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Husband re-contacting OW - so hurt - very long, sorry

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Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 11:17

Hello, I've NC for this but am a long-time lurker and occasional poster, including about my DH's affair which took place four years ago while I was working temporarily overseas with my company. The support I received at the time was fantastic and assisted me in regaining my emotional sanity after truly despicable behaviour at the hands of H and OW.

The OW used every option to try and destroy me professionally and personally, including making malicious and unfounded complaints to my employer and the police (the latter resulted in her receiving a formal caution) and did the same to my H, after we made the decision to try and rebuild our marriage.

Because of my H's behaviour in the six months after I discovered their affair and before he properly ended it with her, the process of reconciliation has been very challenging and painful as I battled to get over the absolutely dreadful things he said to me about me and my numerous shortcomings in relation to the 'perfect' OW - these ranged across the whole gamut of my looks, my weight, my hair (she has glorious hair - mine is thin and has been a cause of much self-consciousness from a very early age), my lack of sportiness, my poor culinary ability (she has cooked professionally), plus my age - I am 12 years older than her. He now bitterly regrets his cruelty but is has left me with profound emotional scars and my self-confidence about my appearance which was never high anyway, has been decimated.

The situation was complicated by the fact that they worked in the same team as her and it was not until he sought a move of location to a different depot that he seemed able to put the relationship with her behind him and properly focus on us, although her making the numerous allegations she did repeatedly set us back. But he did everything to try and demonstrate his remorse and make clear his determination to seek my forgiveness - NC and blocking her, individual counselling for him and relationship counselling for us, changing the car in which she had given him a regular blow job before he dropped her back home after work, and getting rid of the furniture they had had sex on in our family home during my absence, the job move - which also involved a family house move right across the country (I was fine with this), plus repeatedly and unprompted, expressing his guilt and sorrow. On occasions he has cried about how much he hurt me and our 3 DC.

I have struggled to get over it all and was on antiDs for two years before weening myself off them. I have lived with the niggling fear that he has been going through the motions but reasoned that he could have left if he had really wanted to as she had told her DH she wanted to marry my H and her DH, although devastated, had made it clear to her - and me - that he had no wish to be the consolation prize and would agree to a divorce if my DH did leave me for her. However my H was adamant that it was me he wanted, not her, and said that he knew he had been in the grip of limerence during the affair and for some months after and that the cold turkey approach had been the only solution.

Things have been slowly improving between us but I admit that on occasion my hurt and humiliation can bubble up but I always apologise if I lose it and he responds by apologising too for having given me cause to react that way

  • I can honestly say that she was no longer of any great interest to me and I could even view the entire thing in a fairly objective, almost neutral, manner most (not all!) of the time.

However 4 weeks ago I was woken by a Skype call in the middle of the night. I thought it might be one of my colleagues currently working overseas but was horrified to see it was a missed call from the OW. I immediately woke my H with a 'why the fuck is xxxxxx skypeing me?' - to my devastation he immediately told me everything - showing me the emails between them and the whatsapp conversation. He had re-contacted her at the beginning of the year after we had a difficult Christmas following the sudden and totally unexpected death of his DM, and after being told by his company that the promotion he had long expected was now never going to happen. He said he felt I had been 'fairly supportive' about both events (very unfair particularly about his DM as I arranged the funeral from start to finish, sorted out the money, her small estate etc etc because he was in pieces and his 2 sisters were estranged from their mum) - but he knew that he would get 'more sympathy' from her as she has long made it clear via third parties that she still wants him. There was no resumption of their sexual relationship although in her messages she begged to have sex with him (he refuses in his replies, saying that he could not betray me or the children again in that way), but there is very much an emotional reconnection.

He ended it immediately that day - telephoned her husband to apologise - they had decided to reconcile for the sake of their young DC after my H made it clear after their first affair that he wanted to remain in our marriage. He also sent her an email apologising for getting her hopes up again for purely selfish and egocentric reasons. He swears that he had 'finally' grown up and truly realised how dreadful both the original affair and now this revisiting their emotional affair has been and what a 'complete fool' he has been. He said he had been self-pitying, pathetic and wanted the assurance that he could still have a beautiful woman risk everything in order to be with him. I have no doubt that the OW skyped me in order to provoke a reaction in both him and me but frankly I don't care about her motives.

But despite all that he has now done I feel dead inside. I can not comprehend that he resumed an affair with a woman who had done so much very real damage to both of us! Nor that he wilfully set aside all the shit and hard work we have endured individually and as a couple to really start to rebuild our marriage. I have told him that if he truly loves her I will not stand in their way but he has begged for forgiveness and is adamant that it was a lapse driven by external factors. But when I ask him how long it would have continued had the OW not contacted me, he just says that it would have 'fizzled out' because he had realised that he had 're-opened Pandora's Box' and was 'desperate' to close it again but feared that if he did so too abruptly then based on her past actions, she would wreak havoc again. Certainly the exchanges I have seen between them are unbalanced in the sense that she repeatedly begs for more, to plan for a future together, for sex, while his are very non-committal and almost like an exchange with a close friend rather than a lover. And he does mostly talk about his distress over the death of his DM and how frustrated he is professionally. Unlike their last relationship he writes nothing derogatory about me but does talk about his pride in my professional achievements. But even the latter disgusts me as how DARE he discuss me in any way with her!

I still love him but at the moment I despise him. He did what he knew I feared most in terms of our relationship. He has changed since this latest revelation and seems genuinely committed to gaining my forgiveness. But where will I ever find peace of mind now? Will the next life crisis see him running back to her?? He says not and that he has finally 'woken up'.

I am so very sorry for the length of this but if there is anyone out there who has experienced a similar scenario I would love to hear what the outcome was. Please don't flame me wise mumsnetters for having believed him when he said it was over for good the first time around..

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AnyFucker · 22/07/2015 07:24

sometimes there are just no words to help comprehend why women stay with men like this

Onmyownwith4kids · 22/07/2015 07:47

The hardest thing I ever did was walk away from a similar situation. It felt like I'd failed. It's not been easy. I'm now a single mum of 4 holding down a stressful job. My ex did take up with his ow. They're buying a house. He constantly texts me saying he's not happy, misses me etc. I don't think men like this who need someone constantly massaging their ego are capable of real happiness. It's taken walking away, starting divorce proceedings, resisting the 'we were meant to be,' crying on the floor, self pitying displays from him to see who he really is. I've got from dancing around like an idiot trying to make him happy and 'win' him back to feeling sorry for the woman who 'won' leaving is so hard but it's also the only way forward. It was the best thing I did. He said I was too controlling because I did everything and like you paid the bills, main wage earner etc. now realise I was allowing a weak shallow man to control how I felt about myself. It's taken time but life is getting better and better. It will for you too. You sound far too good for this pathetic specimen.

MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 22/07/2015 07:57

The way he involved your children in his fantasy is outrageous. The way she involved herself in their lives is unbelievable. Both are evidence of the self-centrered, me-me-me attitudes of the pair of them.

Knowing that he behaved this way when he was with her and knowing what she is capable of, the fact he re-established contact with her is truly shocking and totally unforgivable. You might want it to work out and you might try but sometimes the damage is too great and it can't be undone. The resentment about how he has behaved, the fact he did it twice, the lies and lack of trust and the 'waiting for it to happen again' will slowly embitter and destroy. All while he says you are criminalising him and if you're expecting him to contact her he may as well!! Do you want to waste years finding that out?

Make a list of the shitty, manipulative, self-serving, unsupportive, damaging and hurtful things he's done and said and then think objectively about whether you want or need someone like him. Set yourself free from this drama he has created where the leading man and hero is him. You might be surprised too about who your children would 'choose'. He might be 'fun' dad but you are their constant, stable rock. Ultimately, chn respond to that, it's what makes them who they are.

shovetheholly · 22/07/2015 08:22

Mistoffelees said "Make a list of the shitty, manipulative, self-serving, unsupportive, damaging and hurtful things he's done and said and then think objectively about whether you want or need someone like him."

I think this is really, REALLY good advice.

What happens to so many of us in these situations is that there is a lag between the intellectual/cerebral awareness of 'Oh shit, this has happened' and the emotional reaction of falling out of love with the person, deciding to leave and move on etc. In that gap, you feel very lost and vulnerable - because you still feel like you love the person, even though your head says that you shouldn't and that you can't really keep going in the relationship. The force of habit is a tremendously powerful thing, and leaving is frightening and uncertain. You can easily end up feeling paralysed and uncertain and unable to take any step at all.

Making that list, in plain and unemotive language, of the things that have actually happened helps it to sink in and enables you to let your emotions catch up. And it's also a useful tool whenever you have those wobbly days when you consider going back.

WorzelsCornyBrows · 22/07/2015 08:31

This twunt wanted to run off into the sunset with OW and your children and you still love him? Good grief, you sound so broken and I'm not surprised, with each update you provide further evidence that he is bordering on abusive.

Please find your anger and deal with him accordingly, he doesn't deserve the happy family.

Fluffycloudland77 · 22/07/2015 08:35

I'd leave. His behaviour to your kids on its own is unforgivable.

YouBastardSockBalls · 22/07/2015 08:43

He's a bastard. Leave him.

You need to find your anger, sharpish Flowers

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 22/07/2015 08:59

AF, you said very similar when I posted last time - I know Blush but I also genuinely thought that he wholeheartedly wanted to reconcile. He certainly did -apparently - all that the betraying partner is supposed to do to try and repair a relationship. I had no idea just over four weeks ago what was about to hit me again. And if she hadn't skyped, whether it be by accident or design, I suspect I still wouldn't know. Apart from his work issues and the heartbreak of his DM's death, for all intents and purposes he seemed normal.

To those who think I may be setting a rubbish example to the children, please believe me that they have seen me repeatedly stand up to him over the years, and despite my broken-ness four years ago, I fought back against both his dreadful behaviour and her shocking actions. I know all about defending myself having had the humiliation and horror of being interviewed under caution by a police officer after she made false allegations that I had physically attacked her. Thank god for my brilliant solicitor as I was in such a state of shock to be present in that police interview room due to my H's intimate involvement with this woman that I could barely string together a coherent sentence. I recall someone writing on here that they thought they would be the first person who had died from sobbing. Well that summed up how I was that terrible night. But when I look back I realise now that he had no anger for her about lying and putting me in that unbelievable situation. And when I shouted at him recently that I couldn't comprehend that he could resume a relationship with a woman who would sink to those depths, he replied that people do 'stupid things' when they are in love and 'want' someone...

I know he's a shit, I know I have facilitated the lovely home and his not having to worry too much about anything because as a PP has said, I too am a doer and a fixer. He has called that controlling but when I try and encourage him to take an interest in our finances or even sorting out things like council tax or our mysteriously huge water bill, he won't. When I met him he had a CCJ against him for unpaid council tax, not because of a lack of income to pay it with, but because he refused to engage with the adult world of bills and lawful obligations. But he and the OW will be fine in that regard as she is very savvy financially so he won't have to trouble his pretty head about paying utilities in that relationship either.

I do see all this for what it is, and I know he is weak, needy, vain. But I loved him over for many years despite all that because he also does have some fine qualities. Those have fast disappeared behind his now prevalent sense of entitlement and being hard done by. I have read Baggage Reclaim and yes I did do the Pick Me dance first time around, but not this time.

I'm getting there, it is just taking time to process. I am a logical and normally very calm person - I can see both sides of arguments and can argue for either so my natural instinct is not to rush off and serve him with divorce papers. That will come but in the meantime I am beginning to take steps to protect myself financially as I too feel he will become very unpleasant once he realises I am on my way out. And if he is with her I know for sure that she will encourage him to push for every penny from me.

I loved the female Gordon Ramsay comment - think of her as Angelina Jolie's prettier sister, whisking up a perfect meal. Really not great for my ego! I know that's superficial but,hey, it still hurts like hell.

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PeppermintPasty · 22/07/2015 09:07

Oh Dancing, I think you are still holding out for a miracle.

It isn't going to happen. You have to find your courage and start to unhitch yourself mentally and physically from this man. He has already done a number on you and damaged his children.

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 22/07/2015 09:09

Shovetheholly - yes, spot on - there is definitely a time lag between my taking in the reality of his behaviour and my heart switching off. It is analogous I think to my heart being on life-support and the machines being switched off but my heart battling on but gradually fading away.

He admitted that the sunset and happy family scenario was an appalling thing to say and has since frequently expressed regret and shame about it. Had he continued in the same vein as he behaved in those first six months I assure you I would have been long gone. The problem is that he hasn't - he seemed to be back in love with me but when the going was difficult with his DM's death and his work issues, he turned to her. It's crap.

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Dancingtothemusicoftime · 22/07/2015 09:14

Peppermint I know you are right. I believe in marriage, I believe in the for better, for worse. I am trying to be brave. My heart is broken, again.

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chickenfuckingpox · 22/07/2015 09:19

dancing its time you left you did your best but its really not worth it is it Flowers

MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 22/07/2015 09:23

I too am objective and logical and see both sides of an argument. This can be irritating because it would be so much easier to have a set black and white view rather than a foot in both camps! In these threads where others scream LTB! I often think there are other options first.

However, in this case, his behaviour is so awful, so immature, selfish and cruel and, even worse, he has started the relationship up again that I don't see a way back. His justifications (people do crazy things when they're in love!!) make me cringe. If he feels that way, let him go to her. He doesn't need to martyr himself by staying with you, though how kind of him to try. He just lurves the drama doesn't he?! Causing maximum chaos with him at the centre enjoying the battle over him. And always ready with the put down for you if you dare to express any sadness or pain about how he has behaved.

He'll go to her (prepare yourself, this will be your fault for kicking him out) and he'll be angry with you for breaking up the family home. He'll then keep sending you texts saying his misses you and wants to try again. When he sees you he'll bring up happy memories and make you feel guilty about the children, probably whilst also sending mixed signals by dropping in subtle comments about the virtues and wonder of the psycho-stalking-accidental-skyping Gordina Ramsetter to undermine your confidence and make you think you want him back so you can feel better about yourself.

Forget how handsome he is and the fact he can be decent and good at times. It pales into insignificance compared to the endless drama he has created around himself. Listen to ladies on here who have found happiness since getting rid of their useless husbands. It's hard, it wasn't the plan and it hurts like hell but you only live once - don't allow him to treat you like this.

JonesTheSteam · 22/07/2015 09:24

And when I shouted at him recently that I couldn't comprehend that he could resume a relationship with a woman who would sink to those depths, he replied that people do 'stupid things' when they are in love and 'want' someone...

Was he talking about himself still loving and wanting her, or trying to justify her despicable behaviour following the affair?

JonesTheSteam · 22/07/2015 09:37

Actually that's not really relevant is it? Either way, it isn't good.

tallwivglasses · 22/07/2015 09:41

That above all else infuriates me. She got you arrested. That should have made him despise her, not carry on the affair and then resume it. No, actually it was the involvement of his dc. That he wanted to continue the relationship after she dragged the dc into it is unforgivable. Please OP, see that no relationship is better than this nightmare Sad

PenguindreamsofDraco · 22/07/2015 09:53

Would you just read your posts again? (In fact, read your posts from last time too). WTAF are you thinking, even contemplating giving him a third chance? READ what he said to your children, how he was content to write you out of their lives. I think that is one of the worst things I have read on MN.

Good God woman, what would it take for you to put an end to this?

I posted initially because your pain was leaping off the screen. However to quote the ever-wise Jilly Cooper, who knew a thing or two about infidelity, if you walk into a torture chamber and ask to be tortured, you can't really complain about the pain.

dreamingofblueskies · 22/07/2015 09:58

The OW might have nicer hair than you, but she's a nasty bitch and you're not, and in the scheme of things I know who I would prefer to spend time with.

Your husband is a vile man who has shown time and time again that he doesn't give a toss about who he hurts as long as he gets what he wants.

I know that it is hard to get up the energy to leave, but I hope you do soon, you deserve so much better than him. Flowers

Hissy · 22/07/2015 10:17

This man's betrayal and contempt for you is so saddening! I truly feel for you and hope that we can all collectively give you the strength to get through this and out the other side.

He truly does not deserve someone as wonderful as you.

Stitchintime1 · 22/07/2015 10:19

Your posts are so painful. I truly wish that you find your way through this.

Vernazza · 22/07/2015 10:20

Dancing, he will do everything in his power to magnify his "wonderful" traits, act contrite etc. But at the end of the day it is clear that he doesn't love you. He just doesn't honey. He loves your money and he loves the lifestyle you provide him. And he will pretend and say whatever it takes to keep that comfort in place. He will express regret and shame and WHATEVER IT TAKES to keep you - because you are his money source!!! He is taking you for a fool, using you as a cash cow and you are allowing it.

I know you had hope after the first time and good on you for trying and giving it your all. But he has proven to you that you mean very little to him, your pain means nothing and he is a selfish self-centred worship-seeking immature man. Stresses will continue to come into his life, other people he loves will die. And the pattern will repeat.

One of the wisest things I've ever heard was When someone shows you who they are, believe them. This is who he is. Someone who used you and spoke about you with no respect and treated you despicably. Someone who loves a hideous cruel woman. Not the good strong woman. No. The psychotic arm candy. Please realise that you will never be what he wants - apart from your money.

No one can walk over us unless we lie down. Is it time to stand up? To stop letting yourself be used and abused? To value yourself and respect yourself for being strong instead of allowing yourself to be used as his consolation prize cash cow? I really don't want that to sound harsh and I am sorry that it does. But we are sitting out here reading your story and seeing it very objectively. Any good traits he has pale in comparison to his cruelty towards you and his selfish decisions. That he would still be enthralled by having "a beautiful woman" love him makes me want to vomit. She is anything but beautiful on the inside but all he sees is the surface. What a sad little man. He kicks you and kicks you and shits all over your life and if you let this one go, he'll get better at hiding his tracks and continue laughing all the way to the bank.

Get your finances secured and fast - I can guarantee you he is worried you will wake up and is working on keeping his little fountain of gold flowing.

LadyofDunedin · 22/07/2015 10:25

OP , I'm really sorry you're going through this- again. But history does sound like it's repeating itself and meanwhile you drive yourself more and more insane with worry / fear - anxiety - or at least I did all of these things.

Although not quite the same circumstances, my ex was on FB to another woman / Skype and lying blatantly. I only found out as I saw it on our iPod through the Facebook app innocently enough when I was using the iPod for tune in radio !

My point is, these few months when I thought 'I finally got through to him' ruined me emotionally- and mentally. I still have trust issues and I'm afraid to say it made me clingy, needy and nervous all the time. I only began to lose these feelings when I had the strength to take control and walk away.

You say he wants to reconcile etc, but what about you here? This , in my experience, is a vicious circle that ends up in fear and self loathing.

I really wish you the best and you have the courage to see this situation for what it is.

NeitherHereOrThere · 22/07/2015 10:27

Ego kibbles - in case you have not read this...

Fromparistoberlin73 · 22/07/2015 10:33
Flowers

to be honest I fucking hate your DH, how dare he make you feel shit about yourself. I am FUMING reading this. he sounds like a cruel piece of shit

and how on earth could be connect with someone that5 fucked you over like this

you deserve so much better OP XXXX

I just have to say I am flabbergasted at his cruelty

you and your 3 DC deserve better

this is NOT love

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 22/07/2015 10:38

Penguin I'm really not contemplating giving him a third chance - I came on here to hear some other perspectives as my GP and his counsellor both said that when people are grieving or depressed, one of the outcomes can be that they make risky choices that they would normally avoid. He has repeatedly said that he re-contacted her and began the relationship again due to feeling out of control in his life (DM, work) and that he knew she adored him unconditionally and would be more sympathetic than he claimed I was being.

I know that is self-serving shit but we have both worked really had over the last four years to rebuild a relationship he had decimated with his first affair. I am still coming to terms with the fact that since earlier this year he had been in a relationship again with her and this time around seemingly able to run it as an adjunct to ours rather than seek to replace me as his public partner with her.

I am angry but I am also exhausted and struggling to find the energy to do anything other than function like an automaton at work and care for my children when I am at home. He lurches between blithe normality and frustration with my hurt. I suppose he thought I would never find out and that he could have his ego boosted by her while appearing to have successfully rebuilt his marriage. I imagine he didn't reckon on her determination to ensure that this time round, she got her man.

So this is both old and new territory for me, the difference being this time around that there is no begging from me. I won't be the first woman to have sought reconciliation after a partner's affair so I think it is pretty tough to suggest I am a volunteer in this. Yes, I volunteered to remain within my marriage if there was a hope of repairing it, and he wanted to do that too, but to suggest that I in any way tacitly condoned this latest behaviour by him is very unfair. I am in bloody agony, not because I am some kind of masochist but because he has proved again to be a sadist.

Jones my expression was clumsy - he was defending the OW's actions in making the allegations to the police, not his own response. But as you say, either way it doesn't look good. In fact it's dreadful.

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