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Is this usual in relationships?

105 replies

JaneLouiseT · 25/07/2015 04:34

I love my husband dearly and most of the time feel very lucky we are together. But we do have some issues at times and very different outlooks on some things. My husband is a personal trainer and has an amazing physique. But he expects a lot from me and I know he is disappointed about how I look, even though I only had our daughter 3 months ago. I am slim and everyone else thinks I look amazing considering having the baby but I know my stomach isn't good and I am not toned as not been to the gym since before the latter stages of my pregnancy. I do want to look better as I don't feel good, but it is hard to find the time right now and I have no one to look after the baby so I can't go to the gym (can't rely on husband to do it as he works varying hours). So I told him I want to work out at home and he is buying some equipment for me, which is all good.

The biggest issue I have with my husband is he thinks he has to have a drink before we have sex. Which would be ok, I don't care for drinking myself but would tolerate it if he only had a few. He cannot control it and nearly always gets drunk. When he is drunk he gets more judgmental and nearly always has some comment to make about me or my body. I've told him loads of times how much I hate this and how it makes me feel and he still does it. I can't enjoy sex anymore if he has a drink and sex was and is really important to both of us. I tell him all the time and we often argue and end up not having sex at all. I know he is wrong in all this, I just want so much for us to be ok because in other ways he is the best husband and dad and I love him so much.

The main reason I am posting on here is to get some perspective about how sex is in other relationships. Tonight we ended up not having sex because I refused to put make up on. I ended up putting some eyeliner and lip stick on but this isn't enough for him so he started shouting at me and telling me if I love him I should do this for him. He know I am not skilled at putting on make-up, I know I need to learn this because other women seem to be able to make themselves look amazing and I just don't know how. This had never been important to me before I met him, I was 38 years old when I left my ex husband and all that time he has never cared too much about how little effort I made with myself. Some of it was about lack of knowledge or ability to apply good makeup, some was about confidence. But in some ways I feel I am confident because I believe I look ok as I am, I only thought I needed a lot of makeup if it is a special occasion. I got my makeup done for my wedding and felt amazing and he loved that.

I keep going off because there is so much to say to try and give a full picture. My main things I want to know is about sex... My husband has always had a routine about sex since we met, and that is fine. There is occasional spontaneous sex but usually We both shower and take care of ourselves, this means shaving etc and making ourselves presentable. For me after the shower he would then like me to be dressed in nice underwear, stockings/heels is a bonus for him, nice perfume, and full make-up. He complains when I do wear makeup it is not enough.i just think that last night it was 11:30pm before we had both showered etc and I dressed for him in hold up stockings and black lace g string. I put body lotion on in the perfume he likes on me. As soon as I came out of the bathroom he said to me am I going to put makeup on? And I said no because he always tells me I can't do it right anyway so what was the point? But as I said I relented and did a little makeup. I would have done more but it was obvious that between me going to the shower and coming out he had had a lot more to drink, which makes me not want to bother. He is not critical of me when he is sober since I told him about it. When I came back to the bedroom with my minimal makeup he just ranted at me about how I should do it better, I should know how to do it because I am 40 and 14 year old girls know how to do makeup better than me (I know this but it doesn't help me).

I told him I believe that most men would not be so demanding as he is but he said that every other woman he has been with, and it is quite a few, has always known how to make herself look good. Part of me wants to please him so much and if I knew how to apply good makeup like he wants I would do it. But part of me thinks he should appreciate me for who I am and how I am without it. I do have an issue because I feel inferior to him because of how he looks, I know he could easily find someone else who would want him. But I never fell in love with him for his body either, I am not like that, I never lusted after fit men. I just fell in love with him for who he was and his eyes and his smile and his laugh. I just wish he would appreciate the good qualities in me more, I am caring and kind and a good mum to our daughter and his step-daughter when she stays. But then sometimes I feel I am the frumpy wife and wish I could be different for myself as well as him. Deep down I know he loves me because I am different to what he is used to, but sometimes I know he thinks we are too different. I am so close to telling him to find someone else if I am not good enough for him. I always tell him how much I love him and try to make him feel special and good about himself.

I Don't have experience with men, my ex hardly wanted sex at all, hardly paid any attention to me. Do other men expect the things my husband expects? Do some men anyway? Considering we have our baby I hardly ever say no to sex because I do have a good sex drive and I enjoy it, 3 times a week is usual for us, I think most men would feel happy with that and lucky to have me, makeup or not, sexy underwear or not. Am I right?

OP posts:
butterflygirl15 · 25/07/2015 10:03

he is an abusive drunk. The way he treats you is disgusting, you are not a piece of meat. It would be a ltb from me - you deserve much more than this.

chloesmumtoo · 25/07/2015 10:13

This is just totally awful, lost for words.
Op you said something on the lines of that he could get anyone he wanted, well it may surprise you but no I don't think he could. I don't think there are going to be many to put up with what you are no matter how good looking he is!
Would you want your daughters in a relationship like this. Would or will they hear he treats you like this, cause it's not normal or healthy. You must feel like an object, no way, its defo weird. How has it gone on this far.......You deserve so much better. Sending hugs- I feel no matter how hard it is you should get out of this relationship asap x

Anniegetyourgun · 25/07/2015 10:23

A poster earlier suggested he may be struggling with his sexuality. That would explain quite a lot, to be honest.

Oh, and if "every other woman he has been with, and it is quite a few, has always known how to make herself look good" then maybe he should have married one of those, eh? That's if his demands hadn't made them run for the hills Hmm But I doubt it is actually true. I take it you only have his word for it that he is Superstud with a string of impossibly glamorous exes? My apologies to him if you have seen the evidence!

ScorpioMermaid · 25/07/2015 10:35

He sounds like a massive creep.

If I put make up on before sex, it's because I want to have fun and dress up and seduce DH. Not because my DH won't have sex with me unless I do so.

same goes for the other things. Its just not normal behaviour. its controlling.

sapphirestars · 25/07/2015 10:39

I felt really awful for you reading this. This is definitely not normal. Your husband should be able to look you in the eyes, as you are, and look at you with love. Not with vile comments and put downs. Do you really think this is all you deserve? I absolutely love it when my boyfriend looks at me before we have sex ( I have put a lot of weight on in the last 9 years together and he still looks at me like that!) I hope you get out of this :(

Branleuse · 25/07/2015 10:42

wow. does he even like you for who you are??

OTheHugeManatee · 25/07/2015 10:43

He sounds horrible. You had a baby three months ago and he is bullying you for not having a perfect body? What does he want you to be, Barbie?

Besides, everyone knows Ken is gay.

SerialBox · 25/07/2015 11:13

Haven't read the entire thread but I've noticed a few people mentioning porn.

I'm not sure I think that's the issue and I'm sorry to ask but is there a possibility he's been visiting or has previously visited escorts? It sounds like he is trying to recreate that type of scenario.

Either way. It's not normal the way he treats you. i would consider counselling if I were you. Relationship counselling if you want to try and work through it all but individual for you also. Get some confidence back. You're not his plaything you are his equal and he either has to start acknowledging that and treating you as such or take a hike.

I'd also tell him sex will not be happening if he's been drinking. It's up to you whether you even want to sleep with him sober. I wouldn't.

JaneLouiseT · 25/07/2015 11:18

I didn't expect so many responses but thank you, you have confirmed what I felt to be true. Yes he is massively into porn and I think some of his expectations comes from that. But he can be a gentle, caring, lover who looks after my needs as well. We do on occasion have sober sex, usually mornings, and I love it so much because he is different. He says having a drink helps him relax, but has recently finally admitted he doesn't know when he has had enough when he starts. He would 't even admit to having a problem for a long time.
His sexuality I don't think is the issue..... As far as I know he loves women not men. But I can see why some of you question that.

I am going to confront him again and tell him he is the one with the issues not me. I always thought I was just a nornal girl with normal needs and wants and you have confirmed that for me. You're right I shouldn't put up with this, and I know every abided woman says it, but I do love him. I wonder if he would agree to counselling if it comes down to it? I will talk to him later. Thank you all so much

OP posts:
Milllii · 25/07/2015 11:28

It's good that you have the intimate morning sex and it sounds like the drunk sex is when he wants his fantasy woman.

Milllii · 25/07/2015 11:31

OP I think if you had included your previous post in your first post you would have got some different answers.

SurlyCue · 25/07/2015 11:41

Was just about to post that your husband is gay. Glad others are thinking the same.

OP i am really shocked by your post. It is not normal. Far from it. You dont have to do any of that.

Doobigetta · 25/07/2015 11:42

My ex was like this. Used to nag me to go to the gym, wear shorter, tighter clothes and more make-up. It was all about having a trophy for him. He was also obsessed (boringly so) with his own appearance and fitness. It didn't chip away at my self-esteem, just at my love and respect for him, to the point where I left him. Maybe you should let your husband know that this is a real possibility, and make him work a bit harder to make you feel loved and valued for who you are, not how similar you can make yourself to a pornstar.

Btw, if you didn't have a three month old, I'd just suggest you ditch the tosser.

Tryharder · 25/07/2015 11:53

I had to read your post a couple of times because I was shocked. And after 7 years on MN, things rarely shock me on here.

In quick answer to your question, no it is not normal to expect your wife who gave birth 12 weeks ago to put on a porn show in full get up before you can even contemplate sex with her.

Most women 3 months after giving birth are only just starting to think about sex. It takes months and months before most women IME resume full sexual relations with their DHs after having a child.

Yes, it's nice to make an effort for your partner, dress up, act out role plays and fantasies etc. Most couples probably make a special effort for their partners from time to time - weekends or when children are away etc. But it is also usual for couples to have 'mainstream' and spontaneous sex that whilst orgasmic and loving, does not involve full make up at 11pm (how do you even have time????) and 'having to' get dressed up before he even contemplates touching you.

Only you can decide if you can live like this, OP. Hmm

butterflygirl15 · 25/07/2015 12:02

Yuck - excessive porn use too. Not one redeeming feature about him tbh. Women are just commodities to him it seems.

loveyoutothemoon · 25/07/2015 13:42

Sorry but what are you doing with this man? He's controlling, aggressive and manipulative. It doesn't sound like he loves/likes you for what you are.

BillyDaveysDaughter · 25/07/2015 14:19

Heavens. When I read some of these threads I feel very blessed.

I can't get completely absorbed in the thread as I have shit to do, but couldn't read and run - no no no this is not normal by any stretch.

I hesitate to advise, but my view is that his approach is mean, selfish and unkind. You are a human being and the mother of his child, you deserve to be treated a such.

Thanks
PeoniesForAll · 25/07/2015 14:22

I think everyone here has echoed my thoughts on the matter.

I do also think his issue is porn related and he has this idea that sex is for the man. You are simply a tool for his sexual gratification not his equal also deserving of pleasure.

How dare he bring us his exes and compare you. what kind of husband belittles his wife like this?

And as you asked - no this routine you both have for sex is not normal. It sounds exhausting having to 'prep' yourself each and every time you have sex. I have never worn make up during sex because the sheets would get dirty! and my DP has never expected it of me.

Your DH should be showering you with compliments and making you feel like the most beautiful woman he could ever hope for - especially after just pushing out his baby! If he is concerned about something or wants to change something, then he should do this without pressure in a respectful way. I'm sorry but the belittling and insults about my body, as well as his self absorbed demands for sex, would be enough for me to LTB.

pocketsaviour · 25/07/2015 14:34

He says having a drink helps him relax, but has recently finally admitted he doesn't know when he has had enough when he starts. He would 't even admit to having a problem for a long time.

OK, so he does acknowledge that he has a drink problem. Has he agreed to actually do anything about it?

Since he is perfectly capable of having sex without being drunk (in the mornings) I would suggest that you immediately stop having any sex with him when he has had a drink. Just take it off the table completely. Right now he is being demanding and entitled, and insulting you when drunk, and you are rewarding him with sex. So why would he stop?

I would personally be kicking this sad, inadequate cunt to the kerb, but it sounds like you want to stay with him. If you don't take steps now to stop him walking all over you, you'll be back here in 5 years with your self-esteem and confidence even more in tatters, asking how you can leave him now you've got 2 kids under 5 and you have nowhere to go...

BoxOfKittens · 25/07/2015 14:35

I'm actually shocked by this!

You ask about other people's experience. For me its the other way around, in that I will say "ugh I look bloated" or be worried because I've not had chance to be as groomed as I'd like etc. but my boyfriend will always tell me that he likes me however I am. Whether it's first thing in the morning or after a week of insomnia or other occasions where I've looked far from my best, he's never once made a negative comment or not wanted to have sex.

This has been the case with past partners too, including fwb where there wasn't necessarily the loving connection found with a long term partner.

Your partner sounds very unfair, disrespectful and unloving, I dont know how you have the confidence or inclination to have sex with him anymore to be honest, after the things hes said and demands that he has made.

pocketsaviour · 25/07/2015 14:35

I do also think his issue is porn related

Personally I think it's more being-a-total-cunt-related, but each to their own Grin

BoxOfKittens · 25/07/2015 14:39

I also wonder if this is some sort of fetish for him. have you asked why you need to have a make over Before he will have sex with you?

Enjoyingthepeace · 25/07/2015 17:24

You say he is a Personal Trainer.

My guess is he is very very in to his body and how things look aesthetically. He is probably mainlining protein shakes and supplements. Research the supplements he takes, as I did for my DH and I was shocked... Mood swings, anger problems... The list was endless.

aeon456 · 25/07/2015 17:31

He sounds awful! his sexual desire seems to hinge on you looking a very specific way so he seems to have some kind of fetish for a particular look.
He sounds obsessional, controlling and an utter bully. I wouldn't even want to share breathing space with him let alone please him! Any man who is critical of how you look with no makeup is a waste of your time as for a connection to be worth your while it has to be based on personality primarily, with looks secondary.

Judydreamsofhorses · 25/07/2015 17:46

Gosh. Last night I put on my pyjamas and cleansed my face at about 8pm, went to bed at around midnight and DP still found me desirable, despite my naked face and pre-menstrual bloat.

I don't think there is a true "normal" in relationships, but this scenario is not "usual" in my own experience.

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