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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

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Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

OP posts:
moreshitandnofuckingredemption · 22/07/2015 09:36

So much wrong with this, I don't know where to start. The money is the least of your problems, frankly. He has no respect for you and no incentive to change his behaviour.
He sounds worse with every post.
I mean this kindly - you need to do some serious work on your self-esteem.

fourflights · 22/07/2015 09:36

Unless you believe that any man is better than no man, I really don't get this. He must have some redeeming qualities that we haven't heard about.

You say that he's a lovely guy on the face of it, how? and that you love him, why? This just doesn't make sense, you are paying for his company.

LadyPlumpington · 22/07/2015 09:36

I think your last-but-one post sums up your situation perfectly - you sense that you're being taken advantage of and you (quite rightly) resent it.

Trust me, it's better to dump someone who makes you feel crap than to be alone - I dumped my cheating fiancee and lived alone for 2 years. I was miserable for part of that, sure, but it was sort of a cleaner unhappiness if that makes sense - I was justifiably sad that my relationship had ended, but no longer sad about being in a relationship with a selfish twat.

It doesn't sound like you've made any unreasonable demands of him, whereas he has unreasonably demanded that you make yourself available to him every weekend. Bugger that for a game of soldiers (all puns intended).

Text and ditch him - I bet he'll find time to call then! He'll be desperate once he realises that his London meal ticket has expired....

HPsauciness · 22/07/2015 09:41

He's a bully who is nice to you to get what he wants. You didn't agree to let him stay weekends, he just started. You didn't agree to give him a key, he just went and got one cut. You didn't agree to let him stay every weekend while he goes out with others, he just does it. You didn't agree on anything as a couple who have each other's best interests at heart. And- if you challenge him about anything he gets angry or refuses. There's no negotiation from his part, he just does what he wants.

This is quite a depressing thread to read, because you sound a sweetheart and he sounds really quite unpleasant. Please consider removing him from your life permanently.

achieve15 · 22/07/2015 09:41

Don't even consider staying with him
He's a woman hater, you don't want DC around that.
Also, sorry, but I bet he thinks a single mum should be "grateful" to have him and he might even say that when you dump him

LadyPlumpington · 22/07/2015 09:43

Maybe text the following:

"Look, I've been thinking and I want to call it a day on this relationship. I'm not happy and I think it would be best if we ended things."

I presume you'll have to get rid of his belongings (if any) but that's a minor logistical detail - they can always be picked up by or posted to one of his mates, surely.

FenellaFellorick · 22/07/2015 09:43

The money really isn't the big deal. Let's take a look at what you have said about him -

He spends all his free time at your place because he likes the london lifestyle

He is manipulative

He has been unfaithful to a previous partner

He rants about women and types of women that he hates - which appears to be every type of woman except the obedient, subservient type who accepts man as boss.

he hates his mother and models himself on his father - don't expect your relationship to be any different, he wants to recreate that. The man hating the woman and using her, while expecting her to serve him.

He refuses to pay for the additional expenses you actually incur when he is there (utilities etc)

He moved in by stealth and expects that your home is available to him whenever he wants it.

You feel like you are a hotel to him because he goes out without you, just using your home as a base.

He goes off doing his own stuff without you, without inviting you, using your home for convenience and if you mention that it makes you feel used, he gets angry and emotionally manipulative

If you have other plans, he sulks and strops, because he feels you must be available - and your home must be available - to him whenever he wants the use of it ... or you!

He got a key cut without your permission.

If you challenge him on anything, he becomes enraged.

You feel unhappy, used and like you're a total mug.

I mean, that's what you wrote - bugger the cash. He's an ARSEHOLE!

crispycookie · 22/07/2015 09:46

Mugonhead please trust your instinct... And RUN! You know the relationship is not right, don't hang on for the sale of a relationship, it's not worth it. There seems to be some kind of weird pressure on single parent who is on their next relationship (after the marriage breakdown) to make it work because of the children or that they should feel lucky someone wants them. I have seen so many miserable single mums hang on to a relationship because they think it's their last chance saloon or something. Don't fall into that trap, you will feel so relieved when you are out. I am in London too and PM me if you like. Take care!

KetchupIsNearlyAVegetable · 22/07/2015 09:47

Well, if he truly loves you then there would be no problem with you saying "We have only been together a year and so you being in my flat every weekend is moving too fast for me, especially as I have a DD. It is confusing for both of us. I need my own space until we decide if we want to move in together or not, in maybe a year or two's time. I want you to stay elsewhere in London when you visit for a few months."

If he is a cocklodger he will pull out all the stops to keep his free hotel. If he loves you he will understand, apologise and give you the space you need.

Don't mention the money to him at all. It is about your space and his respect for it.

lunar1 · 22/07/2015 09:55

One thing I would do right away is change the lock without telling him. I'm hoping you end this but either way you need your home to be yours again. How would he ever know it had been changed if it's for emergencies only!

Finallyonboard · 22/07/2015 09:57

Get rid of him. He's taking advantage.

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BerylStreep · 22/07/2015 10:06

The thing I would do right away is text along the lines of the first part of Ketchup's suggestion and say, "We have only been together a year and so you being in my flat every weekend is moving too fast for me, especially as I have a DD. This isn't working for me, and I want to end things.'

I bet his true colours won't take long to emerge, and it will cement your decision.

lottiegarbanzo · 22/07/2015 10:08

Ugh. I was going to say earlier that much of his attitude is that of a young, naive, selfish man - not unusual for the age group. Not acceptable long term and not right for you but not unusual.

But, having read more, he is far worse than that. I do think he's chosen you because you're a single parent and is deliberately exploiting your insecurities. I don't think he could cope with a relationship with an equally young, well earning, socially confident woman with no attachments. She'd terrify and repulse him, because his idea of a relationship is all about taking. Not giving, not co-operating, or compromising, not living as equals.

In a way he is to be pitied. He's had a terrible role model in his father, leaving him with no model of a healthy relationship. He's terrified of women, as they are the source of money, of real power, so have to be put down and undermined at all times so they don't realise it and jeopardise his cushy existence and his freedom.

So the money issues are very real but they are just a symptom. The illness is his warped belief system, in which he despises all women.

pictish · 22/07/2015 10:16

I think his true colours are plain to see.

pictish · 22/07/2015 10:18

I don't think he could cope with a relationship with an equally young, well earning, socially confident woman with no attachments. She'd terrify and repulse him, because his idea of a relationship is all about taking. Not giving, not co-operating, or compromising, not living as equals.

Absobloodylutely.

BerylStreep · 22/07/2015 10:31

Well, yes Pictish, good point. His true colours are plain to see, except possibly to the OP who is still doubting herself.

Mugonhead · 22/07/2015 10:45

Pictish do you really think I'm not for real? Not sure where that came from and not going to try and convince you otherwise. It just seems a silly comment really.

Lottiegarbanzo- yep, I can't stand his dad. He also cheated on dp's mum and broke up their family when dp was young teen, kicking off what dp considers a very hard-up family life for him and his mum.. But somehow script has been written in dp's head (by his dad) that he was justified in cheating because his wife was "difficult". (This is also why do cheated on his ex because she didn't appreciate him enough. His fave phrase is "being taken for granted", his dad the same. Ironic in the circumstances!) Dp dad has also turned dp against his stepmum who had a big health scare recently and apparently is "hard work" ever since. Despite her having just bought a house for them both and providing him with money to live on as he doesn't work. Sadly it's easy to see the parallels isn't it! I thought thjngs could be different with us if I just cared for him and showed him I love him..but it seems to just translate to me being a mug in his eyes. I know it sounds like I really dislike him. To be honest i increasingly do since realising he stonewalls me when I question the arrangement, and since he spoilt our holiday, and having just been moaned at by him because he's "broke" (thanks to friends stag dos etc) so he doesn't want to do anything this weekend. He frequently spends half the weekend nursing a hangover at mine from these excursions anyway or taking naps. Does that seem like someone who was dying to spend his time with me properly? Not really.

Beryl/ketchup- that's it I guess. Moving too fast, I do feel trapped in it and increasingly resentful of having fast forwarded to become his army wife (not that there's anything wrong with army wives but they do the LDR thing and keep the house- however for them it's at least mutual investment).

What do I like about him? I really fancy him (well I did a lot more before, now I'm increasingly resentful it isn't quite the same.) I said I loved him first and he said it back, though he now says it v rarely, doesn't really say it first. It is nice to feel he cares though. He is good with my dc and I think he does care about her. He is clever and we have good discussions. I am lonely though so I'm sure I cling to these things maybe more than seeing he bigger picture. I know he isn't a "great guy". He does have issues- but then I do too.

OP posts:
Alibabsandthe40Musketeers · 22/07/2015 10:53

OP Fast forward 25 years. Imagine that you see your DD being treated this way by a similar man.

What would your advice to her be?

LadyPlumpington · 22/07/2015 10:53

He's clever and you have good discussions when he feels like staying and talking to you rather than buggering off to see his mates (and when he's not hungover, presumably).

You're getting scraps of good stuff here, op. Please don't let that obscure your view of all the shit you get too.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/07/2015 11:00

Oh lovey, do dump his sorry arse! He's not just "not a great guy", he's a total user and because you're not used to having a decent relationship, you're taking the crumbs of niceness he's offering you as a whole cake - trust me, it's not!

Feck him off. Really truly feck him off.

pictish · 22/07/2015 11:03

It's not a silly comment when you consider how many people write stuff on this site that turns out to be nonsense. You'd be amazed at what people will troll with.
Your thread contains such glaring awfulness that I had to wonder if it was a wind-em-up-and-let-em-go one.

So here's this cocklodging bell end...he earns much more than you, uses your house in London like a hotel at the weekends, contributes nothing to his upkeep financially and is offended that you would ask him to, has never paid for you while you're out, treats himself to childish designer guff all the time, says he's too busy to give you notice of when he is going to turn up to use your house as his hotel (what the very fuck!), claims to be skint every month, comes back pissed from stag dos to shag you, hates women who are outspoken or feminists or 'slutty'...and who likes to tell people he could buy an Audi in cash.

If you're not a troll (and I accept you're not so my apologies) then what the hell are you actually doing giving this complete wanker house room?

It's like he's the most repugnant man a person could ever invent!

hereandtherex · 22/07/2015 11:08

Speaking as someone with 3 brothers who used to be in the Army, it always astounds me when women shack up with squaddies and are then surprised at what happens.

pictish · 22/07/2015 11:13

How can you fancy him? Seriously...how?

DrMorbius · 22/07/2015 11:14

I'm with Pictish, the only thing your dp lacks is to be physically abusive and then he would have a full tick list of red flags and yet you still dither.

Every single poster has slagged him off and yet you dither.

You keep feeding another of his transgressions and yet you dither.

What do you really expect from your post?

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