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Fiancé revealed something the other day...

354 replies

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 20:27

Hi, I really need some advice.

I've been with my partner for 4 months and we recently got engaged. It's quick, but we feel more for each other than we ever have for anyone else and just feels 'right'.

He makes me laugh, feel safe, wanted, loved, I have three children that he is great with and he is just generally a lovely guy...perfect for me I would say.

However. The other day we were chatting about something, and he revealed that years ago he had been paid to beat people up! He was very vague and refuses to discuss it in any more detail, saying it was the past and none of my business, but obviously I feel very uncomfortable with this...he can't understand why, saying everyone else he has mentioned it to has seen his point of view "eventually" - that it was just a job to him and "premeditated, I'd never go out and beat someone up after going out on the lash or anything".

He also today revealed that "I wake up angry and go to bed angry, during the day is hard work but I can control it".
I've seen a few hints of possible...mental illness maybe...? - he gets very visibly anxious sometimes; scratching his head or arms (not hard) and seems visibly worked up, but it passes fairly quickly especially if I mention it. The other day he went shopping for me and couldn't find the cheese I had asked for, came back and said he had almost burst into tears over not being able to find this cheese. He said it's very out of character for him and his head feels 'muddled' at the moment.

On occasion he seems different, a kind of cold look in his eye and he has said that people have mentioned this before. He also said that an ex paid for private counselling for him once but it didn't help at all.

What worries me is earlier I asked if he would see his GP and try to get referred to the local mental health team to get checked over if I asked him to and he said that no, he never would as he doesn't see the need. He is "fine and able to control it" and he doesn't see the point in getting checked out, even if I feel very uncomfortable with him not getting checked over.

We were sort of arguing when this last bit was brought up so maybe he might be more willing to try and see a doctor at another time, but I am really worried about this past beating people up thing, and the fact he says he gets angry when he wakes up and goes to sleep. He says he has past issues that he thinks has caused this but I know he would never hurt me or my children at all.

I feel so happy with him, and I do trust him, feel safe, all of that. But am I right to be concerned about his past or should I just get over it and move on?

OP posts:
butterflygirl15 · 23/07/2015 20:57

bloody hell - the hills are that way >>>>>>>>>>

why on earth you are blaming this on mental health is beyond me. And just because he doesn't have a record does;t mean he is not an abuser!

Get yourself some counselling and the Freedom Programme too - fast. And get rid nd hope you aren't the next target for his uncontrollable anger.

And you cannot know someone after 4 months - have a word with yourself seriously! Your poor kids.

annandale · 23/07/2015 20:58

Justified violence?

By what?

If someone gets paid to beat people up, they spend their time with people who consider violence routine. I mean, even if I wanted a job hitting people, I'd have no idea where to look.

Don't marry him, unless you want at least one of your children to grow up considering violence to be normal.

learntoloveagain · 23/07/2015 20:58

Does he weight train and is he/was he on steroids op?

Handywoman · 23/07/2015 20:59

You've spent every hour together for the whole relationship?

The red flags keep coming!

What about your dc?

Suffocating. Unreal. Unhealthy. Wake Up OP!!

KinkyAfro · 23/07/2015 20:59

You are stupid OP, selfish and totally stupid. I just hope you see sense and get your kids out of there before it's too late.

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 21:00

Ouyrve - I know who one of his exes is...he has said I could contact her if i wanted (I asked/threatened to do it...)

The beating people up thing, he's 49. He said he did it in his late teens early twenties, before he got into security.

I feel like its a long time ago so by now he would've shown the real him to someone? I don't know. I feel an idiot :(

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MrsHathaway · 23/07/2015 21:01

My medication lowers blood pressure and reduces anxiety. I'd be surprised if anything could do one and not the other.

DrLego · 23/07/2015 21:01

Seren, I don't think going to the doctor will help this case I really strongly suggest you put yourself as a whole person & your DCs first - if you're already, perhaps very quietly, worrying about how to do this, i.e. how to stop seeing him, stop him being in your house, with you 24/7 - then this should tell you everything you need to know about how you'd be feeling in 2 years time

butterflygirl15 · 23/07/2015 21:01

Why is your self esteem so low that you think this is all you deserve?

Raasay · 23/07/2015 21:01

Ok leaving aside everything else ...(and really everything else is a huge pile of worry)

This man's moral compass is so far out of whack that he thinks it is OK to hurt other people for money.

So that tells you that he thinks it is ok to hurt other people.

What other reasons are going to be ok? A bad day, something broken by one of your children, and argument over housework or money?

He's already minimising it everyone sees his point of view eventually.

You are responsible for your children. Will you allow him to teach them that it's ok to hurt people?

Because he will.

Because he thinks it is.

He isn't reformed, he doesn't repent.

He's never been caught, but he will be eventually. Do you want to be married to a prisoner?

What if he attacks the wrong person? And is hurt? Or killed? Or they hurt your family in retaliation?

I'm sorry. I rarely say LTB. But in all conscience how can you continue to expose your children to this immoral and dangerous man?

saintlyjimjams · 23/07/2015 21:01

He cried because he couldn't find the cheese? This is not a man properly in control of his emotions - he is not stable. Crying is fine - but wait until he blows.

Get out while you can.

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 21:02

Learntolove... I haven't asked whether he was ever on steroids but I don't think he was (never mentioned it). He has said he used to go to the gym and train, and was bigger (more muscley) years ago than now, but said he "never used to be one of those massive weightlifter guys, just toned".

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UrethraFranklin1 · 23/07/2015 21:02

This is one of the many reasons you don't introduce your children to a man you've known five minutes. He's a dangerous nutjob.
Get rid of him fast and don't start dating again until you get a hold of yourself. And leave the children out of it for a lot lot longer, at the very least until you've made sure you're not with a violent loon.

Handywoman · 23/07/2015 21:02

You really don't need to contact the ex. The evidence is right before your eyes.

Just protect your kids and get away from him

IsabellaofFrance · 23/07/2015 21:03

Unless you fancy your life as some kind of Martina Cole novel, run like the bloody wind.

ovumahead · 23/07/2015 21:03

He sounds like he has strong psychopathic traits to me. At the moment he's likely got you hooked via his ability to charm. It's the anger bubbling away underneath that WILL come out at some point.

Yes, of course you can get to know someone well if you spend a lot of time together over 4 months. But what you don't get is the chance to know how they are over a longer period.

There is something not right about the speed of your engagement. That alone rings alarm bells for me. That kind of intensity cannot and will not last. You're in an unrealistic bubble at this stage of a relationship.

There are just way, way too many indicators of serious charaterological and psychological issues here. An assessment with a mental health team won't change him. It might get him help. Might. But it will be a long, long road and one where you are placing yourself and your children very much as risk.

Is he worth that?

Tequilashotfor1 · 23/07/2015 21:05

If this really isn't a troll thread then your a bloody idiot.

The only people I feel sorry for her is your kids. This man is telling you he is a criminal, he has anger issues and has already found counciling that an ex PAID for no use. And your inviting him in to your kids life.

They deserve a mother that protects them not one that gets swept away by the first phycopath she meets.

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 21:06

Saintly - no it isn't normal, he admitted that. The only reason I am trying to see it from a different point of view is not because I am desperate, or whatever else...but purely because I have anxiety and I know what a wreck I was emotionally before I got treatment.

I have a criminal record - harassment, criminal damage, assault...all relatively minor things caused by my anxiety but it's there nonetheless and maybe if his friends knew that they might tell him to leave me.
My record doesn't mean I would ever do anything like that again...

That's all.

Oh, and no I'm not worried about leaving, at all.
I've been very confident to tell him whenever I am upset, angry, whatever and never worried he would react badly, and he never has. So if I say we are done, I know he will respect that.

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Fromparistoberlin73 · 23/07/2015 21:07

Op I am very very very concerned reading this . I know people will say run like the wind and it might sound flippant. But trust me he is dangerous and damaged and he will hurt you and damage your kids too. I pray you realise and leave him

He tortured people OP. It's my beating up - it's tortur and anyone that does that has a vital link missing x

Sending strength

cozietoesie · 23/07/2015 21:07

...So if I say we are done, I know he will respect that...

Then say it. Now.

Cynara · 23/07/2015 21:09

basgetti has it spot on. If you won't see sense in order to protect yourself, for God's sake do it to protect your children. You've known this man for 4 months and you're engaged?? Even without kids I'd say you were playing with fire. Get out now and keep your children safe.

Floggingmolly · 23/07/2015 21:09

so by now he would've shown the real him to someone?. He's showing you, but you're determined not to see. Despite the fact that you have three children to protect.

Wake up, woman. There is no "justified" reason for beating someone up for money. He's a violent thug; he's making no fucking secret of that fact because he sees nothing wrong with it, and you're still trying to cling onto him??

Backforthis · 23/07/2015 21:09

I have things in the back of the fridge that have been there longer than 4 months. They're also probably less of a health hazard.

Wideopenspace · 23/07/2015 21:09

The key here is before I got treatment. You recognised an issue and fixed it.

He won't, at the moment. He might, in the future, but that is his road, it does not have to be yours, or your children's.

Does he know your history re anxiety and abuse?

learntoloveagain · 23/07/2015 21:09

I hope you're right about how he will accept you ending the relationship op. If you are together '24/7' including working with him, Im not sure it will be so easy.

If he has a violent past and anger issues at the age of 49 he's not going to change is he?

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