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HOBBIT'S BAR - Still finding it hard to move on .. Part 11

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Notlivingwithsemtexhoorah · 18/06/2015 08:21

Welcome to Hobbit’s Bar, owned by Hobbit, open to all and run by anyone who wants the job!

This is the place to come if your marriage/relationship has come to an end and you are struggling to come to terms with this. It is a place to vent, swear, ask for advice,swear, relate to others in the same situation, swear, take a break, swear and have a laugh, whatever.

There are people in this bar at all stages of separation – just separated, negotiating, mediation, court, divorced - and all reasons for this, whether it is abuse, general breakdown, financial worries, OW/OM involved, or coming to terms with a new life.

It is a place to come to for support and swear a bit. You are never obliged to give support to others or reply to any posts. It is ALWAYS okay to say SHIT THIS IS HARD and swear alot and interrupt the giggles if you are having a tough time. No apology necessary for swearing. No one will have a go at you for what you are feeling and share on here. Divorce is a rollercoaster, we are all at different stages, so feel free to jump right in, oh and swear a bit more if you like.

Some glossary terms:

  1. Jess is our mascot. Owned by Hobbit, she might do requests if there are enough sausages in it for her. Sorry, she's been joined by a pineapple and an Uzi in this 1st post for those who don't like firearms
  2. Izzitinis are a revolting cocktail created by Izzie that only she drinks!
  3. No 6’s are what we are/were married to, after Hobbit’s Twunts list. Some of us also have “pet” nicknames for our exes
  4. KOKO – keep on keeping on (used a lot on here along with SHIT THIS IS HARD)
  5. Ignore any exclamation marks posted by Izzie or Roz that might make their comments sounds a bit…dodgy. Something to do with their iPads having a mind of their own!
  6. We all listen to WWK aka WellWhoKnew aka Mother who keeps us under control.
  7. Random Guys feature on here too

Our theme tune is My Silver Lining

My name is Semtex, 50, married almost 31 years, 2 DSs 26 & one DD 28. One DS has NC with their Dad the other two have been well and truly brainwashed(Thought it was my fault but counsellor says otherwise, so I will believe her). Nisi nearly here on the basis of UB. Been to mediation, waste of time for us as HE IS THE MASTER. Filled in Form E and hopefully he has, now just waiting for the lies to read. Once he moved out he took the opportunity to use my time at work as the best time to take anything of value from the house. Nice. Now everything is locked from the inside including bedrooms etc. My DS is intending to buy him out so we both have somewhere to live and actually I.m not ready to move out as its my home. Ive said before that I don't feel that qualified to give advice that others do as I am a relative newbie and don't have young DC's but on good days hope I can help you raise a smile cos you have all helped me in one way or another. …...

HOBBIT'S BAR - Still finding it hard to move on .. Part 11
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Izzie595 · 29/07/2015 11:52

I will catch up on missed stuff and post then but meantime this jumped out at me from this morning's posts:

Sparkly Said My H told me before he left that I was weak and a diminished version of what I used to be

How fucking dare he! From the little I've read in that post, it had been going on long enough to have ground you down. I had God knows how many years of shit down to those pair, and also I remember Hobbit saying that in her case by the time he left she was a shadow of her former self. Yes, ladies, it's down to what they put us through. How we were at the point of their leaving is not fucking representative of the rest of their time with us. It is just another self serving thing for them to somehow justify the unjustifiable. And yes very few of them actually are man enough to stand up and take any responsibility for their actions. So I hope Sparkly you have tossed aside that comment and seen it for what it was. And in fact is it not more the case that by the time he left HE was a weak and diminished version of what HE used to be. Tosser.

Izzie595 · 29/07/2015 11:57

And I think it's time to put this back on the thread. I find this an absolute tonic when they spout their arsey crap. It highly amuses me, it's a good bouncy number, and to me it just ridicules them.

Enjoy Grin

Fuck Off Song

sparklyDMs · 29/07/2015 20:28

Love it Izzy! Thank you for the link, I needed that Smile

Rozalia · 29/07/2015 21:24

I wasted years of my one and only life trying to regain trust and make the marriage work after STBXH's affair. I so regret it. I could have got on with my life instead of being drained of energy trying to cope with wondering where he really was, who he was texting, calling. All that stuff the betrayed spouse goes through.

I understood that anyone could make a mistake, he'd had a terrible childhood, all the excuses.

And he did it again, anyway. Added more lies and broken promises and pain and hurt to the mountain he'd already created.

I would never, ever recommend the forgiveness and fix it route. He's shown you who he is and what he is capable of, whatever his reasons.

Ever seen a stripy leopard?

Hobbitwife001 · 29/07/2015 21:49

That's a fantastic post, roz, please don't give him another moments headspace, he doesn't deserve it.

You didn't cause his problems and you can't fix him, enjoy your new life away from his toxic influence.

No, I have never seen a stripy leopard, funny that isn't it?

tomatoplantproject · 29/07/2015 21:56

Rozalia - thank you for posting that. I've been spending time with my folks recently talking through my decision to leave. One of my big reasons is actually to just cut my losses. I don't want to go through this ever again and the risk of it happening again is too great because I only see lies and twisting and coverups from him.

I don't know about the rest of you but I have such swinging emotions. If I keep busy and driving forwards I'm ok but the moment I sit and am still I am just blue.

At some point I have to muster the courage and the energy to start instigating divorce/finances. Right now he's being nice in the little communication we have but I know he is going to turn nasty at some point and I just don't have the strength to deal with it right now.

Rozalia · 29/07/2015 22:03

Tomato, you have to use your strength wisely. Really look after yourself, I realised that nobody else was going to look after me so I had better do a good job of it. Make your own priorities and don't let anyone else decide them.

Sadly, sometimes you just have to feel the pain. It's a bugger, but it's got to be felt. I promise you, it will lessen. I was in such emotional agony I could feel the adrenalin rushing through me. I'd whimper in my sleep and wake up crying.
I sleep like a log now. He's only been gone just over 5 months and we'd been married nearly 20 years. It will get better, meh will be reached.

tomatoplantproject · 29/07/2015 22:32

You sound awesome. Meh is a way away xx

Myturnnow4 · 29/07/2015 22:37

I don't know about the rest of you but I have such swinging emotions. If I keep busy and driving forwards I'm ok but the moment I sit and am still I am just blue.

I know just what you mean. People ask me how I'm doing and I wonder, "which 15 minutes are you referring to?".

It will get better, meh will be reached.

I felt like grabbing that sentence from the page and hugging it to my chest.

drifted2015 · 29/07/2015 23:11

tonights posters

Well we know how to speak the truth from not trusting them , to being up one minute down the next ... to hoping we can get some sleep ?

When she left in December, I was bereft. I woke up every morning weary, 330am till 6am wide awake feeling sick, and then called her every name I could think of. Staggered into shower & couldn't believe it. I cannot believe it now. Through Xmas , what a fucking disaster that was, January, awful, awful . I instigated divorce proceedings because she slept with another man during our marriage. She came back , she wanted to reconcile & I just didn't trust her nor get the feeling she was committed.

She changed her mind and said she couldnt come back despite me agreeing to try again and we commenced divorce. Roll on 3 weeks she was back in touch. I just thought get lost.

I am reading on these posts exactly what we all seem to endure. We cannot avoid it - we cannot dodge it - we have to ply through it I am afraid.

To those who are not as far as us, you have to believe us. Please, if you think it it is never going to get better, just read MY POSTS on previous threads, I am very positive all the time. BUt I was at rock bottom in Jan when I first joined. I am now up the hill, sometimes a slip, but not really any tumbles.

I never thought I would feel better but I do . You know I don't even hate her. Hate takes up energy & my energy is saved for my next project. -Decoration. Not doing it myself but clearing the lounge. Painting new carpet, 2nd hand sofa as dog has to sleep on it because he has , literally, saved my life. I get down sometimes, but I am blessed with a best friend who has carried me since ExW fucked off. MN has been a lifesaver.

Out of adversity has come something wonderful ( theres a saying but wine prevents my memory from working 100% ) .

So to recap, it is a SHIT time now, BUT, as each day passes, theres a miniscule improvement that you don't notice . But those little improvements add up until you think hey , I do feel a little better !

Trust us older customers in the bar, we have been coming here for months.

If you are alive & kicking then you are doing well . And if you want some help, just post and know that someone somewhere is reading & will help, in time.

I am 8 months down from her walking out . I won't be reconciling.
I read somewhere rather be on my own than be with someone who hurts you ( me ) deliberately . That is cruelty. So I will not be subjecting myself to cruelty I will learn to like myself, then love myself and not waste my love on someone who doesn't deserve it.

KOKO . XXX.

2little2late2change4now · 30/07/2015 00:02

Hello all.

Some good inspiring posts tonight. I'm awake with avid indigestion rather than sadness as I used to be.

I also could never reconcile. Some people say, not even for the children? But what example would I be setting to say to them that it's ok when someone treats you that way or it's ok to treat someone else that way because you just get to carry on as normal?

Ex's cracks are showing, he could run for a while but now he is realising he has 2 children and they will always be there and he has damaged his relationship with dd. Beyond repair? Who knows, it will depend on what he does to make it up to her in her growing years.
We are 6 months on and all I know is, I did not deserve this, but I'm almost glad it happened now. I am wiser, stronger and far moe resilient from it and I have a new found appreciation for everything in my life. It's not about him or how he may or may not feel one day or what he might do or the ow. It's about me, my life, will I regret putting my babies first - nope, will I regret being the bigger person throughout this - nope, will I regret him leaving? Who knows but right now I don't. I'd feel I would have always been living with a ticking time bomb, he was always capable of this.

Koko everyone xx

drifted2015 · 30/07/2015 06:50

2little

Well said. Just how I would feel, have felt. A timebomb . Once they have done it, they are capable of doing it in a years time. We would waste our lives.

I am sad she left as we had a good life in whole terms . She left for sex & relationships are not built on sex.

Built on trust I think. That has gone & the rest has crumbled down.

The sun is rising.

A slightly better day today than yesterday everyone I hope even if we don't notice it yet !

KOKO.

Myturnnow4 · 30/07/2015 06:52

Good morning all, wishing you all a calm and peaceful day Flowers

Hobbitwife001 · 30/07/2015 15:39

KOKO 2little, thinking of you my love. Flowers

MrsMartinRohde · 30/07/2015 18:33

2little - ditto. our circumstances differ but this really stood out:

It's about me, my life, will I regret putting my babies first - nope, will I regret being the bigger person throughout this - nope

YES.

My regrets revolve round asking myself WHY did I stay as long as I did? Why did I believe the words he said when his actions never lived up to them? Why did we have to go through the same shit (gambling, lies, financial bullying, basically) again again again and again? But do I regret calling time? No. Do I regret enforcing the destruction of the family? No. How can I when I lived with someone who clearly despised me, and didn't hold back from his feelings when with our children?

what example would I be setting to say to them that it's ok when someone treats you that way or it's ok to treat someone else that way because you just get to carry on as normal?

I hated that part of what our life together was like. The absolutely awful example of relationships that we both were setting. I felt guilty, out of control, powerless, angry. The children could see that and it just made me hate myself and the whole thing more and more. In the end, the gambling killed the marriage but one of the final straws was hearing my 5 year old son speak to me in the same vile, disrespectful manner, using the same abusive words, as his father had to me.

Someone at work today asked: do you think you can patch it up? I laughed like a drain. NEVER. I don't want to. I couldn't. Because for all the stress, pain, difficulty, uncertainty of the last 5 and a half months, at least now we're not living in deception. We aren't lying. We aren't trying to convince ourselves, or each other, that it's ok, that we can cope, we can tolerate it, we do want to be together... no, we don't, we can't, we haven't been, and at least now we both have a chance. Not that I care tuppence for his chances, save for how his life and happiness affects our children, but for my chance.

I'm in limbo right now, and I am not coping with the stress of it one bit. I'm being pretty self-destructive, but in the midst of intolerable pain I don't know what else to do. The issue is not my stbx-husband, he's moved out, and his girlfriend has dumped him, so I don't even have the anxiety over that to contend with. It's my own living circumstances. The sale of the former marital home completes on Monday, so I've been packing boxes like a maniac. Stbx cherry-picked what little bits and bobs he wanted, and left me with everything else. All the children's things. The responsibility of getting rid of stuff neither of us wants. Settees. Washing machine. The responsibility of closing accounts for everything. It's been a massive job, I'm exhausted, alone, resenting having to do it all alone yet feeling a perverse satisfaction in having done it all alone. I'm in the process of buying (a share of) a flat for my boys and me but it's happening extremely slowly, and I've been almost insane with the terror that it's going to fall through. We are having to move in with my parents on Monday, for god knows how long, so there'll be 3 adults, 2 small boys and a 17 year old blind cat in a 2-bed retirement flat... the thought does not fill me with glad tidings of joy.

I just feel so on the edge that the smallest disappointment or stress tips me right over and I over-react horribly. I can't seem to talk myself down from the edge. I've been seeing my GP, and have an appt for an assessment a week on Monday, I have to do something because the anxiety is corroding my soul.

rozalia - this also stood out to me today:

I realised that nobody else was going to look after me so I had better do a good job of it. Make your own priorities and don't let anyone else decide them

I'm trying so hard! But so excruciatingly aware that although the outside world sees me coping and strong, when I'm alone I fall apart. I have one friend who knows 95% of what I feel, and he's been amazing, but even he can't grasp the agony. Which is frustrating, and adds to my distress. I actually think I could look after myself - but in the moment, I go nuts. Carving out a happy, fulfilling existence is going to be a big task, it's something I've not done all my life, and the stress of divorce and the loss of that relationship serves to highlight my own lack of foundations. So while I am so happy to be moving on and away from him and everything (except the children) that went with him, I am left, starkly, with myself and my own - inadequate, ie completely crappy, coping methods.

Bambino1234 · 30/07/2015 21:38

Just having a really bad evening.
I know it will pass because it always does.
I don't miss him.
I just hate that he chooses work and the ow above my children, my darling little people who are so innocent and accepting but why should they accept two visits a month.
Why should I accept that he couldn't put us first , that work always won but he can juggle his ow and work and my children are just sidelined.
I'm not sure if my lack of attention and conversation toward him ruffled feathers or what but he's made no contact in two weeks nearly.
When does the reality of what they are doing hit these men/women. His ow is a mother, if she knew or knows what little effort he was putting in our children surely that would make her think, they are only 3 and 4 and it saddens me that nothing can shake him, leave me yes but why not focus on your relationship as a father, even that seems to much.

Myturnnow4 · 30/07/2015 21:59

Flowers bambino, I think it's healthy to get these things out in writing. Hope you're doing ok.

2little2late2change4now · 30/07/2015 22:02

Bambino - I feel exactly the same. Why does the end of the relationship mean they have to be shit dads? Surely their children need them now more than ever to reassure them through this transition period. My ex couldn't give less of a damn if he tried. Arse hole.

Paddlingduck · 30/07/2015 22:13

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Bambino1234 · 30/07/2015 22:29

Thanks all.
It's just sad because now the dust is settling I would welcome the calls and more effort from him with regards to the children, not that I didn't before but I suppose it's hard when feelings are raw.
I have asked him to take a step back and just remember that whilst he thinks this is right for him not, he will not get back the time he is losing out on now, he says he will take a step back and regain perspective but it doesn't happen. I accept he doesn't want me, it's painful and yes it has caused me a lot of heartache, but there is only so much life I can waste hankering after him.
My children though will only have one father, I am very aware that their relationship is important and I have honoured that from the get go, never denied access and always been fully flexible, as time goes on though I feat my relaxed approach has probably caused him some laziness, my argument though is that if he hasn't got time to remember he has children, he should not be cavorting with another.
We all deserve a life yes, but I am the one who's is on hold whilst I ensure the welfare and happiness of my children.
I know it is his choice and his own doing, but it's hard knowing he is doing this to himself and the children and I don't want him to regret the relationship he's made for them in years to come and I know it's not my place.

Izzie595 · 31/07/2015 00:03

Things don't seem to be going very well at Chavsville. Twat seems to be regretting his decision to bail out. Oh dear

Rozalia · 31/07/2015 07:57

Really, Izzie? How tragic. How do you know of this sad, sad news? Sad

Truly40 · 31/07/2015 17:01

Izzie - this is a bit intriguing!

My DH does seem to be revving up on the reconciliation efforts...he stayed at the family home last weekend as I was visiting one of the older DCs, and is considering staying over this weekend, as we are babysitting gorgeous granddaughter for adult DS to attend a wedding party. He's taking 2 days off work next week to look after DCs so that I can catch up with some contract work - and came yesterday to have a chat.

He has committed every weekend since separating 5 mths ago, to visiting the DCs in the family home, and has never quibbled about providing financially. We've had plenty of arguments and screaming fits along the way, but very early on he said he regretted leaving, and wanted to see whether we could work through the underlying issues that led to his affair. It's been a rollercoaster, with me swaying between wanting him back, and calling it a day.

But we've always reverted to civilised discussions, and always stepped back from any final decisions. We do love each other a great deal still, and vowed that our family's wellbeing is the priority however we move forward...

I have concerns about trusting him, and being able to overcome the resentment and hurt he has caused me, if we did reconcile...but I also still enjoy his company, we are quite a team when it comes to doing our best for all the DCs, and we've rediscovered a lot of shared goals.

Anyway, OW is very arsey at his continued commitment to weekend 'family' time for the children, and he's told her that will continue indefinitely, and he has no plans to involve her with them or wider family. She's told him she may as well start looking for another job, as their relationship is obviously not moving forward...

Just leaving them to it. He says he can't cope with another period of upheaval and emotional drama, and just wants the relationship to come to an inevitable end for both of them...

I really can't decide whether this is just cowardly, or whether it's just easier all round. I don't want second-hand stress from their situation either !!

Hobbitwife001 · 31/07/2015 17:15

truly I can't help but think from reading your post that your husband is having his cake and eating it here. Surely if he was totally serious about reconciling with you and being a family unit again he would have kicked the OW into touch long ago. Why hasn't he done this to prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that he wants you and only you?

Why aren't you making clear that this needs to happen and stop doing the "pick me dance" . It seems you are willing to accept this to have some sort of semblance of the commitment you deserve.

I understand it's difficult, but he is hedging his bets by keeping both of you competing for his attention. That's very unkind and totally unacceptable.
You need to draw a line in the sand and say what your limits and boundaries are, he cannot keep playing the two of you against each in a sick kind of " competition"

Hobbitwife001 · 31/07/2015 17:16

He seems to think he is the "prize" here, when in fact it is you, KOKO x