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Husband re-contacting OW - so hurt - very long, sorry

179 replies

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 11:17

Hello, I've NC for this but am a long-time lurker and occasional poster, including about my DH's affair which took place four years ago while I was working temporarily overseas with my company. The support I received at the time was fantastic and assisted me in regaining my emotional sanity after truly despicable behaviour at the hands of H and OW.

The OW used every option to try and destroy me professionally and personally, including making malicious and unfounded complaints to my employer and the police (the latter resulted in her receiving a formal caution) and did the same to my H, after we made the decision to try and rebuild our marriage.

Because of my H's behaviour in the six months after I discovered their affair and before he properly ended it with her, the process of reconciliation has been very challenging and painful as I battled to get over the absolutely dreadful things he said to me about me and my numerous shortcomings in relation to the 'perfect' OW - these ranged across the whole gamut of my looks, my weight, my hair (she has glorious hair - mine is thin and has been a cause of much self-consciousness from a very early age), my lack of sportiness, my poor culinary ability (she has cooked professionally), plus my age - I am 12 years older than her. He now bitterly regrets his cruelty but is has left me with profound emotional scars and my self-confidence about my appearance which was never high anyway, has been decimated.

The situation was complicated by the fact that they worked in the same team as her and it was not until he sought a move of location to a different depot that he seemed able to put the relationship with her behind him and properly focus on us, although her making the numerous allegations she did repeatedly set us back. But he did everything to try and demonstrate his remorse and make clear his determination to seek my forgiveness - NC and blocking her, individual counselling for him and relationship counselling for us, changing the car in which she had given him a regular blow job before he dropped her back home after work, and getting rid of the furniture they had had sex on in our family home during my absence, the job move - which also involved a family house move right across the country (I was fine with this), plus repeatedly and unprompted, expressing his guilt and sorrow. On occasions he has cried about how much he hurt me and our 3 DC.

I have struggled to get over it all and was on antiDs for two years before weening myself off them. I have lived with the niggling fear that he has been going through the motions but reasoned that he could have left if he had really wanted to as she had told her DH she wanted to marry my H and her DH, although devastated, had made it clear to her - and me - that he had no wish to be the consolation prize and would agree to a divorce if my DH did leave me for her. However my H was adamant that it was me he wanted, not her, and said that he knew he had been in the grip of limerence during the affair and for some months after and that the cold turkey approach had been the only solution.

Things have been slowly improving between us but I admit that on occasion my hurt and humiliation can bubble up but I always apologise if I lose it and he responds by apologising too for having given me cause to react that way

  • I can honestly say that she was no longer of any great interest to me and I could even view the entire thing in a fairly objective, almost neutral, manner most (not all!) of the time.

However 4 weeks ago I was woken by a Skype call in the middle of the night. I thought it might be one of my colleagues currently working overseas but was horrified to see it was a missed call from the OW. I immediately woke my H with a 'why the fuck is xxxxxx skypeing me?' - to my devastation he immediately told me everything - showing me the emails between them and the whatsapp conversation. He had re-contacted her at the beginning of the year after we had a difficult Christmas following the sudden and totally unexpected death of his DM, and after being told by his company that the promotion he had long expected was now never going to happen. He said he felt I had been 'fairly supportive' about both events (very unfair particularly about his DM as I arranged the funeral from start to finish, sorted out the money, her small estate etc etc because he was in pieces and his 2 sisters were estranged from their mum) - but he knew that he would get 'more sympathy' from her as she has long made it clear via third parties that she still wants him. There was no resumption of their sexual relationship although in her messages she begged to have sex with him (he refuses in his replies, saying that he could not betray me or the children again in that way), but there is very much an emotional reconnection.

He ended it immediately that day - telephoned her husband to apologise - they had decided to reconcile for the sake of their young DC after my H made it clear after their first affair that he wanted to remain in our marriage. He also sent her an email apologising for getting her hopes up again for purely selfish and egocentric reasons. He swears that he had 'finally' grown up and truly realised how dreadful both the original affair and now this revisiting their emotional affair has been and what a 'complete fool' he has been. He said he had been self-pitying, pathetic and wanted the assurance that he could still have a beautiful woman risk everything in order to be with him. I have no doubt that the OW skyped me in order to provoke a reaction in both him and me but frankly I don't care about her motives.

But despite all that he has now done I feel dead inside. I can not comprehend that he resumed an affair with a woman who had done so much very real damage to both of us! Nor that he wilfully set aside all the shit and hard work we have endured individually and as a couple to really start to rebuild our marriage. I have told him that if he truly loves her I will not stand in their way but he has begged for forgiveness and is adamant that it was a lapse driven by external factors. But when I ask him how long it would have continued had the OW not contacted me, he just says that it would have 'fizzled out' because he had realised that he had 're-opened Pandora's Box' and was 'desperate' to close it again but feared that if he did so too abruptly then based on her past actions, she would wreak havoc again. Certainly the exchanges I have seen between them are unbalanced in the sense that she repeatedly begs for more, to plan for a future together, for sex, while his are very non-committal and almost like an exchange with a close friend rather than a lover. And he does mostly talk about his distress over the death of his DM and how frustrated he is professionally. Unlike their last relationship he writes nothing derogatory about me but does talk about his pride in my professional achievements. But even the latter disgusts me as how DARE he discuss me in any way with her!

I still love him but at the moment I despise him. He did what he knew I feared most in terms of our relationship. He has changed since this latest revelation and seems genuinely committed to gaining my forgiveness. But where will I ever find peace of mind now? Will the next life crisis see him running back to her?? He says not and that he has finally 'woken up'.

I am so very sorry for the length of this but if there is anyone out there who has experienced a similar scenario I would love to hear what the outcome was. Please don't flame me wise mumsnetters for having believed him when he said it was over for good the first time around..

OP posts:
Dilema76 · 21/07/2015 12:42

After all this shit including the horrendous putting you down by commenting on looks etc, why do you still love him?

If you didn't have kids would you stay?

Lonecatwithkitten · 21/07/2015 12:42

Thanks I'm so sorry you are facing this. I have been in a similar situation. With hind sight I don't think ExH wanted to be with me, but he wanted to tell everyone he had tried. I know he maintains that I ended our marriage, yes I did, but only after he refused to stop contacting OW.
I have learned to love myself and know that I am a valuable person and no one who really loved me would have treated me like that.
There have been tough times for both me and my DC, but we are better off now than we were living in that situation.

Vernazza · 21/07/2015 13:00

OMG how did I miss this part the first time around!!?? "He said he had been self-pitying, pathetic and wanted the assurance that he could still have a beautiful woman risk everything in order to be with him."

Well THAT need is only going to intensify as he gets older and more wrinkled, loses his hair and teeth. What a complete toss pot loser. Dancing, if it's not this woman he uses to prop up his self-esteem, it'll be another one later on. Please believe it and dump this sack of shit. As others have said, don't waste any more of your precious years.

jenenberry · 21/07/2015 13:19

Dear OP,
It must be thoroughly exhausting being you! To always be wondering whether he is up to his old tricks - always on high alert Sad
Do you honestly want to spend the rest of your marriage constantly on high alert to whether he is in contact with her (or a new OW, he is obviously easily flattered by female attention).

I have never said it before on here, because it sometimes seems like a cruel thing to say.
But it seems to me as if you deserve better and also need a rest and some peace in your life.

So I am unequivocally going to say a big, fat

LTB

magoria · 21/07/2015 13:20

He has been lying to your face and contacting her for 7 months.

He know the massive damage he did to you last time.

He wanted contact with her more than he cared about hurting you again.

If she hadn't contact you to drop him in the shit he would still be doing this.

This man has no respect for you, your feelings or your marriage.

jenenberry · 21/07/2015 13:21

And that should be in Bold

LTB

Flowers
Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 13:22

Thank you so much for your insight and kindness - I expected a flaming for my belief that our marriage was on the road to recovery. I do think the OW has issues; she stalked us very badly last time, even involving her DCs. The police officer who advised me was shocked by the lengths she had gone to to be everywhere he/we were. I hated her first time around - to be frank I wished her dead such was the awfulness of her behaviour. But I also accept he had promised her the world and then reneged on their shared vision of a 'perfect' life together with our DCs and hers Hmm. I,incidentally, was supposed to quietly remove myself from the scene and go and live in a flat somewhere - minus my children! I soon put him right on that.

This time round I think she has been used but equally the ego-boost for her has been considerable. She was so furious that he decided to stay with 'ugly, old' (her words) me that I can only imagine how smug she felt when he re initiated contact. Out of interest I looked at her Twitter comments (she is a prolific poster on social media) the day I now know he sent the first message to her this time around and it is there in black and white - crowing in 140 characters if one reads between the lines.

I think there are added complexities as well - like Peppermint's former partner he is younger than me; he is the one with exceptional good looks (to the point that even though he is in his late 40's he is still regularly asked if he is/has been a model) whereas I am very ordinary. He placed great value on the OW's looks and physique and wanted to be able to show her off as 'every man' would envy him. I am more successful professionally than him, more academic - I care not a jot about either of those things and admire his many achievements despite a truly crap background and rubbish start in life - but he will focus on them during rows and said at the time that the OW was 'easy' to be with as she 'looked up' to him.

I genuinely don't know what to do. Our children who are teen and pre-teen absolutely adore him and will always take his side in any dispute. We have been together nearly 25 years, married 20 - he has been and still is my life. I miss him so much when I am away from him and can't imagine my life without him. But equally the PP who said that it will all, eventually, be my fault is right. The subtle and not so subtle shifting of blame is already underway. The OWs DH has told me that we should both let them be with each other as he feels that such are their egos they will last only a couple of weeks before the gilt wears off the gingerbread. He has decided to legally separate from her such is his hurt. So she is, technically, free to be with my H.

I am paralysed with the pain of it all and also the sheer cruelty of his behaviour. He said, when I found out, that he had thought at the time that I was so paranoid about him re contacting her that I had 'probably' been expecting it so he may as well do it anyway...

I have been very unwell, a serious illness that could have killed me. Mercifully I am over it but when I was at my most ill, probably unfairly I asked him if he would be with her if I died. He hotly denied that he would ever contemplate such a thing but I remember thinking that he couldn't look me in the eye. Now I know why.

I have taken some legal advice already in the days immediately after I was skyped by OW. But at the moment I feel caught in stasis, unable to make a decision either way and am just coping day by day. I have managed to keep it from the children who have been doing exams but feel so old, so frightened, so unattractive - just shit really. He seems to want me to be normal - not quite 'get over it' but rejoice that he has finally seen the light. But if I don't end the marriage he will leave me for her one day, won't he?

So sorry about my ramblings but it is such a relief to get it all out. By the way, the few very close girlfriends who know are disgusted at this turn of events and have said they have no wish to socialise with him again..

OP posts:
StaircaseAtTheUniversity · 21/07/2015 13:24

You're better than this. You can be happy. There's a different and better life out there for you, please go and persue it. Life is short and this is a waste.

jenenberry · 21/07/2015 13:26

Do you want to stay with someone who you fear really wants to be with someone else?

That's the question to ask yourself.

jenenberry · 21/07/2015 13:27

And another thing.
They're the ones making you feel old, frightened and unattractive (
I bet you are anything but.

MiddleAgedandConfused · 21/07/2015 13:32

Going a bit against the grain here but grief makes people do the strangest things. Losing his DM so suddenly could have had a serious impact. I'm not defending him for one second, but his judgement may have been affected by this huge and unexpected loss.

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 13:35

Jenenberry I told him that he must be with her if he loves her and can't imagine life without her but he is adamant he does not want her, describing her as beautiful but shallow. He says I am 'amazing' and 'remarkable' but my amazing-ness and remarkable qualities seem not to be enough to keep him from her!

OP posts:
shovetheholly · 21/07/2015 13:37

"the OW was 'easy' to be with as she 'looked up' to him."

He is pathetic. Just pathetic.

Dancing - I want you to read back a paragraph to yourself. The one where you acknowledge that you are more successful and smarter than he is. And to think about why you don't value those traits in yourself, and why you're instead envious of this horrible-sounding woman just because she can go to the gym and throw things around in a saucepan!! Seriously, you sound so much more impressive than she is. The fact that your DH actually seems to be intimidated by the very things that make you strong speaks volumes about his inadequacy, really.

And BOLLOCKS to the 'old and unattractive' thing. I bet you're fabulous. And even if you do feel like you're struggling a bit physically, if you had half a chance to take care of yourself instead of being consumed by anxiety and his neediness, I bet you'd be fit as a fiddle.

I am hand-holding a friend at the moment who is also going through awful betrayal. Because there is another woman involved, she can't stop thinking about it as a 'competition' for her husband. She's caught up in a narrative that he and the other women have set up and in which she cannot win. If she stays, they will pity her as a doormat and it will excuse his behaviour. If she goes, then they will have 'won'. But what's the prize? A guy who can't keep it in his pants, who is a serial cheat. What she can't see is that she is so very, very far above them and that she can leave and slam the door on all of their screwed logic and start up her own narrative.

Dowser · 21/07/2015 13:38

I can equate with all of your last posts. I was more I telligent, more academic than my ex and how ow too but she was ten years younger.

I too felt old and ugly and let me guess probably ten years older than you. I was 52 when all the shenanigans started.

Believe me you will blossom once you've cut him free. I was married 30 years so I know you're panic.

Her husband is so right in his summing up of them.

You can't be happy with this man. He's proved he has form . Mine had too.

It will get better I promise you. It also shows he has a nasty cruel side as did mine and that will come to the fore if he doesn't get his own way.

You've been so sensible seeking legal advice.

My ex's ow got sick of his dithering that she dumped him and married someone else. Still there was someone else to take her place. Thank god. I might have been stuck with him ( as he was secretly messing around)

One step at a time eh?

abearcalledpaddington · 21/07/2015 13:38

OP please don't stay with this man, get away from him. It will hurt for a while and you will get over it, and maybe meet someone who will treat you nicely, there are nice men out there that don't lie and cheat and call you old and ugly. Flowers

Janette123 · 21/07/2015 13:39

Dancing to the music,
I am sorry you are going through this, and I feel your pain.

I agree with other posters, now is the time to put the lid on this and file for divorce.
What you have just described is "false reconciliation", which is a common practice by cheaters to get things back on a reasonably even keel so they can re-start the affair in the future.

" but he has begged for forgiveness and is adamant that it was a lapse driven by external factors"

do not believe one word of this ^
What, he's blaming his affair on the weather, or the price of Sterling on the Stock Market? Absolute hogwash. It was a lapse driven by his internal factors. No-one made him do it, he planned to do it and he did do it.

If you husband chooses to go back into a relationship with someone who is obviously 3 sarnies short of a picnic, then you must question his mental processes. Do you want to continue live with in this nightmare with this person who IMO is unstable?

Unpalatable as it seems, you now need to take control of the situation and make that solicitor's appointment.

I'm sorry x

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 13:39

Middle that is exactly what his counsellor said to him, my GP said to me and also the first reason he gave me when I got her Skype call. Hence my confusion and paralysis. He is totally devastated over his DM who tried very hard to physically protect him from his violent and terrible F when he was little. F ended up in prison due to the violence he indicted on my H's DM and my H and DM suffered permanent semi-disability due to her injuries although it was not that that killed her.

OP posts:
Inertia · 21/07/2015 13:44

You deserve so much better than this.

IrianofWay · 21/07/2015 13:48

Pathetic man! Angry If you have an affair and insist you want to reconcile then you have to be all in. it's hard hard work and yes, for a while you will feel like the lowest of the low, and your ego may be shredded...but them's the breaks. He was too weak and selfish to do it properly. A WS is not the victim when they create the situation themselves. Dump!

BloodontheTracks · 21/07/2015 13:48

Well it would make sense then he finds comfort in the adoration, protection and attention of women when he feels anxious or frightened.

The fact that we can explain a lot of our worst behaviour is not really the same as being able to change it. Though there may be complex reasons feeding into the why he is infidelitous, weak and dishonest, that does not mean you should have to put up with it. Everybody has their reasons, it is both the tragedy and comfort of life. It isn't about him at this point, it is about you.

You have been brutally and profoundly hurt by this man. You have been changed forever by what he's done to you. And he has re-enacted it on you again, without admitting it or exploring what he was feeling with you. This level of betrayal would be impossible for most people to ever come back from, let alone the likelihood he would do something similar in the future.

You do not need to keep leaning forward to understand HIM. His actions have made his character very plain. You need to work out what you want for your life, and I would suggest one that does not revolve around him.

Jan45 · 21/07/2015 13:49

Sorry his mother died, so did mine, it didn't make me want to go and cheat on my partner, that's life, shit happens, what will he do the next time there's a life changing event, it's all just excuses for bad behaviour. Until you show him you are not available no matter what, he has no incentive at all to give her up and work on the marriage.

Notasinglefuckwasgiven · 21/07/2015 13:51

Kick him out. Get him gone before he has you so crushed you believe that you must tolerate his childish need for validation because you won't find anyone better.
You already ARE better. You have you. I know it's scary. I've been divorced twice. But staying is worse.

Anyone else wanting to find this crazy stalking woman child on Twitter? Lots can be said in 140 characters

Somethingtodo · 21/07/2015 13:54

MiddleAged - I agreed that grief does make you do strange things - it makes you realise that life is short, that you should live your dreams and you want to do things that make you feel alive -- was he exploring these angle's with the reconnection but found it wasnt there?

It did not progress and it seems he was the one who chose to hold back and tried to "manage her away" once he had made the first fatal contact.

I think that if he did want to leave you for her he would have done the first time and most definitely this second time.

I think he is a fantasist who needs his ego stroked and this is what they get from each other - the OW DH has it spot on - let them shatter their own illusions.

But at the end of the day a relationship has to have respect and trust going both ways - he is has not shown you any respect and you cant trust him to show you respect.

morethanpotatoprints · 21/07/2015 13:57

He is making me angry too OP, you deserve far better than this.
it's just one excuse after another and if he thinks saying sorry is good enough he just carries on.
He has ruined your self esteem and treated you terribly, this is something you don't do to somebody you love.
The way he treated you after the affair is unforgivable and getting in touch with her again is unforgivable imo. They are far worse than the affair itself.
You will never be rid of this and I bet if you left him you're confidence would improve instantly.
You deserve a good life not one that includes looking over your shoulder and him apologising for making your life shit all the time.
So sorry your dh is such an arse and you are going through more hurt, again.

MatildaTheCat · 21/07/2015 13:58

OP, I'm so sorry for all your pain. I have a genuine question: why are you leaving it to him to decide what he wants? You will let him go if that what he wants? F**k that. YOU are the injured party, very deeply wounded and you are the one who decides if there is any future in this relationship.

If you stick around here you will likely realise that a man who does this to his lovely wife not once but twice doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as you. He will do it again and even if he doesn't get the chance you will spend your life trying to be good enough and wondering.

Ask him to leave and then you take control of this situation. Very best wishes.Flowers