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Husband re-contacting OW - so hurt - very long, sorry

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Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 11:17

Hello, I've NC for this but am a long-time lurker and occasional poster, including about my DH's affair which took place four years ago while I was working temporarily overseas with my company. The support I received at the time was fantastic and assisted me in regaining my emotional sanity after truly despicable behaviour at the hands of H and OW.

The OW used every option to try and destroy me professionally and personally, including making malicious and unfounded complaints to my employer and the police (the latter resulted in her receiving a formal caution) and did the same to my H, after we made the decision to try and rebuild our marriage.

Because of my H's behaviour in the six months after I discovered their affair and before he properly ended it with her, the process of reconciliation has been very challenging and painful as I battled to get over the absolutely dreadful things he said to me about me and my numerous shortcomings in relation to the 'perfect' OW - these ranged across the whole gamut of my looks, my weight, my hair (she has glorious hair - mine is thin and has been a cause of much self-consciousness from a very early age), my lack of sportiness, my poor culinary ability (she has cooked professionally), plus my age - I am 12 years older than her. He now bitterly regrets his cruelty but is has left me with profound emotional scars and my self-confidence about my appearance which was never high anyway, has been decimated.

The situation was complicated by the fact that they worked in the same team as her and it was not until he sought a move of location to a different depot that he seemed able to put the relationship with her behind him and properly focus on us, although her making the numerous allegations she did repeatedly set us back. But he did everything to try and demonstrate his remorse and make clear his determination to seek my forgiveness - NC and blocking her, individual counselling for him and relationship counselling for us, changing the car in which she had given him a regular blow job before he dropped her back home after work, and getting rid of the furniture they had had sex on in our family home during my absence, the job move - which also involved a family house move right across the country (I was fine with this), plus repeatedly and unprompted, expressing his guilt and sorrow. On occasions he has cried about how much he hurt me and our 3 DC.

I have struggled to get over it all and was on antiDs for two years before weening myself off them. I have lived with the niggling fear that he has been going through the motions but reasoned that he could have left if he had really wanted to as she had told her DH she wanted to marry my H and her DH, although devastated, had made it clear to her - and me - that he had no wish to be the consolation prize and would agree to a divorce if my DH did leave me for her. However my H was adamant that it was me he wanted, not her, and said that he knew he had been in the grip of limerence during the affair and for some months after and that the cold turkey approach had been the only solution.

Things have been slowly improving between us but I admit that on occasion my hurt and humiliation can bubble up but I always apologise if I lose it and he responds by apologising too for having given me cause to react that way

  • I can honestly say that she was no longer of any great interest to me and I could even view the entire thing in a fairly objective, almost neutral, manner most (not all!) of the time.

However 4 weeks ago I was woken by a Skype call in the middle of the night. I thought it might be one of my colleagues currently working overseas but was horrified to see it was a missed call from the OW. I immediately woke my H with a 'why the fuck is xxxxxx skypeing me?' - to my devastation he immediately told me everything - showing me the emails between them and the whatsapp conversation. He had re-contacted her at the beginning of the year after we had a difficult Christmas following the sudden and totally unexpected death of his DM, and after being told by his company that the promotion he had long expected was now never going to happen. He said he felt I had been 'fairly supportive' about both events (very unfair particularly about his DM as I arranged the funeral from start to finish, sorted out the money, her small estate etc etc because he was in pieces and his 2 sisters were estranged from their mum) - but he knew that he would get 'more sympathy' from her as she has long made it clear via third parties that she still wants him. There was no resumption of their sexual relationship although in her messages she begged to have sex with him (he refuses in his replies, saying that he could not betray me or the children again in that way), but there is very much an emotional reconnection.

He ended it immediately that day - telephoned her husband to apologise - they had decided to reconcile for the sake of their young DC after my H made it clear after their first affair that he wanted to remain in our marriage. He also sent her an email apologising for getting her hopes up again for purely selfish and egocentric reasons. He swears that he had 'finally' grown up and truly realised how dreadful both the original affair and now this revisiting their emotional affair has been and what a 'complete fool' he has been. He said he had been self-pitying, pathetic and wanted the assurance that he could still have a beautiful woman risk everything in order to be with him. I have no doubt that the OW skyped me in order to provoke a reaction in both him and me but frankly I don't care about her motives.

But despite all that he has now done I feel dead inside. I can not comprehend that he resumed an affair with a woman who had done so much very real damage to both of us! Nor that he wilfully set aside all the shit and hard work we have endured individually and as a couple to really start to rebuild our marriage. I have told him that if he truly loves her I will not stand in their way but he has begged for forgiveness and is adamant that it was a lapse driven by external factors. But when I ask him how long it would have continued had the OW not contacted me, he just says that it would have 'fizzled out' because he had realised that he had 're-opened Pandora's Box' and was 'desperate' to close it again but feared that if he did so too abruptly then based on her past actions, she would wreak havoc again. Certainly the exchanges I have seen between them are unbalanced in the sense that she repeatedly begs for more, to plan for a future together, for sex, while his are very non-committal and almost like an exchange with a close friend rather than a lover. And he does mostly talk about his distress over the death of his DM and how frustrated he is professionally. Unlike their last relationship he writes nothing derogatory about me but does talk about his pride in my professional achievements. But even the latter disgusts me as how DARE he discuss me in any way with her!

I still love him but at the moment I despise him. He did what he knew I feared most in terms of our relationship. He has changed since this latest revelation and seems genuinely committed to gaining my forgiveness. But where will I ever find peace of mind now? Will the next life crisis see him running back to her?? He says not and that he has finally 'woken up'.

I am so very sorry for the length of this but if there is anyone out there who has experienced a similar scenario I would love to hear what the outcome was. Please don't flame me wise mumsnetters for having believed him when he said it was over for good the first time around..

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Dilema76 · 21/07/2015 14:16

You are clinging on because you don't know any different. 25 yrs is a long time! He can still be a good dad to the kids if you split up. The kids wouldn't take his side if they knew what he has been up to!

Don't waste your life. Currently you are doing. He will leave you eventually.

MiddleAgedandConfused · 21/07/2015 14:30

Right now, you have every right to walk away knowing you have tried everything.
But do you think his grief played a part in his contacting her again? If it did - do you think you can forgive him and move forwards? Or do you feel so betrayed that his reasons for the contact don't matter?
You have to trust your own instincts on this.

SwearySwearyQuiteContrary · 21/07/2015 14:32

He is never again (if he ever was) going to be the husband you could trust and rely on. Forget about what he's saying because words are cheap and think about what he's done. What do his actions tell you about how he regards your marriage, what his feelings are towards you, how important your feelings are to him and how much respect he has for you?

Annarose2014 · 21/07/2015 14:36

Your DH should have the Stone Roses "I wanna be Adored" as his theme song.

paddlenorapaddle · 21/07/2015 14:47

Oh dancing he's a prince a real prince. You deserve to be loved and really loved respected and treasured this is isnt it.

he seems a bit like a narc it could be worth a google

What do you want ?

TRexingInAsda · 21/07/2015 14:58

It still seems to be a lot about her in your mind, for example "he'll eventually leave me for her, won't he". He says not, because she's 'shallow' (nice - that's reassuring, essentially he's saying no, not for as she isn't good enough). But the point is he's not faithful, even after all you've been through since the first time, he put a need for a bit of flattery and sympathy above being faithful to you. Maybe he won't leave you for her, but he might see someone else in the meantime, and if they aren't too shallow, he might leave you for that one.

You also keep saying if he loves her you won't stand in their way - well you can't. You couldn't if you tried, so I don't know why you keep saying that, except that you obviously know he wants you to stay, and you enjoy hearing 'no I don't want that'. But it gives him the impression he has free choice between the two of you and that just massages his ego and sense of entitlement further.

I think you need to remove her from all your considerations, and think (and talk) ONLY about him, or him and you, eg do you trust him, are you happy together, do you want to be together etc, it's nothing to do with her anymore.

Stitchintime1 · 21/07/2015 15:01

So sorry for you. All that turmoil and hard emotional work and he did it again. I hope you find peace.

shovetheholly · 21/07/2015 15:04

I understand that grief can make people act in strange ways. I used to be a voluntary grief counsellor, and I have listened to literally hundreds of people describing this.

However, if I've understood correctly, the sexual affair happened before he was bereaved. Then he contacted her again afterwards.

There's grief. And then there's form for infidelity.

Jackiebrambles · 21/07/2015 15:31

Great post from Trexing

Yes he may leave you eventually, perhaps once the kids have left so he looks less like the bad guy. Also not many blokes who are adored by their kids would relish having to leave the family home.

Take back some control. We are all behind you!

HelenMirrensHair · 21/07/2015 16:27

Was logging to to say basically the same as shovetheholly.

Grief is a weird and wonderful thing, I agree, so what was his excuse the first time?

When you were poorly and and having to face your own mortality what did you do? Did you shag someone else?

Why not? You were under stress, had a husband who was still lying to you, was he at all supportive at this time or was he 'fairly supportive'?

There are some many many horrible things he has done not only to you but to her, and her husband; calling her husband to apologise. . . . talk about rubbing his face in it.

And while for me any infidelity would be a deal breaker, I can understand why its isn't for some but in your case his sheer level of cruelty is amazing and should be the dealbreaker.

It honestly reads as your husband being as abusive as his father, in a different way, but still with no real concern of the hurt he has deliberately caused you.

He knew how hurt you were first time, why would you be any less hurt this time?

There are so very many things in your posts that are ringing alarm bells even without the affair, and I'm betting like most posters on here at first you're trying to be 'fair' and not paint him as the bad guy, but you seem to accept so much selfishness on his part as normal I'm willing to bet the truth is much worse but you've been conditioned to accept it.

I do hope you find you're feet and realise that you don't deserve to be treated like this, hell no one does. Flowers

PeppermintPasty · 21/07/2015 16:38

Small steps Dancing. I wonder if you felt like I did at the time...one part of me felt 'normal', in control (ho ho), but another part of me felt like I was rubbernecking at a slow motion car crash. Trouble is, the car crash was my life!! It's such a hard feeling to describe. Probably a lot of cognitive dissonance going on to stop oneself actually going mad.

Someone mentioned a 'jeremy Kyle life', and that's what I had for a time, and it would never have stopped if I hadn't got out. But it took me a long time.

You come across as very frightened of the possible changes ahead, the panicky thought of suddenly being without him. But you know, you are already without him, he is so self absorbed, he hasn't got your back.

Your dc really really will come to understand. Turn the thought of upsetting them on its head: how about imagining a time and place where you are happy and content, and at peace. Imagine the effect on the dc of seeing their mother like that. A massive change for them too, for the better.

I am a strong woman. I take no shit. I thought that when I was with my ex that I was in control. It was only when I kicked him out that I came to realise that I had been walking on eggshells after all, as had my dc (they are little). I was astounded as generally, I always gave as good as I got, I would speak up, I would shut down any arguments, or attempt to, if he was being unreasonable.

Yet it wasn't until I took small steps towards getting rid of him that I finally achieved some freedom for my dc's and I.

I think you have to deal with your fears, your fear of the unknown, and your fear of him leaving you for her or anyone else. He has detached from you already imo, hard as that is to hear. He is in his little sealed box labelled "Me".

Jesus, sorry for the length. It resonates. Have a hug.

Preciousbane · 21/07/2015 17:09

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Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 17:32

Trexing I don't enjoy his saying he doesn't want that and I know full well that I couldn't prevent him leaving if he wanted to. I was just trying to make the point, probably not well, that I recognise that if he and her really love each other and believe they have truly found 'the one' in each other, then I will not stand in the way of them being together and will behave in a civilised way during any divorce. Unlike last time when I was demented with grief and shock and went down on my knees, repeatedly, and begged him to give her up. Yes, I know, in retrospect it was pathetic behaviour but it was how I instinctively reacted at the time Blush.

And I agree Helenmirren , he couldn't blame grief the first time around - the reason that time was that I 'work too hard' (I am the major wage earner in our family and we have a massive mortgage), was always too tired for sex and she very obviously 'wanted him'.

peppermint he indeed does not have my back - I am always the strong one in the relationship. If I turn to him about problems, particularly at work where I am senior in an almost completely male and very tough environment and frequently feel vulnerable and exposed, he is initially sympathetic and then gets angry and tells me to get a grip. So, yes, in many ways I have felt alone in the marriage. But despite his dreadful behaviour he does have many merits although I admit they are rather greyed out in my mind at present. And the children do know all about the first affair because he told them that he and his 'wonderful new partner' were all going to have a 'lovely life' together with them and her DCs - their less than joyful reaction was one I will always treasure amongst all the shit at that time.

I know I need to make the decision for me but I am still I think in shock - I cannot adequately express the horror of receiving that call and then hearing these latest revelations. I need to get there in my own time and there is also a mass of entangling to do financially. I know he has yet again shown nothing but contempt for me and that is so hard to come to terms with after the crap four years we have had. And he has treated her with contempt too, although I struggle to have any sympathy for her. Her DH, yes - salt in his wounds but he seems to take his cue from the OW who is utterly contemptuous of her DH despite his valiant attempts to rebuild their marriage.

Thank you to the PP who made the spatula and flowing locks comment - it made me LOL for the first time ever about her so-called merits and made me feel that I CAN move on from this life I have known for so long once I have sorted my head and heart out. I am away with work at present but am constantly anxious that he is in touch with her again even though he says not. You are all right, this is no way to live but I just have to start rapidly rewriting the future I thought I had to the one I had hoped for. Thank you for the individual and collective wisdom - it may amuse you to know that OW cited my posting on MN last time as evidence of my 'craziness' and 'neediness'. But thank god I did, both then and now.

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Dancingtothemusicoftime · 21/07/2015 17:41

preciousbane - I know. Don't think I haven't fantasised about it Grin.

I've always tried to see the best in everyone - has rather backfired on me. I have been a trusting fool and my instincts were way off this time as he gave no clues at all that he was with her one again apart from the odd comment that was unusually critical of me but which I put down to stress at work and over his DM's death.

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honeyroar · 21/07/2015 17:44

You poor thing. I can't imagine how much you must be reeling. I would be the same.

I can't believe him. He really is a piece of work, still blaming you and giving himself excuses. He still feels like a criminal? He's still acting like one. He thinks you're amazing etc. he's right. You're amazing for forgiving him once. You're amazing for trying to get the marriage back on track for being the mother. For carrying g the while family... He on the other hand couldn't be further from amazing. From what you've written he is not a partner and is very, very selfish. He was really, really lucky you wanted to try again and he threw it away again. And he will in the future.

Have you ever sought counselling for yourself? It sounds like he has put you down and put you down, whereas I read something written by a strong person who really deserves so much more than she has. I really hope you can find the strength to see that and move on this time. Your children are nearly grown, in a few years they will have their own houses, lives and relationships, and will understand much more how their father let them and the family down, even if they don't see that now ( and I bet they do). Show them that a woman doesn't lie down and get kicked around. Sow them she can stand on her own feet and dictate how she's treated. Somewhere in the future there is someone else for you who will be your equal and see all the good in you, a partner you can trust and grow old with without drama, but you won't get him until you close the door on this awful relationship.

I wish you strength.xx

Jan45 · 21/07/2015 17:46

You are not a fool, you were married, you believe in the marriage, he broke it, not you, it's never the other person's fault, you are not responsible for his actions, whether he had stress at work or lost his mother, we all go through those things in life.

He has shown you over and over he cannot be trusted, yes some marriage can survive but my god it takes a hell of a lot of work, from the cheater, not the poor victim - and there has to be a lot of bloody love to get you through it - I think you are just in shock and have not even thought about what will actually make you happy, living the way you are won't, in time, you will come to realise this.

Lean on family, friends, they will all want to support you.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 21/07/2015 17:52

What a terrible experience for you. What a massive betrayal.

That he could rekindle his affair with this woman who has been so unrelentingly cruel to you is absolutely unforgivable.

I don't think you have much choice about what to do next, do you?

Flowers
Dilema76 · 21/07/2015 17:53

So you support him financially too...what a catch he is!

Duckdeamon · 21/07/2015 17:56

This is clearly not a man you can rely on or have peace of mind with, now or for the future. He hasn't even accepted responsibility for the original affair and nasty treatment of you (limerance indeed!) or for re establishing contact (most mothers would not be impressed with a son who used their death as an excuse to do this!). And he is still constantly criticising and undermining you, albeit in less obvious way than before.

Why do you fear that your DC would take his side if you end the relationship? Does he criticise you to them too?

BloodontheTracks · 21/07/2015 18:14

God he sounds worse and worse. I agree with the poster in regards to you having individual counselling. Anything that could help rebuild your self-confidence to a point where you look at his actions you have described and being to think, I am not on a level with this. This is not what I deserve.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 21/07/2015 18:37

So much wisdom already. Not much I can add.

Except to respond to your thoughts on how he's not supportive. Have you yet heard the MN analogy of the toaster? It's a good benchmark. A loved one feeling down or poorly or etc should elicit sympathy and support, not anger. He gets angry at you much the same way you might if the toaster failed to function to your expectations. That's not lobe: that's keeping you around because you're useful.

And, PS, if you haven't already discovered chump lady, seek her out. Esp the Pick Me Dance and Ego Kibbles. If you don't draw strengthening anger from that wise woman, I don't know what to tell ya... Smile

springydaffs · 21/07/2015 18:41

Well poor him with his sad childhood. You mention it as though it's a factor, as though the poor thing can't help himself with such a crap start in life. NOT TRUE.

PLENTY of ppl have had a supremely crap start in life and don't go on to do things like this. There is no excuse for what he's done; not once but TWICE. Sorry to shout but, my god, he feels like a criminal bcs he IS a criminal.

What's with even the kids making space for this emotional cripple re they adore him - over you? What kind of narrative is this that this big baby has a space carved out for him like he's so damaged he needs especial treatment? Imo the more damage, the tighter boundaries need to be. So he's good-looking , damaged, and expects a charmed path bcs of it. Is that what he's always had? Is that a prime reason why you took the poor thing back first time bcs, bless him, he couldn't help it?

NO. He COULD help it. Stop pandering to this spoilt man who is jerking everyone around, dragging everyone after his quest for especial treatment. You have paid an exceptionally high price here - imo he will continue to drag you down to the pit.

Dont feel sorry for him, op. Don't!

toffeeboffin · 21/07/2015 18:50

OP, are you not angry? I would be beyond furious. He has absolutely zero respect for you or your children. And let's face it, not much respect for the OW ( with the glorious hair, don't you know) either. Not that we give a shit about her.

You are incredibly strong. I hear your strength through your words. You are a good person too. You want to your marriage to work.

But it hasn't, and it won't. He has no respect for you, and he is playing you like a piano, he knows all your buttons and he's playing you off against her. Your insecurities. The hair thing? Tells you everything you need to know. 'Fairly supportive'? Just look at your reaction to that. You retaliated, and have tried to do better. He's playing you ,OP, you are so much better than that.

Please get rid of him. It will be hard. It will be bitter. He will beg, and I mean really beg. But you have everything to gain. Just re-read your post. If it was someone else, what would you advise? Another ten year sentence?

Hugs Thanks

fourflights · 21/07/2015 18:56

When I read your opening post, OP, I felt close to tears at how he compared your hair, and just about everything else, to her. He is vile.

He knew your week spots and he hurt you as much as possible. No decent man would do this, and it is still there, eating away at your confidence.

He didn't deserve a second chance, I would rather be alone for ever than live with someone who would say such cruel things to anybody, let alone his wife and the mother of his children.

AyeAmarok · 21/07/2015 19:02

I think it's time for this pathetic sod to feel the consequences of his actions.

You are a very impressive woman OP. Please realise that.

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