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Fiancé revealed something the other day...

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Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 20:27

Hi, I really need some advice.

I've been with my partner for 4 months and we recently got engaged. It's quick, but we feel more for each other than we ever have for anyone else and just feels 'right'.

He makes me laugh, feel safe, wanted, loved, I have three children that he is great with and he is just generally a lovely guy...perfect for me I would say.

However. The other day we were chatting about something, and he revealed that years ago he had been paid to beat people up! He was very vague and refuses to discuss it in any more detail, saying it was the past and none of my business, but obviously I feel very uncomfortable with this...he can't understand why, saying everyone else he has mentioned it to has seen his point of view "eventually" - that it was just a job to him and "premeditated, I'd never go out and beat someone up after going out on the lash or anything".

He also today revealed that "I wake up angry and go to bed angry, during the day is hard work but I can control it".
I've seen a few hints of possible...mental illness maybe...? - he gets very visibly anxious sometimes; scratching his head or arms (not hard) and seems visibly worked up, but it passes fairly quickly especially if I mention it. The other day he went shopping for me and couldn't find the cheese I had asked for, came back and said he had almost burst into tears over not being able to find this cheese. He said it's very out of character for him and his head feels 'muddled' at the moment.

On occasion he seems different, a kind of cold look in his eye and he has said that people have mentioned this before. He also said that an ex paid for private counselling for him once but it didn't help at all.

What worries me is earlier I asked if he would see his GP and try to get referred to the local mental health team to get checked over if I asked him to and he said that no, he never would as he doesn't see the need. He is "fine and able to control it" and he doesn't see the point in getting checked out, even if I feel very uncomfortable with him not getting checked over.

We were sort of arguing when this last bit was brought up so maybe he might be more willing to try and see a doctor at another time, but I am really worried about this past beating people up thing, and the fact he says he gets angry when he wakes up and goes to sleep. He says he has past issues that he thinks has caused this but I know he would never hurt me or my children at all.

I feel so happy with him, and I do trust him, feel safe, all of that. But am I right to be concerned about his past or should I just get over it and move on?

OP posts:
Wideopenspace · 23/07/2015 20:40

Lots and lots of very, very abusive and dangerous men 'do lots' for their partners.

Aggression may be born of an underlying MH condition, but if he is refusing to engage with support around this (his right, everyone has their own journey with MH) then you need to ask yourself if you are happy making the decision for your children to deal with his MH condition.

The fact that he picked 'beating people up' out of all the possible career paths does not suggest his core stance is one of anti violence.

Destinysdaughter · 23/07/2015 20:40

THIS is who he is. Please read this carefully. You may not see the signs yet but they will come out over time. PLEASE DO NOT MARRY THIS MAN.

www.drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/IdentifyingLosers.html

Iflyaway · 23/07/2015 20:40

I didn't get further than "he got paid to beat people up"...

Run like the wind. You owe it to your children. And of course yourself. Your children are your priority, not some fuck-wit abuser.

Engaged after knowing him for 4 months?! That's him following the script exactly. Yes, it is hard bringing up children alone but A LOT BETTER than living in fear and control of a man who is o.k. about beating people up...
that'll be you and your kids before long.

Red flags all over this. Please google these types and see their M.O. (Modus Operandi), it's how they work.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 23/07/2015 20:41

You've got children and you've moved in a man you barely know, who it turns out is a violent thug who feels angry all the time?

Fucking hell woman, are you stupid? Why would you introduce a man to your kids within 4 months let alone be making him their new step dad? And these are more than red flags. Run a mile or risk doing serious harm to your kids by sticking with this guy.

SanityClause · 23/07/2015 20:41

His DSB means he's never been caught, not that he didn't do it.

Handywoman · 23/07/2015 20:41

OP you have dc to think of and you BARELY KNOW the man.

Except you now know enough to run as fast as you can in the opposit direction.... The mask is beginning to slip. Can you see that?

That anger will one day be directed at you. Or your lovely dc. Imagine that.

He is capable of awful, awful things. He is angry and violent.

I would be very afraid and would not want to ever have anything to do with him. Please listen to your gut and get you and your dc the hell away from this man.

I would call Women's Aid for advice on getting out of this relationship. This alone could put you in danger.

learntoloveagain · 23/07/2015 20:41

Oh that's funny, the guy I was seeing who said he would kill someone in the pub was a doorman/security/bodyguard.

Nolim · 23/07/2015 20:43

Sorry I forgot to say, he works in the security industry

Unless he worked in the s&m industry or in extreme secret agent training i dont see how getting paid to beat ppl could be legal.

Duckdeamon · 23/07/2015 20:43

He sounds like bad news. Please don't blame violence and anger on a mental health issue, that's offensive to people with MH problems.

What were you thinking getting engaged and involving him in your DCs' lives so soon after starting the relationship? Especially if you've had bad relationships before and since having the DC - all the more reason to take things slowly.

MrsHathaway · 23/07/2015 20:43

If he used to beat people up and yet has a clear DBS then he isn't a mindless thug. He's far more dangerous than that - he knows how to beat you up so it doesn't show, or how to intimidate you so you don't report it.

Three children already? RUUUUUUUUUUUUUN.

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 20:43

Sorry I am missing questions as this thread is moving so fast...sanity clause, no the beating people up thing came about a few days ago as part of a discussion, not an argument.

As I say he has worked in the security industry for the last twenty years, has a clean DBS record that I have seen with my own eyes, and as for introducing him to my children - we volunteer together so he already knew my children well through work before we got together.

I see what you're all saying, I just don't know...

OP posts:
CalmYourselfTubbs · 23/07/2015 20:43

you're fucking nuts.
and you barely know him.
run.
get the hell out of there.

BolshierAyraStark · 23/07/2015 20:43

You have been with him 4 months, you know nothing about this man apart from what he has told you & what he has told you isn't good. He used to beat people up for money, what a vile person he sounds-I fail to see how people have come round to his way of thinking, other thsn the obvious of course...
You do whatever you think is best but please be warned, he is a nasty piece of work & you can never know that he wont hurt you or the DC.

KevinKnowsImMiserableNow · 23/07/2015 20:44

You have 3 children get yourself and them and away from him.

Four months is nothing.

Get away.

KetchupIsNearlyAVegetable · 23/07/2015 20:44

Run.

Run to the Freedom Programme because your danger radar is malfunctioning. Badly.

ShebaShimmyShake · 23/07/2015 20:44

The fact he beat people in cold blood for money is worse than if he'd done it as a crime of passion. God almighty, run like the wind. Violent men don't change.

Duckdeamon · 23/07/2015 20:44

Knowing your children through his work is totally different to knowing them as your boyfriend, and not a reason for him to be spending much time with them at such an early stage.

DrLego · 23/07/2015 20:45

run for the hills ... red flags aplenty, sorry. (I wonder if he's on medication?) I also think sounds like thinly veiled threat. Deeply unpleasant feeling about post sorry, I think you'd be doing the best for you and DC if you don't get further involved with this character. You're lucky to find these things out relatively early on.

DrLego · 23/07/2015 20:46

medication comment not meant in any derogotary way about anyone at all, but wondered if the itching etc could be a side effect. It's not relevant to his character though regardless. Get out OP.

Serenstar83 · 23/07/2015 20:46

Nolim - no he worked as a close protection agent/bodyguard in the music industry and I think at that time he had friends who had been wronged or whatever and called on him to do something about it. That doesn't sit right at all with me but I guess people do it...

Oh and...I asked him to marry me :( this was before his revelations...

OP posts:
KevinKnowsImMiserableNow · 23/07/2015 20:46

"has a clean DBS record that I have seen with my own eyes"

Which means he's just not been caught for the CRIMES THAT HE HAS TOLD YOU HE'S COMMITTED.

Floggingmolly · 23/07/2015 20:47

You sound like a completely deluded fool. God love your children; you appear to have no survival instinct whatsoever.

SycamoreMum · 23/07/2015 20:47

DD's father was in that 'line of work'.Hmm I have no intention of allowing him anywhere near us ever again.

Run like the wind OP.

NameChange30 · 23/07/2015 20:47

This:
"Run to the Freedom Programme because your danger radar is malfunctioning. Badly."
PLEASE do the Freedom Programme, OP.

Iflyaway · 23/07/2015 20:47

Yes Destiny thanks for that link. I knew of him but couldn't think of the website...

I got the info from this (excellent) site.

www.lovefraud.com/

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