup like he wants I would do it. But part of me thinks he should appreciate me for who I am and how I am without it. I do have an issue because I feel inferior to him because of how he looks, I know he could easily find someone else who would want him. But I never fell in love with him for his body either, I am not like that, I never lusted after fit men. I just fell in love with him for who he was and his eyes and his smile and his laugh. I just wish he would appreciate the good qualities in me more, I am caring and kind and a good mum to our daughter and his step-daughter when she stays. But then sometimes I feel I am the frumpy wife and wish I could be different for myself as well as him. Deep down I know he loves me because I am different to what he is used to, but sometimes I know he thinks we are too different. I am so close to telling him to find someone else if I am not good enough for him. I always tell him how much I love him and try to make him feel special and good about himself.

I Don't have experience with men, my ex hardly wanted sex at all, hardly paid any attention to me. Do other men expect the things my husband expects? Do some men anyway? Considering we have our baby I hardly ever say no to sex because I do have a good sex drive and I enjoy it, 3 times a week is usual for us, I think most men would feel happy with that and lucky to have me, makeup or not, sexy underwear or not. Am I right?

OP posts:
Tiredemma · 25/07/2015 07:47

Awful- this isnt 'normal' at all. Its very abusive.

Demanding a full face of make up and dressing up at 1130? Fine if you are both into it but not if you are forced.

carriebrody · 25/07/2015 07:47

You are right, you are too different - you are a good person and he is an abusive dickhead.

Blowingoffsteam · 25/07/2015 07:50

I'm thinking this man has a huge porn habit. You absolutely do not have to put yourself through that performance.

33goingon64 · 25/07/2015 07:51

I used to feel pressured into dressing up etc for DH when we first got together as he led me to believe his XW had done this and it was expected. Nothing like the cruel cold comments you've been getting though. In the end it took counselling for me to realise that it's ok for me to refuse to do this and that he should still respect and love me without having to try so hard. Please please stand up to your DH who frankly sounds immensely insecure himself and he's controlling you to make himself feel better. You sound like a lovely person and deserve more respect.

DoreenLethal · 25/07/2015 07:52

We both shower and take care of ourselves, this means shaving etc and making ourselves presentable

I am quite interested in what he does to make himself presentable to you. Shower, shave, top hat, tails? Superman outfit? What have you requested he wears prior to 'the act'?

Actually no I'm not a bit interested as I doubt it is anything, is it? He sounds like he behaves like an utter cunt in so many ways it really isn't worth exploring this.

guineapig1 · 25/07/2015 07:53

Absolutely not normal. He sounds controlling and abusive.

Lweji · 25/07/2015 07:54

I have to agree with everybody in the thread. And think sofa has given you a good action plan.

Think about what you want and don't take anything that makes you feel less than great about this relationship.

I'd hazard a guess that he gets his kicks from abusing you and uses his drink as an excuse to do it without you confronting him because he can blame the booze.
Well, make him responsible for all he says and do, regardless of drink.
Stop sex every single time he puts you down.

Do make it clear when he is sober and before he starts drinking, that it's not acceptable to be treated this way.
And evaluate if you want to be long term with this person.

Make sure you don't get in a position where it's so hard for you to leave that you end up staying regardless. And if you are, start working on a leaving plan, for when should you need it.

33goingon64 · 25/07/2015 07:56

Oh my God and you've just had a baby!! It takes at least 6-9 months for your body to be ready for any kind of intense exercise, especially in your core, so please take care and get proper post natal advice before you start. The point is your DH ought to be adoring and protecting you right now especially in your new role as a mother to his child. Not forcing you to perform like a doll for his pleasure.

bagelfiend · 25/07/2015 07:59

What a sad read. Your H sounds very controlling and self centred.
This is definitely not normal and he clearly doesn't have any respect for you. You sound lovely and deserve a hell of a lot more for yourself and your children.

Joysmum · 25/07/2015 08:16

Surely sex is about an expression of love more than fucking for pleasure.

He just sounds like he wants a sex doll and doesn't care for you or you feelings at all.

Lastly, how shallow is this man Shock

I'd not be up for being used like that and a drunk man when you are diner is very unattractive, however attractive they think I hey may be. Sad

Joysmum · 25/07/2015 08:17

*sober

Ragwort · 25/07/2015 08:17

Is this really true?

Why on earth would any woman accept this sort of treatment from her husband (or husband from wife for that matter)?

Has he always been like this, what do you 'love' about him?

You think you have heard everything on Mumsnet and then you read something like this ............... where is your self respect? How would you feel if your daughter was in a relationship like this in the future?

amyd42 · 25/07/2015 08:39

I think our child was about 6 months old before I put make up on. Or had sex for that matter. Or was still up at 11.30pm (unless I was feeding). Child is now 2 and a half and it would never even occur to me to put make up on for sex. Surely he should be happy with you in your natural state. He's a pleb, sorry!

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 25/07/2015 08:56

Not one of the many men I've been in a sexual relationship has demanded I put make-up/sexy lingerie on or shaved before they'd fuck me, and got stroppy if I didn't. If they did they wouldn't last long. Sure, many have appreciated it when I've "tarted up" but that's a million miles away from your "D"H's attitude. He has some serious issues and I bet they extend out of the bedroom too.

Lovingfreedom · 25/07/2015 08:59

No it's not usual and not acceptable to be getting criticised like that from someone who you are supposedly in a loving caring relationship with.

bettyberry · 25/07/2015 09:00

It's sounds like your husband wants a doll not a woman.

Also, it is an issue for some men post pregnancy to handle the changes of their wife to that of mother BUT his behaviour is unacceptable.

My OH still has sex with me If I haven't shaved my legs in a week or if I've gained half a stone. He doesn't give a toss if I wear make up and certainly doesn't need a beer ( or 5) in order to perform.

Your husband has serious issues around sex and appearance.

This is not your fault.

He reminds me of an ex of mine who refused to have sex with me because I had a full bush and he found it 'dirty' because I didn't look 'porn star ready' his words. Cue me downloading a stack of vintage porn and making him watch it with me then pointing out his shaved chest 'wasn't porn star ready' anyway that didn't last and he wasn't ever going to grow up.

Back to you, the way he is behaving... It's inacceptable. it's also abusive. Yelling at you because you don't meet his skewed standards of what a woman is meant to look like. You are not a thing that must jump and meet HIS needs. What about yours? You are a woman and not there just for his sexual gratification you are his partner!

Personally I'd buy him a blow up doll, put some stockings on it and leave but that's just me!

No1warnedme · 25/07/2015 09:02

OP, please think about your needs. It is important to feel valued and appreciated in any relationship, and it really doesn't sound like you're getting that at the moment. I don't want to rush in and say LTB, but at the very least, you might benefit from thinking very seriously about your future with this man if he knows how you feel about his behaviour / demands, and doesn't seem willing to be more considerate of you. Relationships are full of compromises, but not to the detriment of happiness. Good luck Thanks

Love51 · 25/07/2015 09:17

I can't get past the fact that you are having sex with someone who has just subjected you to a barrage of criticism! And shouted at you. He's clearly got some messed up ideas about foreplay.

Milllii · 25/07/2015 09:22

If he is needing to get drunk before having sex with you then he has a problem with either not being attracted to you or could he be gay?? Confused

dangerrabbit · 25/07/2015 09:29

No. This behaviour is not normal in relationships.

What are you going to do about it?

Annarose2014 · 25/07/2015 09:30

This is......wierd. All of it.

Its not normal to need to get drunk before sex.

Its not usual to need to shower and shave before sex.

Its not usual to have to put on make up before sex.

Its not normal to critisize someones body three months after having a baby.

None of this is right. At all.

Kvetch15 · 25/07/2015 09:32

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VixxFace · 25/07/2015 09:37

LTB

Limer · 25/07/2015 09:38

You poor thing. This is not usual and not normal. He sounds horrible.

quietlysuggests · 25/07/2015 10:03

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