Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Is this usual in relationships?

105 replies

JaneLouiseT · 25/07/2015 04:34

I love my husband dearly and most of the time feel very lucky we are together. But we do have some issues at times and very different outlooks on some things. My husband is a personal trainer and has an amazing physique. But he expects a lot from me and I know he is disappointed about how I look, even though I only had our daughter 3 months ago. I am slim and everyone else thinks I look amazing considering having the baby but I know my stomach isn't good and I am not toned as not been to the gym since before the latter stages of my pregnancy. I do want to look better as I don't feel good, but it is hard to find the time right now and I have no one to look after the baby so I can't go to the gym (can't rely on husband to do it as he works varying hours). So I told him I want to work out at home and he is buying some equipment for me, which is all good.

The biggest issue I have with my husband is he thinks he has to have a drink before we have sex. Which would be ok, I don't care for drinking myself but would tolerate it if he only had a few. He cannot control it and nearly always gets drunk. When he is drunk he gets more judgmental and nearly always has some comment to make about me or my body. I've told him loads of times how much I hate this and how it makes me feel and he still does it. I can't enjoy sex anymore if he has a drink and sex was and is really important to both of us. I tell him all the time and we often argue and end up not having sex at all. I know he is wrong in all this, I just want so much for us to be ok because in other ways he is the best husband and dad and I love him so much.

The main reason I am posting on here is to get some perspective about how sex is in other relationships. Tonight we ended up not having sex because I refused to put make up on. I ended up putting some eyeliner and lip stick on but this isn't enough for him so he started shouting at me and telling me if I love him I should do this for him. He know I am not skilled at putting on make-up, I know I need to learn this because other women seem to be able to make themselves look amazing and I just don't know how. This had never been important to me before I met him, I was 38 years old when I left my ex husband and all that time he has never cared too much about how little effort I made with myself. Some of it was about lack of knowledge or ability to apply good makeup, some was about confidence. But in some ways I feel I am confident because I believe I look ok as I am, I only thought I needed a lot of makeup if it is a special occasion. I got my makeup done for my wedding and felt amazing and he loved that.

I keep going off because there is so much to say to try and give a full picture. My main things I want to know is about sex... My husband has always had a routine about sex since we met, and that is fine. There is occasional spontaneous sex but usually We both shower and take care of ourselves, this means shaving etc and making ourselves presentable. For me after the shower he would then like me to be dressed in nice underwear, stockings/heels is a bonus for him, nice perfume, and full make-up. He complains when I do wear makeup it is not enough.i just think that last night it was 11:30pm before we had both showered etc and I dressed for him in hold up stockings and black lace g string. I put body lotion on in the perfume he likes on me. As soon as I came out of the bathroom he said to me am I going to put makeup on? And I said no because he always tells me I can't do it right anyway so what was the point? But as I said I relented and did a little makeup. I would have done more but it was obvious that between me going to the shower and coming out he had had a lot more to drink, which makes me not want to bother. He is not critical of me when he is sober since I told him about it. When I came back to the bedroom with my minimal makeup he just ranted at me about how I should do it better, I should know how to do it because I am 40 and 14 year old girls know how to do makeup better than me (I know this but it doesn't help me).

I told him I believe that most men would not be so demanding as he is but he said that every other woman he has been with, and it is quite a few, has always known how to make herself look good. Part of me wants to please him so much and if I knew how to apply good makeup like he wants I would do it. But part of me thinks he should appreciate me for who I am and how I am without it. I do have an issue because I feel inferior to him because of how he looks, I know he could easily find someone else who would want him. But I never fell in love with him for his body either, I am not like that, I never lusted after fit men. I just fell in love with him for who he was and his eyes and his smile and his laugh. I just wish he would appreciate the good qualities in me more, I am caring and kind and a good mum to our daughter and his step-daughter when she stays. But then sometimes I feel I am the frumpy wife and wish I could be different for myself as well as him. Deep down I know he loves me because I am different to what he is used to, but sometimes I know he thinks we are too different. I am so close to telling him to find someone else if I am not good enough for him. I always tell him how much I love him and try to make him feel special and good about himself.

I Don't have experience with men, my ex hardly wanted sex at all, hardly paid any attention to me. Do other men expect the things my husband expects? Do some men anyway? Considering we have our baby I hardly ever say no to sex because I do have a good sex drive and I enjoy it, 3 times a week is usual for us, I think most men would feel happy with that and lucky to have me, makeup or not, sexy underwear or not. Am I right?

OP posts:
Wrapdress · 25/07/2015 18:02

He's making demands of you men can usually only make to prostitutes and professional girlfriends as it is a negotiated commercial relationship and not a real one. His sexual history probably includes more than just porn.

nooka · 25/07/2015 18:08

If the OP's husband is able to admit he has a problem and apart from this issue is loving and kind then I think that counseling might be an option to pursue. Although in truth it sounds as if it's really just him that needs help with his drinking and porn problem.

UseHerName · 25/07/2015 18:09

This is not at all normal op,I'm sorry

As others have said listen carefully to what he is telling you-how he behaves towards you is what he thinks of you.

I sincerely hope that he makes an effort to make sure you orgasm after all the faffing about you do for him

chocfireguard · 25/07/2015 18:15

Please leave him now and find someone who has a healthy attitude towards women.

bunny85 · 25/07/2015 19:22

My fiancé actually hates it when I have a lot of make up on, he thinks I look best without it at all (though I still do put some mascara and lipstick before going out, but very lightly really). I'd only put some make up before going to bed if I feel like dressing up and seducing him (rarely happens though), and even then more often than not I don't put any at all.

99% of the time our sex is always spontaneous (except for those times I feel like dressing up). There has never been any sort of demand as to how I should look or behave before or during it.

I really don't think it's a normal behaviour at all. I couldn't put up with it personally, especially you having a 3 month old baby, he really should appreciate you much more for caring for his baby and love you the way you are, make up or not, stockings or not! I think most of the time sex should be about showing love for one another, sometimes it's fun to make a bit of show of it, but only when you both feel up to it, not as a demanding routine! That would be also a turn off for me.

Drinking is another problem tbh. You really need to think about how to address all of these.

lavenderhoney · 25/07/2015 23:37

He sounds a fucking nightmare tbh. You've just had a baby. Both your lives have changed quite dramatically. Your sex life will too- it's not a competition. He's lucky he's in the same room, and you still find him attractive. Although I sense, quite rightly, his demands seems increasingly bizarre contrasted with the reality of a sex life with a baby in the room/ next door.

Was he like this when you were pregnant? And quite honestly, if he's a personal trainer he must meet women who are feeling like you so he should have some compassion, and realism. It's a nice idea, but after a baby your body does change and there's not really the time to fuck about with making sex a big dramatic event. Christ, can you imagine being 60 and this fuckwit demanding all sorts and necking beer at the same time?

davidburn · 27/07/2015 08:03

I think he has some kind of fetish.

you know most of men more or less have some fetish (sexual preference). some are into foot fetish, some hand fetish, some high heel fertish, some into boobs, some into legs, butts etc.

Your man seems to have costumes (pantyhose, high heel etc) or make-up fetish, without this, it is not easy for him to turn on.

If you think he is a reliable and responsible man, then why not tolerate this fetish, fetish is normal unless it causes harm.

Doing more make-up wont hurt you, is it not?

Penfold007 · 27/07/2015 08:19

So davidburn what do you 'put up with' to please your sexual partner? Actually keep that information to yourself
.

WorzelsCornyBrows · 27/07/2015 08:27

Sex in a long term relationship is about showing love. This doesn't sound like love to me. You have to wear make up, be clean, groomed. Jesus, he sounds like he's got some issues alright.

It's ok to want these things if you're having a night fulfilling fantasies or whatever, but surely he should want you however you come.

I'm not sure there's anything such thing as normal in terms of sexual relationships, but what's really important is that both people have their needs fulfilled and are happy with what goes on. This doesn't seem to be the case here. Sorry but I wouldn't put up with that shit.

kaftanlady · 27/07/2015 08:29

davidburn i've noticed you on a couple of threads now. Your lack of insight is so astounding I can't help hoping you are simply on a wind up.

WorzelsCornyBrows · 27/07/2015 08:29

Oh yes the drinking in order to have sex, that's really not normal. It seems like he really doesn't like sex.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 27/07/2015 08:35

David there is a huge distinction between indulging a partner's fetish because you love them and being harassed and berated by that partner for failing to indulge the fetish properly
Do you get that?

RagstheInvincible · 27/07/2015 08:46

As a bloke, can I just say that NONE of this is usual and having to have a drink before sex is unusual to the point of freakishness.!

SerialBox · 27/07/2015 08:47

Christ David! You are completely clueless and thoughtless twat coming onto this thread spouting that nonsense.

Did you read the OP? His "fetish" is causing harm to their relationships. It involved him belittling and berating her. He has a drink problem and a fetish his wife isn't into.

She isn't the one that has to suck it up. He does. Why? Because he is the one who wants her to make a ridiculous amount of effort everytime they have sex while he gets pissed and criticises everything she does. FUCK THAT!

bettyberry · 27/07/2015 18:24

davidburn - I have had relationships with men with fetishes,some of those pretty tame others a little out there (welly boots!? and denial), I've dated men who have a preference for white knickers some for blue.

NEVER and I mean NEVER has a single one of those men failed to perform because I wouldn't indulge their fetish. Indulging in a fetish is the cherry on the top not the be all and end all of a sexual relationship.

The OP's husband doesn't have a fetish he is just a pig of a man who is incredibly insecure. He values his wife on her looks and ability to perform for him. To do as he wishes.

To me the demands he places on her are not about make-up or looking pretty or desirable to him but about control and making him feel like a 'big man' because he has issues around his own sexuality (insecurity, not feeling enough of a man), his appearance and how others perceive him. That's why he belittles her and makes her feel worthless because, clearly, he does too.

Right now he is behaving like a grade A c*ck who really needs to deal with all of his issues - drink, insecurity and need to be in control before he loses his wife for good.

moopymoodle · 27/07/2015 20:20

Omg you poor thing. He is treating you apaulingly. I've never been told what to wear and I think he's treating you in a very controlling way. Most of the sex I have is initiated by my partner and I'm usually bare faced and in a nightie or straight out the shower. It sounds like he had an obsession with porn anx wants a performance not something shared intimately.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 27/07/2015 20:36

Jesus, what an absolute arsehole. Make up, lingerie and drinking to excess to get it up?

He's gay and he wants you to be a slave/twink/sissy. The problem for him and only him is that you're not, and he needs to fuck the fuck off to Grindr, packing his bags as he goes.

Skiptonlass · 27/07/2015 21:18

Read the op and I have to say I immediately thought 'gay' as well.

Seems like others think this too.

Anyway, absolutely not normal op, not normal at all. He's treating you appallingly.

sesamechoc · 27/07/2015 22:36

I also wonder whether he might be gay as whay he is asking is extraordinarily weird

RedXan · 28/07/2015 00:35

I am so Shock at this. I have never in my life encountered a man like this.

I am willing to bet that this attitude of his seeps into other areas of your life together and he isn't just an almighty dickhead in the bedroom.

It sounds like he has very serious issues that are actually completely separate and nothing to do with you or how you look at all.

I know you have a tiny baby, but please OP, make plans and leave this man. You can't change him and it will absolutely get worse.

aeon456 · 28/07/2015 00:55

davidburn - you said "you know most of men more or less have some fetish (sexual preference)."

"Sexual fetishism or erotic fetishism is a sexual focus on a nonliving object or non-genital body part. The object of interest is called the fetish; the person who has a fetish for that object is a fetishist. A sexual fetish may be regarded as a non-pathological aid to sexual excitement, or as a mental disorder if it causes significant psychosocial distress for the person or has detrimental effects on important areas of their life. Sexual arousal from a particular body part can be further classified as partialism."

So you are wrong.

I've had a previous partner ask me to put on makeup and a skirt before we had sex and this put me right off them as it was tantamount to saying that myself just as I am wasn't good enough.

TheDowagerCuntess · 28/07/2015 01:40

People, seriously, don't let yourselves get wound up by a total goad-merchant. It's not worth it.

Ignore him, and move on.

happyh0tel · 28/07/2015 08:24

He is selfish

He is controlling

He drinks

He makes derogatory comments about your post baby body !

He wants you to do things that you dont want to before having sex (shower, make up, clothes etc)

As the mother of his child, he should be worshipping you, not degrading you !

You are unhappy

Can you imagine another 5 or 50 years with him ?

If this is NOT what you are into, I would strongly suggest splitting

What does he do for you ?

DrMorbius · 28/07/2015 08:44

OP - Your sex life is not "normal" (conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected). There are probably thousands of readers/posters on here and I would suggest not a single one has a sex life like yours.

My husband has always had a routine about sex since we met, and that is fine. There is occasional spontaneous sex but usually We both shower and take care of ourselves, this means shaving etc and making ourselves presentable. For me after the shower he would then like me to be dressed in nice underwear, stockings/heels is a bonus for him, nice perfume, and full make-up

You need to seek help for your DH or things can only get worse. Can you imagine having to go through all those shananigans if you had 2 or 3 children??? I am not going to even attempt to de-construct your DH on ask you where is your input to your sex life. Get help.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 28/07/2015 09:05

"He's making demands of you men can usually only make to prostitutes and professional girlfriends as it is a negotiated commercial relationship and not a real one..."
Exactly what I thought Hmm

Did you manage to speak to him JaneLouiseT?

Swipe left for the next trending thread