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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

369 replies

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

OP posts:
gamerchick · 21/07/2015 23:12

What would happen if you told him you can no longer afford the extra bills when he stays with you?

He can say anything he wants, it doesn't change the facts.

An extra person does cost more even if they go 50/50 on food.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 21/07/2015 23:13

He doesn't live with you, he only visits, so it's not reasonable to expect him to contribute towards your rent and bills. You said he pays 50/50 if I've understood this bit right: "And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food)", so he's paying his way where food etcetera is concerned.

The one thing I would have put my foot very firmly down about is his going out with his pals on his own. That is treating your home like a free hotel, it's insulting and very disrespectful. I'd kick him to the kerb for that alone.

It's also completely heartless to be buying himself luxuries in front of you when he knows things are extremely tight for you right now. I kick him to the kerb for that as well.

LovelyFriend · 21/07/2015 23:14

If he wants it to be 50/50 then tell him he should contribute half the fuel and rent for when he's staying in your fantastically located flat.
If there is a way forward, and if you can be arsed, this does seem to be the way.

I'd have to be in desperate straights to ask a non-live in BF to pay money to contribute to the cost of my rent/power/gas/water for the times he spends with me. But because of your financial situation, because the time you spend together is always at yours, because he stays but doesn't stay and because he is a tight miser, if you did feel the relationship was otherwise worth pursuing then this might be the road you have to try to go down.

I imagine he'll get a massive sulk on about it though and perhaps call you more names OP. it which case you know exactly what you need to do.

HowD · 21/07/2015 23:14

I would be more offended at him using my home to enable his social life without me and then want to bed me at the end of the night than how much he spent on a Winter coat.

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 23:16

Itsacracker- I don't think I have an unhealthy obsession with money. It's a money related post, as I said at the start, I do love him and I think he's a lovely guy in other ways, but I'm only now beginning to question this situation possibly because (sorry to sort of dripfeed) we went on a little holiday (which we split 50/50) last week and on the one nice meal we had out he got drunk and said he couldn't enjoy the holiday because it was "breaking the bank" (it was a v cheap break by anyone's standards, it made me cross that he said that because it's the only holiday I've had in years and he was making it about money!) so I guess money has been on my mind in terms of our relationship increasingly now. I don't get whether to continue with it appreciating the other good aspects of the relationship, or to see this as a big red flag.

OP posts:
LovelyFriend · 21/07/2015 23:16

speaking of red flags, you also know that he a manipulative cheater OP!

Glitoris · 21/07/2015 23:16

If you want to check his cocklodger status,tell him that you want to go away for his next leave to a nice hotel.(don't worry about arranging childcare,it won't come to that).You'll soon see how keen he is to see you when he has to pay proper rates.

WallyBantersJunkBox · 21/07/2015 23:20

£150 includes his food etc for the week op?

Do you know how much he earns? With his rank you can look up a ballpark figure in the Army website.

Sounds like he is having his cake and eating it to me.

Next time he makes plans in London without you, say " oh that sounds nice, where will you stay"

ChilliAndMint · 21/07/2015 23:23

Aside from the money stuff he sounds like a vile misogamist.

I'm not a hater of men but the rants and stuff would be telling him to move along....an obnoxious pillock.

You can find a better blokes than him on pof.( and that is saying something)

Get a grip and turf the fucker out asap.

Thinking this is a wind up...

Someone remind me what century we are living in....pls

fackinell · 21/07/2015 23:23

I had one like this,forces guy too. Freeloaded for a year and a half and very frugal if we went out. His wife was lovely when she found out and called me. Angry I, on the other hand, had no idea. He told me she'd died.

Extreme yes, but at the very least you have a using, freeloading cocklodger. Change your lock and close the hotel, OP.

Alibabsandthe40Musketeers · 21/07/2015 23:24

OP - do you think he is really that into you, or do you suspect he is using you?

Seems very weird that he is happy to spend money on other things, but when he's with you he's in tightarse mode. Not good.

I suspect that you fit neatly into his life at the moment - he wants to be off base, in London, and have company, and you are ticking all those boxes. Don't let yourself be used in this way, you sound lovely and are worth much, much more.

ItsACracker · 21/07/2015 23:24

Mugonhead I was slightly playing the Devils advocate. I see entirely why you have the financial aspect on your mind. I was just drawing attention to the fact that you hardly mentioned other stuff that Gordon in a healthy relationship

ItsACracker · 21/07/2015 23:24

Goes on not Gordon!!

ChilliAndMint · 21/07/2015 23:27

Unusual spelling of Misogynist ...
Yeah you are being taken for a mug.
Dodge the young squaddies they are but babies.

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 23:28

Some really good advice guys. Its hard to hear though! He says he loves me and sees a future for us, I don't know if he's just telling me what I want to hear to keep the status quo. If he is using me that's pretty worrying and awful. I was so lonely as a single mum and my dc loves him, I knew he had eg.cheated in the past but I thought we had something special and he said he regretted it so I didn't think of him as a bad guy. I just do feel used to an extent by now- I must do, or why would I be posting about it? The holiday only compounded that feeling as it soured what was supposed to be a nice thing. It's not just about the money though. He only keeps in touch by text and sporadically in the week, sometimes by the weekend I feel a bit annoyed as he will let me know with an hour of him coming and expect me to be there waiting. I feel like I fancy him less when he's more obviously taking the piss like coming home from yet another expensive stag do and then trying to initiate sex! So we haven't had sex in a little while. I don't know if I feel cherished. It's not just the money, it's just an easier way to articulate what seems like an unbalanced situation.

OP posts:
Alibabsandthe40Musketeers · 21/07/2015 23:34

Oh :( this does rather get worse with more information.

Why don't you make yourself unavailable for a couple of weekends and see how things develop? You are not his crashpad.

HowD · 21/07/2015 23:35

What are you doing about texts this week and your home this weekend?

I would ignore him this weekend, no answering the phone or door. Let him find another bed to sleep in.

Glitoris · 21/07/2015 23:35

Cross-posted with you with mu suggestion of a weekend away....looks like he has already proved himself Sad

So,within the first 12 months,he has made you question yourself,free-loaded off you,made you feel used,treated you like a cheap lay and killed your sex drive?

He ain't a keeper...others are...so free yourself up to meet a better man.

WallyBantersJunkBox · 21/07/2015 23:37

Text him an hour before he's due to arrive, telling him sorry but your busy.

expatinscotland · 21/07/2015 23:39

A freeloading, manipulative cheater. It happens to the best of us, but you've been had. Time to bin this one.

MrsLuciusMalfoy · 21/07/2015 23:41

I have one a bit like this...but there is no Cock, he just lodges! ;)

flipflopdrop · 21/07/2015 23:44

Wow op - to me you sound awesome Smile. You have been made redundant but already have another job lined up. You are a single parent managing the living / renting / bringing up a child in London. You actually have savings that have helped you through what just have been a stressful time.

You deserve the best here - please just keep telling yourself that. Do not lose your independence.

Inertia · 21/07/2015 23:45

He' s a user. I'm sorry- it sounds as though you are very very convenient, especially when you can be relied upon to be at his beck and call and you only cost a few insincere promises and half the cost of a pizza. You deserve better than this.

fluffybunnies246 · 21/07/2015 23:45

OP does mention other aspects- his manipulation, cheating but that he is a lovely guy on the face of it all.

This guy definitely sounds like a cocklodger. He sounds like he is really taking advantage. The manipulation and cheating doesn't sound too great either.

BurntToast89 · 21/07/2015 23:52

OP how sure are you he pays £150 a month for accomodation? The reason why I'm asking is because I've been in the forces myself and even the really nice accom I had was not £150 more like £79. Is his camp PAYD where he has to pay for his own food and not getting it taken out of his wages monthly?

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