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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

369 replies

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

OP posts:
FriendofBill · 21/07/2015 23:52

He is taking the piss.

The longer you tolerate it, the harder it will be to extract yourself.

Seriously OP, get away.
A simple text 'this arrangement is not working for me, good riddance luck'

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 23:59

Thanks flipflop that's really nice to hear. I have some family support for dc which I am really lucky for but yes as any single parent in London knows it's not easy! My dc is at the age where she is starting to attach to people a lot more and that's another thing that worries me about pursuing a potentially bad relationship long term. I hate the idea I am being taken for a fool. I get quite sad thinking that may be the case, I work a lot and don't go out really so I worry sometimes that I'll be alone forever if this doesn't work out! Tonight he told me over text he wanted to have a cheap weekend because he's spent loads on stag dos and drinks lately. But his version of a cheap weekend is to go to the cinema - and I know and he knows that I won't be expecting him to pay for us both, and he's never offered. If I say I can't afford it we just won't go. Which is ok by me, I'm used to nights in and I won't have to sort babysitting.. But even for something like that which for his standards is pretty cheap, he would forgo rather than treat me for once! He did take me for a meal on my bday but it was a restaurant he had been wanting to try, not really my kind of food, and he did gripe about the cost anyway. God I'm a mug!

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Changeasgoodasis · 22/07/2015 00:00

He sounds very selfish (not because he doesn't pay for things but because of everything else) and is not helping you feel good about yourself. I'm intrigued too about what he does with his income, gambling problem? Supporting a child/family elsewhere? Big debts?

HappenstanceMarmite · 22/07/2015 00:04

He has no respect for you whatsoever. Get rid.

Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 00:05

Burnttoast - wow I didn't know that. I thought £150 was amazingly cheap, I couldn't imagine lower. I think he pays for his own food but he says it's super cheap.

Changeasgood- he has no dc, we have mutual friends so I'm sure of that. He just paid off a small credit card, no other debt- his GPs put him through uni. He also got a big, we are talking several thousand payout for an injury a couple of years ago. He has made references to being able to buy a new Audi in cash if he wanted to! So I don't think he actually is hard up, it's more like that's what he says to me...

OP posts:
HowD · 22/07/2015 00:10

You are still focusing on money. Confused

The guy is dumping his bags, getting ready for a night out with his mates when you stay at home then he wants you to keep the bed warm, have sex with him when he is finished having fun.

He is not into you and is using you.

Whatsforsupper · 22/07/2015 00:17

No, I don't think you're obsessed with money.

Yes, I think he is using you, from what you've posted I am actually upset for you that you're being treated so badly.

What exactly do you get from this relationship? You know, being alone with a young child can and does test the best of people. Please, don't think you have to settle for someone as tight as this fucker.

Honestly, don't continue this you deserve so much more:)

CalleighDoodle · 22/07/2015 00:20

He is a jackass. He is using you. Ltb.

Londonmummy01 · 22/07/2015 00:22

Mug - I'm scared out how familiar you op sounds. I didn't know there was a title for it. Gosh where have I been...

Changeasgoodasis · 22/07/2015 00:27

Perhaps ask yourself, if you lived in the middle of nowhere in an uncomfortable place, how often do you think he'd be coming to see you and spend time with you?

Please don't stay with him for fear of being alone, no good ever comes of that.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 00:29

Oh dear
He's totally taking advantage
Who gives one hour notice of coming round?
Get rid.

fourflights · 22/07/2015 00:29

I think he likes you, but part of the appeal is the convenience of it all.

Without you his expenses will rocket. Git.

Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 00:30

Whatsforsupper- maybe it sounds sad but I guess I get physical contact, someone at least saying nice stuff and making me feel like im not an undateable who will be single forevermore, company and someone to talk to (albeit infrequently!) but now I ask myself is that worth being used for? I know something is wrong hence my op. But I'm scared, I don't even trust my instincts anymore.

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Cloudhowe63 · 22/07/2015 00:30

You deserve so much better,OP. Please don't settle for this. He's a thoughtless misogynist at best. His behaviour is downright disrespectful.

fourflights · 22/07/2015 00:31

Did you meet online OP?

Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 00:32

Achieve- I once put up a mild fuss about him giving no notice about turning up. He was furious with me and said he is too busy to give more notice. If I question his MO he gets angry and it starts a huge fight so I don't really anymore.

OP posts:
Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 00:33

Four flights - no we didn't. Mutual friends.

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CalleighDoodle · 22/07/2015 00:34

Mug that last post ALONE is enough. You need to move on from him. He is not a nice person. Well, he is certainly not nice to you.

pinkyredrose · 22/07/2015 00:37

I think HowD is focused on money not OP.

OP what would he do if you asked him to sort food at the weekends when he's there? Or would he just expect you to have fix in paid for by the faeries?

pinkyredrose · 22/07/2015 00:39

Christ OP next time he says he'll be there in an hour say it's too bad, you're already out for the night m

fourflights · 22/07/2015 00:39

He's not a keeper, that's for sure.

Changeasgoodasis · 22/07/2015 00:40

Mug - your post about his anger and your giving up standing up for yourself for a quiet life certainly seems a red flag to me.

I'm starting to think that this doesn't sound too fair on your DD either, this man erratically coming and going into her home as he pleases.

IfNotNowThenWhen · 22/07/2015 00:41

Obviously he is a cocklodger. I know being a lone parent is tough and can be lonely, but don't sacrifice every last drop of your self respect just to have "someone ".
This man is not making your life better in any way, other than being an occasional warm body. And how dare he class your flat as home, and stay there when he wants a night out with his mates when he is contributing not a penny!
And you really shouldn't have to ask him to, he should realise things are tight for you,and if he cares about you,that should matter to him.
I am a lone parent too. My boyfriend has more money than me and when we go out I always assund we go Dutch, but if he suggest somewhere bit posh he knows I can't afford it, and he always says "on me" and I don't mind because I can tell he likes to take me out and doesn't resent it. Similarly he often comes over to mine, brings ingredients and cooks us dinner, just because he likes to cook and it makes him happy to feed me Grin getting fat
You deserve that kind of treatment, not some half arsed selfish penny pinching no mark.
Get rid. Find what you really deserve.

NickiFury · 22/07/2015 00:42

I wish people would stop saying the OP is obsessed with money. She clearly isn't, though it sounds like HE is, what with his ensuring that she asks for and expects nothing because otherwise she's be one of those grabby women he's convinced are lurking on every corner. Her having to think about and defend that accusation is also taking the focus of the fact that she's being treated like crap on a massive scale.

Please dump him OP. You're getting precisely nothing out of this relationship, financially or otherwise.

Changeasgoodasis · 22/07/2015 00:42

Sorry to call you Mug, picked it from your username without thinking. I think you should change your posting name to something more complimentary to yourself! You're no mug, finding work, supporting a DC but you do seem to not have very high expectations of being treated well.