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Husband re-contacting OW - so hurt - very long, sorry

179 replies

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 11:17

Hello, I've NC for this but am a long-time lurker and occasional poster, including about my DH's affair which took place four years ago while I was working temporarily overseas with my company. The support I received at the time was fantastic and assisted me in regaining my emotional sanity after truly despicable behaviour at the hands of H and OW.

The OW used every option to try and destroy me professionally and personally, including making malicious and unfounded complaints to my employer and the police (the latter resulted in her receiving a formal caution) and did the same to my H, after we made the decision to try and rebuild our marriage.

Because of my H's behaviour in the six months after I discovered their affair and before he properly ended it with her, the process of reconciliation has been very challenging and painful as I battled to get over the absolutely dreadful things he said to me about me and my numerous shortcomings in relation to the 'perfect' OW - these ranged across the whole gamut of my looks, my weight, my hair (she has glorious hair - mine is thin and has been a cause of much self-consciousness from a very early age), my lack of sportiness, my poor culinary ability (she has cooked professionally), plus my age - I am 12 years older than her. He now bitterly regrets his cruelty but is has left me with profound emotional scars and my self-confidence about my appearance which was never high anyway, has been decimated.

The situation was complicated by the fact that they worked in the same team as her and it was not until he sought a move of location to a different depot that he seemed able to put the relationship with her behind him and properly focus on us, although her making the numerous allegations she did repeatedly set us back. But he did everything to try and demonstrate his remorse and make clear his determination to seek my forgiveness - NC and blocking her, individual counselling for him and relationship counselling for us, changing the car in which she had given him a regular blow job before he dropped her back home after work, and getting rid of the furniture they had had sex on in our family home during my absence, the job move - which also involved a family house move right across the country (I was fine with this), plus repeatedly and unprompted, expressing his guilt and sorrow. On occasions he has cried about how much he hurt me and our 3 DC.

I have struggled to get over it all and was on antiDs for two years before weening myself off them. I have lived with the niggling fear that he has been going through the motions but reasoned that he could have left if he had really wanted to as she had told her DH she wanted to marry my H and her DH, although devastated, had made it clear to her - and me - that he had no wish to be the consolation prize and would agree to a divorce if my DH did leave me for her. However my H was adamant that it was me he wanted, not her, and said that he knew he had been in the grip of limerence during the affair and for some months after and that the cold turkey approach had been the only solution.

Things have been slowly improving between us but I admit that on occasion my hurt and humiliation can bubble up but I always apologise if I lose it and he responds by apologising too for having given me cause to react that way

  • I can honestly say that she was no longer of any great interest to me and I could even view the entire thing in a fairly objective, almost neutral, manner most (not all!) of the time.

However 4 weeks ago I was woken by a Skype call in the middle of the night. I thought it might be one of my colleagues currently working overseas but was horrified to see it was a missed call from the OW. I immediately woke my H with a 'why the fuck is xxxxxx skypeing me?' - to my devastation he immediately told me everything - showing me the emails between them and the whatsapp conversation. He had re-contacted her at the beginning of the year after we had a difficult Christmas following the sudden and totally unexpected death of his DM, and after being told by his company that the promotion he had long expected was now never going to happen. He said he felt I had been 'fairly supportive' about both events (very unfair particularly about his DM as I arranged the funeral from start to finish, sorted out the money, her small estate etc etc because he was in pieces and his 2 sisters were estranged from their mum) - but he knew that he would get 'more sympathy' from her as she has long made it clear via third parties that she still wants him. There was no resumption of their sexual relationship although in her messages she begged to have sex with him (he refuses in his replies, saying that he could not betray me or the children again in that way), but there is very much an emotional reconnection.

He ended it immediately that day - telephoned her husband to apologise - they had decided to reconcile for the sake of their young DC after my H made it clear after their first affair that he wanted to remain in our marriage. He also sent her an email apologising for getting her hopes up again for purely selfish and egocentric reasons. He swears that he had 'finally' grown up and truly realised how dreadful both the original affair and now this revisiting their emotional affair has been and what a 'complete fool' he has been. He said he had been self-pitying, pathetic and wanted the assurance that he could still have a beautiful woman risk everything in order to be with him. I have no doubt that the OW skyped me in order to provoke a reaction in both him and me but frankly I don't care about her motives.

But despite all that he has now done I feel dead inside. I can not comprehend that he resumed an affair with a woman who had done so much very real damage to both of us! Nor that he wilfully set aside all the shit and hard work we have endured individually and as a couple to really start to rebuild our marriage. I have told him that if he truly loves her I will not stand in their way but he has begged for forgiveness and is adamant that it was a lapse driven by external factors. But when I ask him how long it would have continued had the OW not contacted me, he just says that it would have 'fizzled out' because he had realised that he had 're-opened Pandora's Box' and was 'desperate' to close it again but feared that if he did so too abruptly then based on her past actions, she would wreak havoc again. Certainly the exchanges I have seen between them are unbalanced in the sense that she repeatedly begs for more, to plan for a future together, for sex, while his are very non-committal and almost like an exchange with a close friend rather than a lover. And he does mostly talk about his distress over the death of his DM and how frustrated he is professionally. Unlike their last relationship he writes nothing derogatory about me but does talk about his pride in my professional achievements. But even the latter disgusts me as how DARE he discuss me in any way with her!

I still love him but at the moment I despise him. He did what he knew I feared most in terms of our relationship. He has changed since this latest revelation and seems genuinely committed to gaining my forgiveness. But where will I ever find peace of mind now? Will the next life crisis see him running back to her?? He says not and that he has finally 'woken up'.

I am so very sorry for the length of this but if there is anyone out there who has experienced a similar scenario I would love to hear what the outcome was. Please don't flame me wise mumsnetters for having believed him when he said it was over for good the first time around..

OP posts:
Cocolepew · 22/07/2015 14:55

Your husband is playing on your insecurities about your looks.
He's pathetic, abusive, deluded and a piece of shit.
Tell him to leave your home and never let him back in.
Don't let your DCs think this is how relationships are.
Flowers

Miggsie · 22/07/2015 15:01

Attractive men are a nightmare generally - they know they are attractive, trade on it, love the attention. Society then attributes them with having many positive qualities which generally they do not have, and, because they get so much attention, never do develop them and generally are shallow and selfish.

This also goes for attractive women as well, but not as bad IME.

Ok, sweeping generalisation, but attractive people, in our society get a disproportionate amount of attention for very limited societal contribution.

InTheBox · 22/07/2015 15:01

Dancing In all you've said about the status quo, the current circumstances, the past, your feelings. What do you want to happen in the future? What do you see as your next steps?

PenguindreamsofDraco · 22/07/2015 15:11

He minimised and belittled the pivotal role you have played in your children's past (even wishing someone else had donated the genetic material).

He has tried to reduce your influence into your children's lives, undermining you, criticising you, pulling them into the drama.

He tried to write you out of your children's future.

He is showing your children how they should be and what they should expect in a relationship.

I am absolutely open-mouthed at what a number he has done on you that you say you still love him. This is some of the nastiest behaviour I have ever seen.

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 22/07/2015 15:15

AF I know - it isn't her fault, it's his. He says he loves me but his love is conditional on my behaving in a certain way, a way that keeps him front and central in all our lives. In fact I don't think he has really loved me for years. I am a habit, part of the furniture. My (relative) success boosts his ego but he also resents it.

Sausagerollers, we may have children at the same school !

I am going to go away and regroup, talk to my solicitor, start looking at options in respect of selling our house, protecting myself financially. I need to do this quietly and without drama - I can't be drawn back into his and her Jeremy Kyle/Eastenders narrative again. I have felt that I was slowly going mad these last few weeks and your responses have been a source of great solace, information and backbone. Thank you Flowers.

OP posts:
MooJay · 22/07/2015 15:20

Not got any real advice OP, but I cant read this without just popping in to give you plenty of Wine. And to just give my 2 cents worth.
First of all, you do realise that the way your partner looks, is NOT a reflection on your worth. People that truly believe that looks are everything, end up bitter, twisted and insecure, much like the hairy OW in this instance. She is threatened by you, as is you H. And for damn good reason.
You're a strong, and I'll bet damn amazing woman and mother, whose children will most probably surprise her when they find out that Dad has let them down, yet again.
He is, quite simply a douchebag.
One who is so threatened by you as a person he feels the need to run you down in order to remain 'top dog'.
Sorry I tend to ramble, so ill just say,
I wish you all the luck in the world in getting rid as painlessly as possible and in starting your new, positive life as a woman who can relax and be confident in herself and her abilities.
Flowers

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 22/07/2015 15:25

Penguin I know. I feel the crappest mother and yet I've tried so hard to give them a happy and secure childhood. Mine wasn't wonderful - nothing like my H's but a difficult DF and a passive DM. I swore I would never be like that and am, despite all I have written I'm not a remotely passive person. He does love them and they adore him but his immaturity always gets the better of him.

Inthebox - I don't know. Need to get my head sorted and my joie de vivre back. Need to start really living rather than mourning my marriage. So tired though and I know that the next stage is going to be unpleasant. Could happily sleep for a month. Just want not to hurt any more. Probably need to think about antiDs again to give me some headspace.

OP posts:
Dancingtothemusicoftime · 22/07/2015 15:27

Moojay - hairy OW. Thank you - that made me cackle!Grin

OP posts:
Inertia · 22/07/2015 15:44

It's probably also worth thinking about how this is presented to your children- you've started to consider how to protect them from this woman (I'm stunned that she actively lied to get you arrested- might she do the same to your children if they got in the way of her relationship with their father?)

You might also want to think about telling them the truth about your reasons for separating, rather than allowing your husband to get his poor woebegone sob story bullshit out there.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 22/07/2015 15:53

Absolutely agree Inertia. They shouldn't be dragged into the drama but nor should he be allowed to set the narrative.

seagreengirl · 22/07/2015 15:55

Gosh OP I keep returning to this thread praying that you have decided to leave this marriage. You sound so damned lovely, and worth so much more. I have no practical advice to give apart from please leave.

I do believe that your relationship with your DC will improve as well. It may well go through a rocky patch during the break up, when he turns on the self pity, but ultimately they will see the truth of the situation. Wishing you all the best for the months ahead.

TendonQueen · 22/07/2015 16:01

Handsome is as handsome does. Which makes him a very ugly person indeed.

I am immensely angry at him on your behalf having read about his behaviour and, in particular, what he said to your children about her and to her about the children. Such a level of disrespect to the mother of his children can't be undone. You deserve so much better.

I agree with Inertia above that you should consider being reasonably frank with your children now. I would normally think kids should be spared a blow by blow account of this stuff, but I think in your case that would actually be more harmful, as otherwise they will just get his own twisted version of things, and if they aren't able to see at least some of their father's flaws, they will fall prey to them themselves. They'll still love him, but they need to have some idea of what kind of person he is and what his limitations are. Good luck to you.Flowers

Hissy · 22/07/2015 17:10

Ok, I have a poor history with anti depressants, so I won't bother with them again. They did (for me) more harm than good.

This stuff is sad, it's supposed to be sad, you need to feel what that is so you can manage it and emerge the other side. Medicating it away is not going to allow you to move through this (I feel)

Only if it gets to a point where you aren't functioning should you consider this. From here you're hurting, it's agony, excrutiating, but you're still here, still you, still thinking.

You can't see it now, but it will be ok, you will get through this, no matter what happens there is an end to the pain, you will get to the other side of this catastrophe and you will be stronger as a result of it.

You're not on your own in this, you have friends and us here. MN is world wide and 24 hours, remember? We're always going to be here to hand hold if you need us.

Sanctuaryseeker · 22/07/2015 17:10

I grew up in a scenario such as this.

The damage to my siblings and I............

I can't pander to this shit. You are as selfish as your narcissist, if you make your children endure any more of this farce.

You are not admirable for reconciling with a man who dragged your children into his drama.

YOU TOO are abusing your children by putting them through this turmoil.

Hell, you don't even have the excuse that you are a penniless dependent of the pig.

You obviously came here looking for someone to tell you to excuse his latest indiscretion because the poor lamb is grieving.

FIND A BACKBONE AND SOME SELF RESPECT FOR YOUR CHILDREN IF NOT FOR YOURSELF. Angry

Hissy · 22/07/2015 17:14

Age appropriate truth. It's the best way in all occasions.

The family has been lied to enough, betrayed and let down enough. They'll learn one day how much he lied to you all, and if you soft soap them now, they'll think you lied too. Be the one truth, the constant and the rock in their lives. Let their dad work out for himself whAt his lies and betrayal cost him.

Hissy · 22/07/2015 17:15
Hmm

What was it I said about support...

FFS

Sanctuaryseeker · 22/07/2015 17:26

Support your children honey. Hmm

InTheBox · 22/07/2015 17:36

Well Dancing I suppose regardless of what we advise or say ultimately you have to be the one to take decisive action. It sounds as if you're not quite ready and that's ok. Not everyone just throws their partner's clothes out the window and tells them to fuck off to the other side of fuck then fuck off some more.

But you'd do well to think about leaving. He will destroy your confidence, your self-esteem and your autonomy. This isn't the first time you've been at this crossroad before so I assume you already know what would happen if you stay.

For what little it's worth, when I left, I didn't do so because of me. I did so because I kept thinking what if my daughter was with this man. I couldn't square the thought of my daughter being in any sort of abusive relationship. I saw it as my duty to protect and teach her. Neither of which I could have done had I stayed.

Stitchintime1 · 22/07/2015 18:03

You know that these drama queens love this sort of thing. My ex admitted that he found it exciting. The storms, the tears, the emotional rollercoaster. Never mind that his children were bewildered, he was camping on his brother's floor and I was in bits. No, he was having a high old time being the centre of attention. Utter arsehole.

BathtimeFunkster · 22/07/2015 19:52

But when I look back I realise now that he had no anger for her about lying and putting me in that unbelievable situation. And when I shouted at him recently that I couldn't comprehend that he could resume a relationship with a woman who would sink to those depths, he replied that people do 'stupid things' when they are in love and 'want' someone...

Is there a puke emoticon?

He enjoyed that she got you arrested.

It was proof of his power over both of you.

This is not a man who will ever treat you with kindness and love.

He thinks his good looks make him better than you.

He is wrong. His life depends on you. And he knows it, which is why he's still there.

But he resents you enough for that that he's chosen to teach you a little lesson.

He enjoyed reducing you to a begging mess. He was going for another helping of that.

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 22/07/2015 22:05

OP I said yesterday that I'd come back.

In life I am a woman of many words.
I tackle problems by dissecting them every which way, analyzing, debating, thinking from every perspective.

In this case with everything I've read I'll break it down to echo AF's

You have to stop

There's no point and no need to analyze.

There is nothing wrong with you.
There is everything wrong with your relationship.

Do what you need to do for you and your children because your H isn't worth a light. What you thought you had isn't there any more, so gather yourself.
You're stronger than you know and intelligent. Use those assets and make a good life for yourself.

Jermajesty · 22/07/2015 23:57

WTAF? I am absolutely staggered by your story & posts. Your husband has treated you with utter contempt. You are far far too good for him, and deserve to be happy. You won't be if you stay with this waste of skin. Good luck.

Enoughalreadyyou · 23/07/2015 00:03

You sound lovely and I would love to be your friend.

I am a very attractive woman with strong morals, a friendly and warm personality and a highly paid professional. My children got firsts at top universities . My husband meanwhile has paid escorts most of his adult life. I was so shocked I became mentally ill.

So he's good looking. So am I. But the crux of the matter is who you are and what you do with it.

Looks count for nothing. As I have learnt . It's all about them. He would still have done it. It's about low self esteem. He has it not you.

So don't you dare be measured by this excuse for a man. You are worth so much more.

Don't let him bring you down . You sound fabulous.

springydaffs · 23/07/2015 00:58

You are very probably in the shock phase. I was recently in the shock phase (about something else) and I simply couldn't compute what was happening. On one level I understood it clearly but on another level it may as well have been in Swahili.

For me the intense shock lasted about 2 months. All that time I was making plans but it was as if they were for someone else - An Other. I knew what I had to do but I was essentially going through the motions. I couldn't link what had happened to me.

I am still in shock but it's not as bad. I am gradually claiming this shocking story; the guilt, shame, horror are dropping away gradually; I am now able to name it - that's a biggie.

These things take time . It's all very well for us to be incandescent with anger and outrage and to shout LTB!!! and call him every name. But it isn't happening to us, we can see clearly bcs we aren't aren't swaddled in shock as you are.

Your severe tiredness indicates you are currently grappling with severe shock. Which will pass. In the meantime, look after yourself. You know this isn't going to be unraveled in a day and that you have to be canny how you go about it.

Just as long as you do kick his handsome backside out for good once the fog has cleared. And tell the kids why.

franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 23/07/2015 01:02

This idea of someone being good looking to your eye may not be to some ones else's.
When I worked in a huge business a guy started going out with a young woman in my department. Well they were getting married rather quick seems they were loved up and happy. Had a couple of children.
He married her because one of the reasons was he believed she wouldn't cheat on him. She was rather plain not a lot of personally.
But after a period of time they broke up.
She cheated on him.
Maybe she didn't like the feeling of being plain in his eyes many others in this work place but for what ever reasons his idea of thinking he was safe was wrong.
Looks don't count when you you find someone you love. And its what is going on in the marriage and the issues we carry into it that make how the marriage work.
Dancing I hope and wish you strength as you take away the cobwebs that are blocking your view of this marriage.
As everyone says get your ducks in a row and be strong for you and your children.

Best wishes for the coming few weeks.

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