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Cocklodger or AIBU?!

369 replies

Mugonhead · 21/07/2015 22:48

Hi all
I've name changed for this. really could use some advice as I feel like I'm in a potentially bad situation but for some reason sort of embarrassed to talk about it in RL.

Basically it's about my dp of one year. He is in the forces and works about an hour from where I live right now (though this could change depending on his next posting this time next year.) He comes to stay at my flat every weekend religiously and often takes extra leave days which he will invariably spend at mine. I live in London and I think he misses the London lifestyle from before joining up (in his mid twenties) and definitely would rather spend any free time in London than in his posting which is in the middle of nowhere really. I love him and I miss him during the week - but something has begun to niggle at me about this since I read about cocklodgers on MN! He's a lovely guy on the face of it all, but can be manipulative of people- one of his exes still doesn't know he cheated on her for 3 months. I should say I have rubbish judgement having been in an awful EA relationship before him. So while this is long, please please bear with me and help if you can!

Basically I know he's a tight person- since we started dating he didn't really do the paying for stuff/grand gesture type thing. We have pretty much always split 50/50 and he has even had sort of rants about how much he hates women who expect the guy to pay for everything and he would never do that even on like a first date. Ok, I'm an independent woman and I don't expect the guy to pay, but looking back at that it seems a bit of a red flag. He constantly says he is broke towards the end of the month, but I know he pays about £150pcm for his room on base, and he doesn't have other big overheads except the train fare to see me at weekends which with his forces discount is not much at all. For me, I rent a typically expensive london flat by myself and also have a child whose dad doesn't pay child support (another story!) so I shoulder those costs and while I have always earned under the national average and don't have a lot of disposable income, I make ends meet. My dc and I are currently living on rapidly dwindling small savings as I was made redundant a couple of months ago, though starting a new job next month which pays the same as my old salary. And yet we are still splitting stuff 50/50 when my dp is round at weekends (everything including stuff we cook at my home though he buys me the occasional fast food) and he has never offered to pay anything towards my rent or bills despite basically living at mine when he is not at work (I realised this when I saw my address was set as "Home" on his google maps!) I asked him if he would contribute even a small bit towards my rent knowing how tiny his rent on camp is and the fact that he earns more than I ever hAve anyway. He did not like the idea and said he already has his own place (on camp) and that he only comes because he wants to see me, which is nice but it feels like he's making me feel like I should feel privileged for his company when actually it's like I've got a live in dp (especially on weeks when he has extra leave and is around for 3,4,5 days.) None of this has changed even in the period I have been out of work even though he has seen me stressed about money. Everytime I talk about money worries he starts going on about his own money stresses but I just don't get how he can have any! He always says he's spent his entire pay cheque by the end of the month which if true is impressive because even earning less than him, with a dc to singlehandedly support and a big rent and bills, I was always able to put a little bit away at the end of month.

I think he does have very expensive tastes- he thinks nothing of £40 on a tshirt, hates h&m, primark which I live in, and only likes designer. He often seems to spend about £50 on drinks when he goes out in London to meet friends (which he has done a few times while ostensibly staying At mine for the weekend, I can't usually go because of dc, but it has sometimes made me feel like a free london hotel!) he proposes we go for meals/cinema but I always feel I have to pay half as he doesn't usually say he will pay for it. I have unsurprisingly found this financially very tricky while not in work! The one time I ever griped that I didn't like him going out all night then for a brunch the next morning without even inviting me, thus seeing london friends and doing london stuff while staying in my flat, he got angry and accused me of not appreciating him coming to see me. But if it wasn't for me he couldn't live his very cherished london lifestyle iyswim? To be honest, I might not mind if he even paid anything towards my flat as he treats it like his second home and over Xmas for example he would expect to be there... Or if he took care of groceries, wine or something at weekends. Anything to make it feel a bit more fair! But I feel grumpy that he's pleading poverty when he's on a good salary, he expects 50/50 when Im not on regular income and am paying for his weekend retreat constantly, and that he can be so irresponsible in the face of it eg. Buying a "spare" phone charger at £50 for no real reason, buying a £350 coat because it was in the "sale" at selfridges, buying hair products at £18 a pop. Does he think I'm stupid?

Sorry that was so long but I just am sick of worrying about money, I don't see this changing as he has the constant excuse that he's the one making the effort to come see me and yet he doesn't see my at (where he keeps increasingly more of his stuff, comes to every weekend even if I'm thinking of making other plans with skmekne else once in a while (he sulks), and even had a key cut for "in case of emergency".) I feel like I may be being taken for a mug. I would like us to commit to a more joint financial relationship. Or is he just a cocklodger?!

Argh please help wise mumsnetters! I've been turning this over in my mind and I don't know what to do!

OP posts:
Charlie01234 · 26/07/2015 18:44

Take control op. Don't wait and wonder what he is going to do next. Take control - text him and tell him it's over. Get on with your life with your dd. TAKE CONTROL

BrowersBlues · 26/07/2015 18:45

OP end this crap relationship for yourself and your DD. You sound like a lovely person and you need this like a hole in the head. Just text him and tell him it is over, he doesn't deserve anything more.

Can you afford to get the locks changed? Perhaps your house guest could sort it out when you are away.

The cheek of him saying your DD being sick is not his problem and him getting nasty with you. Screw him, it is not sad that it is not working out, you have been set free to live you own life without this toxic individual in it.

I may be a mile off but his reliance on his phone suggests you are not the only person in his life. I know soldiers have to be cautious but his suspicions about you suggest he is not trustworthy. When would you have the time to see anyone else? He sounds absolutely horrible.

Please end it and get back into your own life, enjoying your family and friends. They probably miss you and your DD. Please end it.

CalleighDoodle · 26/07/2015 18:58

The phone thing is a red flag for cheating.
I would ohone the landlord and explain you think your ex had a key cut secretly as you suspect he has been in when youve not. The landlord will change the locks. And maybe call 101 about that too???

Text him saying any one of the to the point texts in this thread, such as 'this relationship isnt working for me anymore. Please dont contact me again.' Block his number on your phone, block him on Facebook snd anything else you have him on. Do not engage. He will try different methods to get you back in his control. Dont let him. Once he knows you will stand up to him he will only step up the control. Coming to yours without permission, after being told no, was to tell you he is in control. Taking you to see your friend was controlling.

He will get worse now. He is not someone to have near your daughter. Tell your sister it is over because she was right, he is a controlling emotionally abusive bully and im sure she will support you.

This is the ideal time to do
This as you're away.

FeckTheMagicDragon · 26/07/2015 19:21

When he stormed out did he leave the keys? No? So he intends to come back (with no notice, at his own convience of course)

It was obviously done for effect - to win the argument - shut you up, etc, etc. Same with the stonewalling. He doesn't like what you're saying, he doesn't care why you're saying it, he won't address any of the actual issues, he just wants you to play nice, do what he wants, when he wants he and shut the fuck up.

and the last year from your perspective was some good sex, some fun, some company, some life lessons, but ultimately finding out that he's not the one.

Phoenix0x0 · 26/07/2015 19:57

Mugon read this thread back. Carefully.

You sound lovely. He sounds like a user.

LTB, as both you and your daughter deserve so much more.

zipzap · 26/07/2015 20:15

Tell him it's over and say that you've changed the locks and told neighbours not to let you in if they see him trying to get in. Plus there will be somebody in your flat so not to try to get in.

Does he have any stuff at yours? Can you send it back to him so he has no excuse to return?

And if he does turn up or do anything dodgy - can you say that you'll have no problem reporting him to his CO or whoever it's appropriate to - may be some of the army folk on here could say if that would be appropriate ? Just thinking that if you've warned him and he does try anything to get back with you or back in the flat it might be something that makes him think twice about doing anything!

sensiblesometimes · 26/07/2015 21:18

He gets argumentative when you challenge him .or wish to discuss money ..he's manipulative and he knows how to 'work ' you ...sorry ..but pointless carrying on ...who is he with when he goes out all night in London? ?

franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 26/07/2015 21:46

Please listen to everyone, change your own lock on the door.
Then stop all contact via phones fakebook etc.
And yes he will turn up at a later stage as he wont want to give up his little pad with the little lady in it.
These cock-loggers look for woman with children because they think you will put up with anything.
He is a total knob so delete his life.

Unless you want the drama back and the making you feel like crap then do nothing.

Get rid and move on and wait for the lovely man who will bend over backwards for you and your little girl.
You mean more don't you so don't put up for less.

Mugonhead · 26/07/2015 21:48

Back again. Haven't heard from him all day which feels quite immature as he's the one who stormed out. And I'm aware- please go easy on me!- that my resolve is slipping, the Jedi mind tricks must be working as i am feeling more and more stressed by the situation post-confrontation, and by the radio silence. I know the ball is in my court to leave him and I know this is the best time as I am going away anyway. I just still on some level want to believe he might be a good guy! It's been a year after all and he has put on a pretty good front in that time. But I do feel he is a user and I don't like his nastiness.

Sorry, thinking out loud again- I'm sure my posts are getting rambly!

OP posts:
Mugonhead · 26/07/2015 21:50

Just feels like I have no idea what I deserve- how does any woman know? I always sell myself short- men, jobs, friends.

OP posts:
JanuaryKat · 26/07/2015 21:54

When you do eventually leave this excuse of a human being the only regret you'll have is wondering why you didn't leave him sooner.
Good luck x

cheminotte · 26/07/2015 21:57

You deserve more OP .

QueenQueenie · 26/07/2015 21:59

A good guy would not behave like this.
A good guy would not talk to you like this.
A good guy would not storm off in a huff.
A good guy would not abuse your good nature.
A good guy would not be so mean / tight / ungenerous.
A good guy would not use you as a crash pad / convenient base for his social life.
A good guy would not...

HE IS NOT A GOOD GUY!

crispycookie · 26/07/2015 22:05

Mug, you deserve better. If you don't end up with anyone, at least you know you can always depend on yourself. I always tell myself that any future partner HAS to enhance my life, not stress me out, otherwise what is the point? He does NOT enhance your life. Stay strong!

FeckTheMagicDragon · 26/07/2015 22:06

what you deserve is to be happy, no matter if you are single or with someone. And it sounds like he doesn't make you happy. He not the person he pretended to be. its easy to pretend to be someone else for a weekend at a time. But after a while the act drops and you get to see his real face and its not very attractive.

Its not you, it really is him. He mean, he's selfish, he's controlling, he's jealous and he's a user.

You will miss the person you thought he was. But you won't miss the real him. That guy is a bit of a shit.

sensiblesometimes · 26/07/2015 22:08

He's gone silent to.punish you , weaken you , push forward ..go away ..have some time away from him and his manipulative ways..manipulative men are always sweet and know how to 'put on a good front'

FeckTheMagicDragon · 26/07/2015 22:09

Wouldn't it have been lovely to have gone and seen your friends this weekend with out him hanging around like a wet weekend? Or for your sister to have come over before she goes? Or to have gone somewhere with your DD without wondering if he wanted to go or not?

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 26/07/2015 22:14

Your landlord or letting agent or building manager will be able to help with the lock changing. They must deal with it all the time with people moving, losing their keys etc.

franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 26/07/2015 22:40

Hes not a keeper.
Go and enjoy your free time and get rid of him.
Hes a cook lodging user loser.
What is great about him otherwise.
Because one thing you are failing to see is a real deal breaker he did not care that your little girl was sick.
Hes a selfish prick
When you are away you will slowly see this.
Change your locks so you have no excuse later and come back and say he turns up in 3 weeks with a big sorry and make up with some other bull to keep you there.
Start talking to your friends and family I am sure they will agree and help you keep busy so you wont even think about him.
Make a resolve now to choose a better pathway then this.

CalleighDoodle · 26/07/2015 22:41

Soend tomorrow evening doing the freedom programme.
Block him so you dont wonder why he isnt calling.

Nobody can do this for you. You need to do this yourself. It is easy once you decide. Change locks and block. This is typical behaviour from a controlling man. You must have the landlord change the locks, or do it yourself. You will realise you ate haooier without him by the end of your break.

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Gabilan · 26/07/2015 23:23

"my resolve is slipping"

It might help to go back and read some of your own posts, especially about how he was behaving this weekend.

As for a woman knowing what she deserves - well for myself I think unless a relationship is good, I'd rather be single. It's far easier to cope with being single than to cope with an arrogant shit like this.

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FeckTheMagicDragon · 27/07/2015 00:01

I look back on my single years (after divorcing twat and before meeting DH) with great fondness. I discovered ME. After a poor marriage and being a mum young I had kind of lost me.

And found out I was rather good at flirting, no interest in a relationship for a few years - but I did like a boogie and a bit of a snog with (sometimes inappropriate) young men :)

I also found out when I did finally start dating DH that - to my surprise -its not supposed to be hard.
They are supposed to be your best friend, care for you, look after you and put you first (and vice versa).

A year in, only seeing him weekends you should be still floating on a fluffy cloud of contentedness - not all anxious and stressed out because he flounced off out the door because you pointed out he was being selfish (again)

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