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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

369 replies

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

OP posts:
DisillusionedGoat · 29/07/2015 00:00

Smile @ lock changeSmileSmile Smile

Hopefully you'll soon start to feel angry at him. He used you ruthlessly

DisillusionedGoat · 29/07/2015 00:03

Take the very best care of yourself and your daughter. You're worthy of being treated with kindness, respect and warmth. At the bare minimum. Seriously, you do.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/07/2015 00:07

So sorry your DD has been sick, I do hope she's better now? You don't need that on top of everything else, but at least it has sharpened your focus on how little he actually cares about either of you :(

Glad you're changing the locks and getting rid of him, you'll be so much happier when he's gone! You might not even need to break up with him at this rate, just never speak to him again! Grin

Look after yourself though ThanksWineCake

FriendofBill · 29/07/2015 00:37

You will settle down a bit when locks are changed. In a few weeks and months you will wonder how you ever tolerated it.

Start to structure your time now, get enrolled on the freedom programme, look into gingerbread or similar parenting group, spend time and energy giving to yourself and DD.

Look on net mums meet a mum boards.

Look at special interest 'meet ups'

Try childcare.co.uk for babysitters, I have used a few from there which have been fine and reasonable compared to other minding services.

Keep posting, read around MN, it will help you no end!
Always someone around.

Very well done for holding your position.
Roll on Thursday.
Get secure.

Roussette · 29/07/2015 07:38

Let him sulk. Hope that he doesn't contact you again. Unfortunately he will. At that point, that is when to send him packing with one very definite text.

Personally, I wouldn't contact him at the moment. Wait until he makes a move. Then send a text. It has to be very clear. Only do this if he contacts you; Well done on the locks.

"I wish to end our relationship and I do not want to see you again. I will not read or reply to any communication from you"

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/07/2015 08:31

As above, but with the added rider "if you pester me or continually harass me via any medium, I will report you to the police for harassment"

DON'T tell him you'll report him to his CO - but you can hold that one in hand in case he does start to pester you. I say DON'T tell him because it will give him a heads-up and he might tell his CO that you're a mad stalker before you get a chance to talk to them; but keep it as an option.

SylvanianCaliphate · 29/07/2015 10:04

Well done lass Smile
Keep your line he will expect you to wobble and when you don't he may give you a sob story, posted to dangerous place etc.

Don't fall for it.

If he was a decent man he would treat you so much better Flowers

If you feel at all uneasy you can call his CO or 2IC of his unit, not to get him in trouble but to reassure yourself and as Thumb said give him superior a brief shot across the bow first

"Hi I'm Mugo your soldier Tosspot and I have broken up and he has started being an arse I would really appreciate you keeping him busy for a couple of weekends to let him cool off if at all possible thanks"

Most CO are well versed in how a sheltered entitled squaddie can be perceived as intimidating so they will jump at the chance to avoid schlepping down to your local nick to get Tosspot out of the cells on a Sunday morning because he got drunk and shouty Hmm

Trust me, they will believe you and won't be even slightly fazed Smile
my DP had the misfortune to be duty IC when two married squaddies had a tiff and ended up with a broken nose from trying to step in when the female took offence at her laundry being critiqued

Above all don't let his bluster worry you, you are worth more.

lottiegarbanzo · 29/07/2015 10:17

Well done you!

Hope your dd is much better soon. Then you can start to have some fun!

Mugonhead · 29/07/2015 10:30

thanks guys, I know you are right. i wil def keep that in mind about the CO. To be honest its good that it turned out this way because like pp have said, it shows up his true colours even more. I stlll sort of feel the niggling thing at the back of my mind saying "you should apologise, you started the fight, its up to you to make the first move so why should he contact you" but I know thats just because its exactly what HE would say to me. I am always the one to reach out after a fight, i guess thats whats enabled him to carry on with the status quo. At the very least i wish he had checked my dd was ok but i guess thats just me wanting him to be the guy he is not. My best guess is that he's chatting up one of his exes to be the new cocklodgings. shockingly, his ex who he cheated on for 3 months still has no idea (he was very proud of that) and so she still thinks he's a good guy... i think she lives in London so she may well be his next port of call.

WHY AND HOW are some guys so entitled, manipulative and absolutely ruthless?! i cant get my head round it... it's scary.

OP posts:
mochindu · 29/07/2015 13:59

Flowers to you, and Wine to whichever poor woman ends up being his next cocklandlady.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/07/2015 14:23

You, lovey, have had a Mug removal operation. You need a new User name.

Star
Atenco · 29/07/2015 14:27

Just think what you have got away from, OP (new username please!). Just the idea of having to deal with his friends for ever and ever would make me lose the will to live, let alone his treatment of you.

notrocketscience · 29/07/2015 15:33

Every fibre of my being has been screaming at you "get out, get out". When I saw you were changing the locks I felt like doing somersaults.

You are worth so much more and in time you will realise what a lucky escape youv'e had when you get rid.

Ditto all the comments of military men. Mine was Royal Marine and exactly the same type as army. They boast of shagging the ugliest, the fattest, the oldest...they cheat and cover for each other and openly applaud it...the honest ones exist but are as rare as rocking horse poo.

You hang in there girl, I see a lot of support from some very kind ladies on here. (Exactly why THEY don't like MN because it does provide a support network where you can say anything and someone will help and advise to the best of their ability). And btw you ROCK. X

DrMorbius · 29/07/2015 16:06

notrocketscience - I see a lot of support from some very kind ladies on here .......and men Smile

notrocketscience · 29/07/2015 16:09

DrMorbius - of course! I wasn't meaning to be sexist...

tilliebob · 29/07/2015 18:27

SO pleased you are changing the locks! Good for you staying strong and not caving in and trying to talk him around. What a tool!

BerylStreep · 29/07/2015 19:49

Next step is to hide him on FB and whatsapp so you don't see what he is up to.

FriendofBill · 29/07/2015 20:15

When you get the locks changed you could block him on those apps.

Keep your text very neutral but clear. Nothing inflammatory in the slightest as he could take it as a green light to kick off.

Don't mention the locks, nothing, just 'This isn't working for me. Please don't contact me again'

Safety first.
Ask friends to text or call before they come up. You could give Womans aid a call to get some professional advice on navigating this bit. Get all the help you can. That's what these services are for.

FriendofBill · 29/07/2015 20:16

What Rousette said is good.

sensiblesometimes · 29/07/2015 20:54

Those niggling doubts will fade give it time .You must not backtrack ...The longer no contact the easier ..Focus on new positive passions / plans for you and your daughter .
The future is so much brighter
WITHOUT HIM Yippeee, little dance ...big hugs , Well Done xxxxxx

DogWalker75 · 29/07/2015 20:54

Yay well done Mugon. He truly is a wanker.

Hope your dd is better soon.

sensiblesometimes · 29/07/2015 20:57

And woman's aid like others have said if you are scared

Jen1610 · 29/07/2015 21:10

Just to forewarn you. I truly believe you won't hear from him. He will however turn up one day this weekend. To show you 'how he actually really cares so much he was willing to leave his friend for a day who he should be celebrating with' to totally head fuck you)

If I were you. I'd block his number and him from all apps and arrange to go spend the weekend with family.Parents if possible so if he does turn up. You aren't there to be manipulated by his bs and he won't be able to get in and will realise you have changed the locks and may even think you have moved.

You will then have three weeks on holiday to clear your head and get over him.

bumblebee1234 · 29/07/2015 21:19

Hi Mugonhead I am very happy to hear that you have made your mind up. I read the first page and I couldn't believe how he was treating you. We are emotional and this sort of stuff happens and then we get caught up in nonsense. You are better off without him than with him. Enjoy your daughter the right man will find you unexpectedly Smile

eddielizzard · 29/07/2015 21:48

you're amazing. well done.

he is an arse and he doesn't deserve you.