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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

369 replies

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

OP posts:
Destinysdaughter · 22/07/2015 07:55

This man is horrid on EVERY level. If you stay with him, you're setting yourself up for years of misery. Your last post in particular, the way he regards women is chilling, I know you say you're lonely but this man just isn't worth it! Do something good for you and get rid of him. You will meet someone else who will cherish you like you deserve eventually, but this man will just grind you down and make your self esteem even worse.

Crosbybeach · 22/07/2015 07:58

You don't come across as money obsessed, but as someone who is trying to manage in difficult circumstances.

Back to the point, you sound more like his landlady than girlfriend, but he isn't even paying rent. He doesn't sound like a catch and you could do better, or, would actually be better off on your own.

He's not necessarily a bad person, but not what you need in your life. That's ok, tell him by text, change the locks, delete his number and move on.

CalleighDoodle · 22/07/2015 08:05

Change locks. Next time he contacts you just politely explain this relationship is not for you. Block his number. Tell whoever set you up they owe you bigtime!

demoska1 · 22/07/2015 08:14

Run for the hills my love. You and your dc deserve so much more. I have been there and made a fool of myself for 2.5 years and I so regret it. The lovely Mr Right is waiting around the corner for you!!!

moopymoodle · 22/07/2015 08:15

Never mind cock lodger. Cheeky bastard springs to mind. He's living at yours without supporting the household. Wasting money on a lavish lifestyle then claiming poverty. I'd be furious!

ChorusLine69 · 22/07/2015 08:18

He just doesn't sound like a nice, caring man to have a future with. Doesn't sound like he sees this as a partnership, he sounds pretty selfish. It sounds like you are having a tough time trying to make ends meet as it is, and I can imagine it's very hard work . I think you deserve better and I think you probably already know that deep down.

Give yourself the chance to meet someone more caring and supportive x

OTheHugeManatee · 22/07/2015 08:26

The more you post the more he sounds really, really unpleasant - a stingy, grabby, manipulative woman-hating prick who expects women to subsidise him and then despises them for it. Change the locks and get rid.

SanityClause · 22/07/2015 08:27

If/as doesn't like women, that includes you.

Imustgodowntotheseaagain · 22/07/2015 08:28

He sounds awful. How dare he text you to say he's pissed away spent all his money on going out so you'll have to have a 'quiet weekend'! He knows you're skint and this is just rubbing your face in it.

Annarose2014 · 22/07/2015 08:32

Change the locks. I know you can scarce afford it but if he loves the London life so much he'll definately chance his arm.

At least you'll have the security of knowing he can't let himself in at 4am after a night out with his mates.

Ugh. He's no prize.

HermioneWeasley · 22/07/2015 08:42

Sounds like he hates any woman who's not a doormat.

Bin him OP, you deserve better

TheChandler · 22/07/2015 08:43

Just dump him OP. You don't like him much, he doesn't like you much, whats the point?

I would say though that you are trying to go about this relationship in the wrong way. Trying to force some kind of financial arrangement of living together with someone who obviously isn't willing, and who (however little you think of it) has their own place isn't really the way to do things. It should be a mutual decision (as should his staying over for longer periods).

And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway.

Getting someone else to pay your rent is quite a big deal. The more logical way to do things is not to have him staying there so often, or move in officially together, not just ask for contributions to your rent. Can you imagine how badly that would work - you constantly asking for small contributions to your rent? It needs to be some formal arrangement if you want to go down that road.

I also don't think its too relevant how little or how much he pays for his own accommodation. It isn't what gives you the right to money from him. You have only been together for a year.

But anyway, why not just solve your problem by dumping him? As you really don't seem to like him much at all.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/07/2015 08:43

EVen if he's not a complete cocklodger yet, he's certainly a skinflint where YOU are concerned, but not where he is, so that makes him a selfish tosser.

Look ahead - suppose you were to stay with him, get married, have children - he'd be the sort of man who keeps all his own wages for himself, and makes you pay for the children out of yours. You'd also be paying strict halves on bills and mortgage, regardless of disparity in income; he'd be the one with spare cash to splash away on whatever he wanted, while you'd be counting pennies at the end of the month, trying to hold it all together. And that's only assuming he actually keeps earning - if he left the forces, he might decide to go back into education, while you kept him.

Not a pretty picture, is it. So sack him off now for being a selfish, tight bastard.

Twinklestein · 22/07/2015 08:49

You sound great OP.

He's not just a cocklodger he's a deep, dyed in the wool misogynist, and a dreadful, dreadful person. An arsehole of the highest order.

His tightness is the least of it frankly.

He has a massive, massive problem with women.

He needs to be gone this weekend.

I think you should do the Freedom Programme

Please don't ever let anyone this vile near you or your daughter ever again. xx

Roussette · 22/07/2015 08:50

God, he sounds awful and I rarely post saying that. He is a tightwad and that will never change, plus every post you write, he just gets worse and worse. You sound absolutely lovely and a person who could do far far better.

His views on women are dreadful, I don't think he actually likes women because he thinks they are all either freeloaders, posh or sluts. I knew someone with almost identical views on women. He hated his mother too and was a deeply unpleasant bully. Those views will never change, they are ingrained in someone.

You are not money obsessed at all OP. You are slowly realising how tight he is. See if you can find out his Forces grade and there will be someone on here who can work out what he earns, I think you may be very surprised.

I would sit him down and say - ok, this is my income and here are my outgoings. I am left with £XXX every month. Now... I have researched what you probably earn and what your probable outgoings are. This means that you have ten times as much disposable income than me.. This means you have been freeloading off me for a long time and that is going to change.

(That'll see him off I hope).

crispycookie · 22/07/2015 08:51

Mugonhead I am a single mother of two children (7 and 5) and I just dumped a partner of 1.5 years (obviously not DC's dad). We had a lot of problems but one of the biggest ones I had with him was his attitude towards money. He was a single dad with one child who did not live with him. He also had expensive tastes and completely overspends though he was very generous with me and the kids. I just couldn't see a future with us as his money priorities were so screwed (always wanting to buy the best, he spent £600 on a Arctic coat which was completely unsuitable for London weather). He also accused me of being 'obsessed with money' as I was careful with money. And I told him that I have two DCs I have to support in London, which is not easy so I know where you are coming from! Am so relieved when I finally got rid. I protected my boys through all these and they were fine. But never again I say! Onwards and upwards with being single!

SylvanianCaliphate · 22/07/2015 08:53

So sorry to say this OP Flowers

He is a professional cock lodgerSad some wankers unscrupulous single soldiers see this as a kind of sport.

Find a milf, semi shack up, don't pay a penny and just abuse all the privileges that come with her.

He is relying on your fears as a single parent, to try and maintain or create a family unit for dc, to cloud your judgment.

You were, are, will be just fine on your own fuck him off and be much more sceptical next time.

LTB

Flowers
FeckTheMagicDragon · 22/07/2015 08:55

He really does not like women at all does he?
He sounds like an entitled, selfish cocklodger.
And he's also manipulating your behaviour and reactions. Shutting you down with angry responses to reasonable objections. Everything he says he hates about women = if you do this I will hate you. It's a fo of control.
Please dump him. Preferably from a great height.

FenellaFellorick · 22/07/2015 08:56

he sounds horrendous. He actually sounds like he hates women. If I were you, I would get out.

I don't actually think him paying 50/50 is a problem. Nobody has the right to be subbed. But that is what HE is wanting when he weekends at yours - extra electric, water, etc. Those are costs you are bearing. He should at least pay for the extra it costs you to have him there.

But, if you do the wise thing, and get rid of him, that won't be an issue.

He has told you very clearly that he is not a good man. Be sensible and listen.

moreshitandnofuckingredemption · 22/07/2015 09:08

He sounds horrible Sad

tilliebob · 22/07/2015 09:15

Hell OP there are red flags right through this thread. When you are close to a situation it's hard to see things clearly. Try reading the thread as if you were an outsider, as we are.

Dump him, on your terms, and get that bloody key back or get your locks changed Confused

Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 09:20

TheChandler- ok I get where you're coming from. But that's just it, I want things to be more mutual. At the moment and since we started dating basically, he has been a staple at mine every weekend. I can't remember him even waiting to be invited except the first time. Someone else with a similar experience on the thread put it this way: that their guy had "moved in without her consent"... That's how it is really. As in, it goes without saying that he will be at mine every weekend. I can't make plans with other friends a couple of weekends in a row or he will get upset that I'm not making the effort or leaving him to entertain himself (even though if we both had our respective places nearby, I could do this- basically the weekends are not open, because he counts on being at mine and it's always been that way.) As we have only been together a year like you said, this feels like him assuming he has the right to my london place whenever he is free- and he is there without fail whenever that is- which in a relatively young relationship puts pressure on me as it just feels like I'm providing him with a second home. Yes he has his own place but he has to stay there for work and he literally never spends any free time there. It's a Which maybe I would feel better about if he actually was dying to spend time with me properly, but every weekend he is coming and has some other plans which he is able to do by basing himself out of my flat. That's very convenient for him. He doesn't have to commit to an army lifestyle of living in sometimes crap locations but he also doesn't have to commit to expensive london (or me really.. Despite him counting on the regular availability of a London base, sex, female company and unlimited use of my facilities.)

I'm not a gold digger. I have broached with him that we make my flat, "our" flat and he can move stuff in (rather than just bringing a load every weekend) and then everything is simple, but he refuses as he implies I'm looking to be kept by him, and that he doesn't need/want a second place.

I don't know- maybe i am being unreasonable, maybe I am seeing this all wrong. I know technically he has his own place. I know technically he comes to see me because he is my boyfriend. I know technically it's too soon for me to expect more. But equally, I feel taken for a ride and used, and unless we get married this is very likely To continue indefinitely because those "technical" points I just outlined.

OP posts:
TyrannosaurusBex · 22/07/2015 09:25

Hmmm...I can't help wondering how he describes this arrangement to his mates.

Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 09:29

Just read back my last post and I worry I do sound so money obsessed and mean. I hate the fact this is on my mind so much, I know it's not right and maybe he really is just coming every weekend because he really wants to see me. But other stuff adds up and it doesn't feel like that, if I felt loved and like we were in an early stage of a great relationship, then I wouldn't even be posting. Maybe I have him all wrong and I need to appreciate what I have. I can't even really remember what normal non abusive type relationships are like hence why I posted as I said in my op I don't really trust my judgement. I was never trying to say I want him to pay my rent and fund my lifestyle. I'm a proud person and I work really hard for me and dc, I've never had a guy spoil me and I don't know if I would even feel ok with it if they wanted to.

Thanks posters for your kind words too, and I am mulling over all the advice now dc is at nursery!

OP posts:
Hemlockinthegarden · 22/07/2015 09:29

If his outgoings consist of his army accommodation costs and 1 hours train journey to yours in London (presumably with a travel warrant or off peak ticket of £20ish), then he must have a lot of disposable cash.

He''s treating your place as a free London crash pad with shagging on tap.

I would suggest he is a "gold-card member" of the cocklodgers club, army branch.