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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

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Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

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cerealqueen · 23/07/2015 19:33

Tell him you have an amazing job offer in the some far flung town and see how he reacts. Then block him.

TheCraicDealer · 23/07/2015 20:07

A bit late to the party here, but I think his rent is probably about right; DBoyfriend (RMP, not an officer) used to pay something scandalous like £30pcm for his accommodation when we started going out four years ago, then they made him move into the modern block and it went up to £120 or so. He was raging. He also pays about eighty or ninety quid per month for three meals a day. 100% get where a pp said about them "forgetting" about how much it costs to live in Real Life; thankfully DBoyfriend is realistic.

So assuming your man is a Lance Corporal he's probably on 27-28K and has a disposable income of around £1,700 every month. That's not including if he's been on exercise or any trips which would entitle him to out of bed payments. And he's quibbling about €10 for a meal after you've been made redundant? Get to fuck! The very least he should be doing is sending you a hundred quid or so for food and utilities, but it would seem he'd rather spend it on booze and German prostitutes nights out. He's had someone else picking up the tab for "boring stuff" (ie, living costs) his entire life- his mum, his grandparents, the army and now you.

You need him out of your life. He may have an arse you can crack walnuts off but he's a woman-hating cock. By subsidising his London lifestyle you're wasting money you could be spending on you and your DD. I agree you should change the locks, text him to say it's over it add that if he turns up at your door you'll be calling the police. But actually do call them if he does, you need to show him you mean business.

Destinysdaughter · 23/07/2015 20:12

TheCraig - brilliant post! I've had no dealings with army guys but thanks for sharing both your experience and wise words. I swear if the OP successfully dumps this guy the whole of MN will be doing a massive fist pump!!

OTheHugeManatee · 23/07/2015 21:07

You need him out of your life. He may have an arse you can crack walnuts off but he's a woman-hating cock. By subsidising his London lifestyle you're wasting money you could be spending on you and your DD. I agree you should change the locks, text him to say it's over it add that if he turns up at your door you'll be calling the police. But actually do call them if he does, you need to show him you mean business.

This.

AyeAmarok · 23/07/2015 21:53

Simple text telling him not to come this weekend. Don't engage in conversation with him about it.

Change the locks, you MUST do this. It's quite cheap and easy to do.

Go out with your friend and have a good time.

DTF.

Changeasgoodasis · 23/07/2015 22:08

Wish you strength to stop him coming OP. If he does come though, please come back and keep posting, posters can seem impatient on threads but there's support for you here if this takes longer.

You have said that he has piled up a lot of stuff at your place, so he probably will insist on coming to get it - you said that have mutual friends, is there anyone who can help you with this?

MehsMum · 23/07/2015 22:08

Yet another one saying, LTB.

I know that sort of man at close and longterm quarters: my father was very similar. He got my mother into an emotional armlock, always flew into a rage rather than discuss an issue in a civilised way, took advantage of her good nature and was a terrible misogynist (well, there isn't any other sort, but he was Grade A).

Get out now. You will be happier for it, and so will your DD.

maras2 · 23/07/2015 22:25

Have a look at the squaddies on line chat,I think it's called. ARRSE.You'll see the way that they hate mumsnet it's a vile piece of misogynistic crap with cocklodger squaddies bragging about their lifestyles propped up by decent women like you.You may even recognise you know who from his posting style.Dump him love before he drags you and your child down anymore.Best of luck.

DarkNavyBlue · 24/07/2015 00:41

I would just chalk this up to a fun experience (I'm assuming you've had some good sex at some point) and move on.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 24/07/2015 03:14

Excellent post from TheCraic.

OP, you must tell him to sod off. Tell him the water/electricity or something is off this weekend, bet he won't come up then anyway, but just in case, change the locks anyway. How dare he just assume that you'll be free to accept his company on the Friday, just because he has a day off, which, by the way, he hasn't told you about before? I mean seriously, if he was a nice bloke in a decent relationship and he had a Friday off, he would have phoned and told you and asked if you were busy, or if you maybe wanted to go somewhere for the weekend. But he hasn't - he's just suddenly dropped this on you and expects you to acquiesce.

You MUST change the locks. If you have a normal Yale lock, changing the barrel is a piece of cake, just get a new one from the DIY shop. If you can't do that, then put an extra lock on the door. Security locks are much harder to change and probably need a locksmith, so a bit costly, but still worth it!

I am quite sure if you try and remove his cushy number he will turn very nasty. If not actually violent, then verbally vicious. Be prepared for a heap of insulting contact, if you don't block him first of course.

lottiegarbanzo · 24/07/2015 08:03

Good luck. If you're not comfortable with dumping him straight off, just say you already have plans on Friday and actually would rather have this weekend to yourself.

Gives you breathing space and I suspect his reaction will provide you with the perfect reason to respond with 'no more'.

SylvanianCaliphate · 24/07/2015 13:02

Keep in mind if he does start any aggressive or inappropriate behaviour a quick call to his CO or welfare officer will nip that in the bud.
Whoever is at the end of the duty phone will just love to fuck him about on your behalf.

hampsterdam · 24/07/2015 15:54

Bless you op you can do this you are obviously intelligent and capable he is just a vile user. I had an ex like him, worked away in the week never knew when he would turn up usually only if there was nothing better on offer. I realise now he was using me and my home. And he thought I should be grateful because I've got a child and even said as much when I dumped him. Like you I was putting off plans with friends on the off chance of spending time with him then finding myself alone with nothing to do. Anyway I dumped him and worked on myself and now I'm married to an amazing man who treats me as his number one priority all the time not just an option. I'm happier than I thought I ever could be, and you can be too, get rid of this dead weight and you will find someone who deserves you.

Imustgodowntotheseaagain · 24/07/2015 23:21

I hope you saw your friend today, OP?

Google "projection" if you are interested in knowing why he calls you EA. He is projecting his nasty character onto you. My EA ex called me a bully when I stood up to him. I hate bullies and never thought of myself as one but he had me doubting myself so much.

DogWalker75 · 25/07/2015 00:50

Urgh I've just RTFT. I really hope he didn't manage to worm his way into your home today OP. He sounds utterly vile. I agree with PP who says him calling you EA is projection; my ex also did this.

He is utterly vile. Please change the locks and break up with him ASAP.

woodleydoodle · 25/07/2015 01:54

Change the locks.

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FeckTheMagicDragon · 25/07/2015 15:27

OP if you have let him come this weekend that's ok, keep posting. Keep using us as a sounding board. It's easy to say LTB when your not the one in the middle of getting your head sorted. Not so easy in real life.

JustLikeHeaven · 25/07/2015 15:46

Hi OP......yes please do keep posting. you've been on my mind all week. hope you're doing okay

SylvanianCaliphate · 25/07/2015 18:48

Spot on FeckTMD was just coming to post the same.

Don't feel pushed away because we think your boyfriend is having you over Mugo we've invariably been had over ourselves, some of us far too many times, so we are often looking through tainted experienced eyes Smile

No one will berate you, maybe question your motivation and wonder at your emotional state but all from a concerned place.

AdeleNazeem · 25/07/2015 20:23

second what others have said.. keep posting, people are here for you whatever has/is happening this weekend

I see how I was a few years ago in you, you sound lovely and just being treated so bad. feel like I wanna send you a big bunch of flowers!

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lottiegarbanzo · 26/07/2015 08:18

Yes, do come back, whatever happened.

I fear he's sensed you're serious and given you a sob story, playing on your caring nature, nurturing that seed of an idea that you can help him change, in order to manipulate you into continuing to give him what he wants.

Aggression is not the only form of abuse. You can't fix him. He'd have to want to do that himself. By all means pity him but from a safe distance. When someone has a persistently detrimental effect on your life, it's time to move them outside the zone of people who can have any influence over you, however much they may need help, from someone.

Mugonhead · 26/07/2015 16:55

Hi guys
sorry i haven't updated the past couple of days. I guess i was feeling a bit embarrassed and frustrated with myself because as some posters have guessed, he did manage to come over this w/e. Partly because by the time I replied on thurs pm saying i wasn;t sure it would work for him to come as i had plans the next day, he was already on his way anyway. Yet again, very presumptuous on his part- but thats the whole point isnt it. Thankyou all so much for the support, the kind words and the courage you have given me, cant believe how supportive it has been on here. I think I may have got somewhere - apologies for the long post but here goes, an update..

As soon as he arrived on Thurs I felt such a mix of frustration, irritation, claustrophobia really! Not the things you want to feel when you're spending a weekend with your dp. And it made me wonder how long I've just buried those feelings and got on with it, because I didnt know if I was being really unreasonable about it all, or demanding. I see things so much more clearly now and this thread has seriously been the key to that. After being constantly shut down and accused of being abusive/going off on one/difficult I just stopped speaking up about things that bothered me. I have become isolated - while his social life has only continued, mine has dwindled because I can't make big plans at the weekend without him getting annoyed and accusing me of taking him for granted. Eg, my sister is emigrating with her 2 kids next weekend- we are all incredibly close and I want to spend as much time with them as possible, but because my sis cant stand "d"p (red flag as well!), I havent been able to spend a lot of time with them and by next weekend it'll be too late. Not to mention the fact he's still moaning on about the "expensive" holiday. The poster/s that said he earns around 28k - that shocked me. He makes out like he is scraping by! I dont earn anywhere near that and i pay for everything for me and dd, in London. I realised if he is deliberately lying/manipulating me about that, what else is he manipulating me about? I also noticed with even more clarity how he is SO protective of his phone - he takes it to the toilet and the shower! and has it in his boxers pocket in bed... I would not be surprised if he's up to something really. partic because he also randomly accused me of texting someone at 4am when i had got up to see to my dd and had to google something quickly! Possibly projection like posters have said.. he has cheated before. but thats really by the by..

(also, interesting you guyd' experience with forces guys. I have also found his friends quite rude and offensive making personal comments as if to shock or "neg" me even on first meeting. i would prob never go out with one again. Sad but true.)

Anyway. On Friday morning he started a subtle campaign of trying to make me feel bad I wasnt inviting him to come along to meet my friend, even though he knew ir was a prior plan. She lives the other side of the world and has never met my dd so it didnt occur to me to invite him - and i just wanted the girly catchup time with her - is that so wrong?! He insisted on coming into town even though it was pouring with rain and dropped me at the venue even though he didnt have any reason to, from his constant questions i felt like he was seeming suspicious, but i didnt back down (thanks to the confidence from this thread partly!) When we met up 3 hours later he had just been walking around in the rain for no reason, it seemed like he had just done that to tell me how put out he had been! Ughh. From then on as normal, it was a quite depressing and quiet weekend, because he was tired and started feeling "really sick and faint" randomly on Saturday when we went for a walk (as he couldnt afford to do anything.) So we had to go home, he was fine though when we got there. We were supposed to be going to visit his friend today but my dd was up all night sick (and so I was up all night too) and even if I had been feeling not like death warmed up in the morning, there was no way I was taking her out in the rain so ill. He didnt seem bothered, carried on with getting ready, then before he left told me he would be going to his mate's welcome home party the next weekend and so I wouldnt see him before I go off to stay with family for 3 weeks.

When I said I'd hoped we could spend at least one day together before I went, he got nasty immediately. Accused me of not wanting to see his friends or have a life. That he has to "take my shit all the time" and he is sick of it. That I made him wait around for 3 hours while I saw my friend on Friday (!!!) and even somehow implying me going to see family for 3 weeks was selfsih as he "doesnt know what hes going to do for 3 weeks" (he could never come along on that trip with me anyway as he kept insisting he has to be near work throughouit August as he's volunteered for something.) When I started to point out he often spends weekends meant for us, with his friends, he cited the plan for today saying that "it's not his fault/his problem" that my dd is sick and I couldnt go along. No suggestion at any point of him cancelling and staying to look after me and dd. I snapped and accused him of constantly trying to control the relationship and shut me down, which felt really good. But of course he was having none of it. Stomped around, getting his stuff, accusing me of being ridiculous and ruining our time together. Left in anger wiyhout so much as a goodbye. That was at 11.30, i havent heard from him since.

I dont know how i feel. it's been a nice duvet day looking after dd, and I dont wish he was here. i doubt he thinks it is the end. But for now i could happily never ever deal wth that again.

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