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Fiancé revealed something the other day...

354 replies

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 20:27

Hi, I really need some advice.

I've been with my partner for 4 months and we recently got engaged. It's quick, but we feel more for each other than we ever have for anyone else and just feels 'right'.

He makes me laugh, feel safe, wanted, loved, I have three children that he is great with and he is just generally a lovely guy...perfect for me I would say.

However. The other day we were chatting about something, and he revealed that years ago he had been paid to beat people up! He was very vague and refuses to discuss it in any more detail, saying it was the past and none of my business, but obviously I feel very uncomfortable with this...he can't understand why, saying everyone else he has mentioned it to has seen his point of view "eventually" - that it was just a job to him and "premeditated, I'd never go out and beat someone up after going out on the lash or anything".

He also today revealed that "I wake up angry and go to bed angry, during the day is hard work but I can control it".
I've seen a few hints of possible...mental illness maybe...? - he gets very visibly anxious sometimes; scratching his head or arms (not hard) and seems visibly worked up, but it passes fairly quickly especially if I mention it. The other day he went shopping for me and couldn't find the cheese I had asked for, came back and said he had almost burst into tears over not being able to find this cheese. He said it's very out of character for him and his head feels 'muddled' at the moment.

On occasion he seems different, a kind of cold look in his eye and he has said that people have mentioned this before. He also said that an ex paid for private counselling for him once but it didn't help at all.

What worries me is earlier I asked if he would see his GP and try to get referred to the local mental health team to get checked over if I asked him to and he said that no, he never would as he doesn't see the need. He is "fine and able to control it" and he doesn't see the point in getting checked out, even if I feel very uncomfortable with him not getting checked over.

We were sort of arguing when this last bit was brought up so maybe he might be more willing to try and see a doctor at another time, but I am really worried about this past beating people up thing, and the fact he says he gets angry when he wakes up and goes to sleep. He says he has past issues that he thinks has caused this but I know he would never hurt me or my children at all.

I feel so happy with him, and I do trust him, feel safe, all of that. But am I right to be concerned about his past or should I just get over it and move on?

OP posts:
Quietattheback · 23/07/2015 21:36

OP ditch him quick and get yourself into some therapy.

Abuse looks like love to you and You need to find out where and when this imprint was formed and find someone who can help you integrate it before you get into another relationship.

Right now you are teaching your children that love looks like obsession, blind trust and ignoring your instincts. Sweetheart, it's not healthy but you can teach them something different, once you've learnt it first.

MissBattleaxe · 23/07/2015 21:36

OP, you sound worryingly grateful that he loves you and you have been in an abusive relationship before. It sounds like you're in another one because that's all that you think you deserve.

Listen to the wise people on here. Four months is still the honeymoon period. You're seeing the best of him now, but all the red flags and danger signs are shouting at you. Nobody needs a relationship so badly that somebody like this will do.

You have three children and one day you will have to explain your reasons for letting him into their lives and it won't be good.

horseygeorgie · 23/07/2015 21:36

I am NOT the sort of person who immediately advises LTB; in fact I have NEVER said that on mumsnet and I've been on here for years.

But I'm saying it now. Leave him before you or your children end up hurt because I think this man sounds dangerous. This is not normal behaviour and you have children to protect, it isn't only your neck that is on the line.

He has told you what he is (God alone knows what he hasn't told you because there will be worse.) so listen to him and run.

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 21:37

Paxetum - thing is, he's had chances to flip, justifiably I think...

The other day i got angry over something (while the children were away by the way) and threw my phone full force at the wall...except I missed and it hit him in the side of the head from a few feet away. He ended up with an egg on his head and a bruise but didn't react badly at all...got up to leave, I asked him not to and he stayed, said he realised it had been an accident.

Then today, he found I had been texting my ex and arranging to meet for coffee... Purely as friends but he is paranoid about this ex as I was seeing him and this guy at the same time briefly. I said to my ex that I was only with my current partner to get over him. He read those texts last night and this morning seemed a bit quiet but insisted nothing was wrong, went on like normal but didn't give me a hug or kiss...eventually after a lot of questioning he said he had read the texts.

So why didn't he flip or seem angry at all either time?

OP posts:
TaliZorahVasNormandy · 23/07/2015 21:37

Your ex was abusive in many ways, this man does things different. So in your head (You need to work on your self esteem) you've mad what he does differently into much more than it actually is.

Basically, because he acts nicer than your ex, you are utterly convinced he's mr perfect.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 23/07/2015 21:39

So why didn't he flip or seem angry at all either time?

For ammo against you at a later date.

ErniesGhostlyGoldtops · 23/07/2015 21:41

OP. Ask yourself why his ex paid for him to have counselling?

Offred · 23/07/2015 21:42

Because he knows you are undecided about whether to stay with him or not. If he flipped now you would walk...

Or, he actually is ok...

However, you threw a phone and it hit him?! He forgave it as an accident - no you threw a phone and it hit him, you may not have meant that but it certainly isn't acceptable behaviour.

I think it's really weird and unhealthy that you spend so much time together. I think it's really controlling that he read your phone and texted your ex. I think the fact he thinks his pet behaviour is ok and that he has rage he has to control and won't get help is really, really bad. I also think you are nowhere near safe to be dating again too.

Wideopenspace · 23/07/2015 21:43

Seren

So you are also dealing with anger to the point of flipping.

And he 'read your texts'

And you weren't upfront with him about an seeing an ex who you were with when you had an affair with him.

Jees.

DrLego · 23/07/2015 21:43

He'll use those texts against you later

I'm a bit concerned you threw your phone at the wall with such force though. Are either of you okay? can you please re-centre your children as your priority? an appropriate man will come along if that's what you want, but neither your ex nor this guy sound at all appropriate.

Offred · 23/07/2015 21:44

The thing is, there is literally no reason for you to stay in a relationship with someone you have concerns about. If after 4 months you are unsure whether he is safe to be around or not then the appropriate thing to do is leave him not propose.

AradiaWitch · 23/07/2015 21:44

Op I understand how devastated you must feel right now reading all these replies. You thought you had met The One, that finally you had met a man who was going to treat you right. The fact that you have been in abusive relationships before doesn't surprise me. The problem is, as others have said, your radar is massively off as a result of this. You do actually already know that everyone is right. Your instincts are telling you that he is dangerous, that's why you posted isn't it?

You HAVE to listen to them. When you are in an abusive relationship you learn to ignore your instincts and that little voice inside you.

We are able to be objective and to read the reality of the situation without the complications of the emotional attachment muddying the waters. Your OP is terrifying. He isn't violent to you. Yet. He treats you wonderfully. For now. That anger? That will one day be turned on you, I promise you.

I know it seems like a loss at the moment, but OP please believe me when I say that you have the benefit of all of our experiences. We have lived your future with this man. We have ignored our instincts and lived with the consequences.

Please read this link:
www.psychotherapy.com.au/fileadmin/site_files/pdfs/SharkCage.pdf

It may be hard to end this now. It will be far, far harder later on. I know you think he will have no problem with you ending it. I honesty, truly think you need to err on the side of caution here. Please be careful.

ChilliAndMint · 23/07/2015 21:44

Sweetheart, I don't mean to sound cruel but you are a sitting duck.

Abusive men can see your vulnerability and play on that.

As previous posters have said you need to get yourself sorted before you even contemplate entering another relationship.

I'm sure if you saw your GP they would refer you for counselling..CBT is excellent BTW.

DrLego · 23/07/2015 21:45

he is paranoid about this ex
he read the texts
etc
with you 24/7
= completely alarming
& no throwing a phone hard at a wall or a head is not appropriate or normal behaviour, while the issue has arisen.

FolkGirl · 23/07/2015 21:46

Seriously, you need to end this and get counselling for your own issues.

And I say that as someone with their own relationship/self esteem/history of abuse issues.

You have got this all wrong. You just can't see it at the moment. If you get youself sorted, you will be horrified that you let this man in.

Floggingmolly · 23/07/2015 21:46

You have serious issues of your own, op, above and beyond this man Hmm
Why are you texting your ex telling him your current relationship is for the sole purpose of getting over him??
Car crash...

DrLego · 23/07/2015 21:48

why did you propose? have you considered counselling just for you? I have had it, & one session in particular was tremendously revealing about why I behaved in ways that I did. Like a jigsaw clicking into place. I'd really recommend some time on your own, no boyfriends/relationships/fiancees, until you're happy and whole yourself.

Wideopenspace · 23/07/2015 21:49

Surely it was more like a brick slotting into a wall, DrLego..

Nannylookingforafamily · 23/07/2015 21:50

You don't know him.

A reason why I wouldn't introduce a stranger to my children so quickly

MissBattleaxe · 23/07/2015 21:50

I think it's really controlling that he read your phone and texted your ex

No, The OP texted the ex, the OP's fiance, read the texts.

OP- neither of you sound like you should be in a relationship right now. You're texting your ex and saying that you are with this new guy to get over him ( the ex). If that's true why are you with the new guy? If it's not true why are you dangling carrots in front of your ex?

I think you should take a break from relationships, concentrate on your kids and sort your head out.

gobbynorthernbird · 23/07/2015 21:50

So you're as bad as him? Violent and with poor temper control. I feel really sorry for your DC. In fact, I'm hoping you're a troll.

FolkGirl · 23/07/2015 21:50

And while we're at it...

You threw a phone at the wall close enough to him to hit him in the head 'accidentally'. I've been in abusive relationships. I've seen those sorts of 'accidents'.

You were seeing him and your ex at the same time.

He's paranoid. That always turns out well in violent men. And in case you missed it, I'm being sarcastic.

He reads your texts.

Are your children at school?

Nannylookingforafamily · 23/07/2015 21:51

How do you know he wouldn't hurt you or your children?

You have known him 4 months, you have just found out a massive thing about his past, u don't know him!!!

Nannylookingforafamily · 23/07/2015 21:53

Just because his crb is clear, this doesn't mean anything, it just means he was never caught!!!

FolkGirl · 23/07/2015 21:54

I mean of school age. Not currently at school.

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