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My wife - she just cannot handle any 'criticism'- big nor small- HELP

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Husband99 · 03/06/2015 14:00

Things are pretty rough. I just cannot raise anything with my wife without her just getting angry and now I'm stuck to know what to do. It seems I either just shut up- no matter it is- or it will kick off. The former just doesn't seem like a sustainable way to live.

Mostly things that come up are just petty. For example, I hate being late. She is always late when we have to leave for things. That puts me in a grump; I know it does- and need to get perspective- but I also do not think these things are the end of the world. What makes these situations far worse is how she reacts. Then it becomes her angry reaction (that always happens) that we argue about the reaction, and not the tiny thing that initially caused it that becomes long forgotten.

Basically she flips and loses her temper every time I raise even the tiniest issue and things immediately switch and she says that she is the one hard fine by having to deal with this. It just puts me in a position where I cannot raise any issue with her or else she will just flip. She never quietly considers a point, reflects, try's to appreciate where someone else (i.e. me) is coming from. Her instinct is always to just get angry and go on the 'attack'- every time.

I do my best to remain calm in these instances, but she quickly raises her voice and slips into personal insults like calling me a 'prick ' - I'll admit, I resort to saying things back at times. I am not perfect- my patience is not infinite and I know this is damaging to our relationship. To be honest, I do this as I feel bullied. I am forever in these instances saying 'but I am the one whose is upset with something you have done- why are you shouting at me?'. I just don't understand. We do discuss this, but nothing changes.

She doesn't seem to see that she makes things more significant than really need to be by her angry reactions. Because I don't react this way in reverse, she also feels that I raise a lot if things with her and just fails to see that I am not more pedantic, I just am able to listen when things that she raises are said to me. They get quickly forgotten and aren't even remembered because I don't get angry- I take heed and listen. It's just when I am upset or frustrated with something, her reaction is so predictably extreme and aggressive that I think it becomes memorable. There is always an excuse. How I raise things; the things I raise etc - what is consistent is the angry reaction not seeing that I have tried everything. My one option that I feel I have is to just not say anything.

Let me explain how crazy this can be. On occasion, just recently, we were travelling in the car and playing a game to pass the time- 20 questions. My wife got frustrated, thought I was being patronising as she was having difficulty guessing who it was (I know- I cannot believe I am writing this!) and she said 'God you are a wanker'. I was a little stunned and calmly said, 'ok- I don't want to play anymore'. Because we were on a car journey, I couldn’t take time out to get away and collect my thoughts, so I just plugged in my ipod- all calmly. She did say why did I want to listen to my ipod, and I said I didn't want to just sit here in a her moody silence (yes- she got moody with me despite it being her calling me a personal comment) and I just wanted to zone out and relax. No shouting - all very calm. I was upset.

This ended up being a blazing argument - I just don't understand why a moment of reflection doesn't arrive where she calmly, genuinely says sorry and feels sorry for what she did. Instead she gets angry about the fact that I am upset/ annoyed with what she did.

Ultimately I keep saying to her that I am allowed to feel a certain way if things (big or small) happen and I want to be able to share that. I am want to feel like I am allowed to raise things if I feel a certain way, but these see not an attack. There's no need to react like this. I am on her team. But her constant anger is so tiring. I don't respect it. I feel like I have to walk constantly on egg shells and that I am unable to share anything without it being a blazing argument- big or small.

Its horrible.

OP posts:
Offred · 03/06/2015 21:30

Try not to worry. Is she coming back to the house or giving you space over the weekend?

Husband99 · 03/06/2015 21:34

Offred No idea.

OP posts:
Offred · 03/06/2015 21:43

So this is a headfuck response then. You clearly articulated your feelings and needs and she gave a vague response.

Do you have anywhere to go for some uninterrupted alone time?

Offred · 03/06/2015 21:45

You may find if you stay at home you will not be able to relax not knowing whether she will come back and what kind of mood she will be in if she does/what she will have said about you to her mother.

Husband99 · 03/06/2015 21:53

I agree. The response did irritate me- I'm not thinking clearly enough to appreciate why, but you have nailed it- I have put it out there how I feel, and that is what I got back.

OP posts:
Wideopenspace · 03/06/2015 21:59

Or you could say that you asked for space, said how you feel and she is saying she understands?

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:02

The priority here is separating yourself from the headfuckery over this weekend (as you told her you would). Do not engage with it or her and find somewhere to go even if it is a hotel otherwise you'll either be on pins waiting for her, you'll get into another bullshit argument or she'll turn up saying she thought you were going to be the one who left. In any of those situations your weekend will (again) be all about her and her rage and not about you processing the relationship and your feelings about it. You need a safe space.

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:04

So I would recommend doing something relaxing and leaving your phone/blocking her number. You've explained to her you need space but maybe you could leave a note for her in the house kindly explaining that you have left to have some space and when you will be back to talk in case she does come back.

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:05

If she really understood she would have said something more like 'ok, I understand. I'll stay at my mothers to give you some space and will be back xxx'

FunnyHowThingsWorkOut · 03/06/2015 22:06

Get some space. Do you have a good friend who might understand, someone that you can call to talk about this?

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:07

What about calling mankind? www.mankind.org.uk

Wideopenspace · 03/06/2015 22:10

Maybe Offred - but perhaps she is not thinking as clearly and articulately as you?

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:13

Why are you making excuses for a woman who has been physically violent on more than one occasion to the op?

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:14

And you are basically agreeing that she doesn't understand. The op said he wanted some space, if she understood that she would have understood she needed to let him know she wouldn't be home.

Wideopenspace · 03/06/2015 22:15

Offred, I've reread my posts - I don't believe I have made any excuses. None of us are in the head of either the OP or his wife. I'm offering my perspective.

Wideopenspace · 03/06/2015 22:17

I have no idea whether she understands or not. She might. She might not.

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:21

The op said; 'She just replied- 'I understand'

No idea where this is going.'

And you snarked defensively about her not thinking clearly but apparently being clear as if the op was unreasonable to be discombobulated by the ambiguity of the text.

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:22

She gets abusive when she is angry including assaulting him verbally and physically...

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:23

Then despite not being capable of being reasonable in the face of his request for space, ominously replies 'I understand'... If that isn't headfuckery towards a scared partner I don't know what you'd call it?

Wideopenspace · 03/06/2015 22:24

I'm interested to know which bit of my response you feel is snarky or defensive, and I don't think I made any judgement about the OP's response.

Yes, I've read the OP's posts about the physical and verbal assaults.

I don't want to derail the thread, though, so feel free not to answer Offred

Husband99 · 03/06/2015 22:27

Hey Wideopenspace / Offred - you are both offering me really good support and food for thought- that's all I am bothered about

OP posts:
Jen1610 · 03/06/2015 22:28

Firstly I just want to say I am literally disgusted with the responses men get on this website when posting for help. Its shocking the way some posters constantly try turn it round on the op and victim blame, blooming heck!

Op, I think leaving was for the best. I also agree with Offred that you should take off somewhere for the weekend as she may well turn up. Then you can relax and really think clearly. I'd leave your phone at home and leave a note in case she does turn up and send her a text in case she doesn't to say you are turning your phone off for the Weekend to get some headspace an will contact her next week.

If you have tried counselling and it hasn't worked, I honestly don't see where you can go with the relationship. Does she have siblings?what age is she and how long have you been together?

Offred · 03/06/2015 22:33

Well, when someone is being subjected to abuse from a partner it can be very difficult to actually listen to their own inner voice. The op has already described how much pressure he feels under to modify his behaviour around her rage. By trying to get him to consider that his wife may not be abusing him, just upset, you are basically complicit in the abuse. Abusers usually try to flip the situation into the other person when the problem is them. Your experience with your ex is similar to mine with my BF but I have no doubt it was him and not me as my response for the first year of the relationship was to put all of my effort into making myself smaller and more pleasing to him but he never changed and is still the same now. No matter what the op does he should not get physically or verbally assaulted and by the time it is putting pressure on him to never bring up his feelings IMO that reflects an abusive pattern of behaviour which is established in his wife.

Husband99 · 03/06/2015 22:34

We've been together approaching 3 years. She has an older brother.

OP posts:
Wideopenspace · 03/06/2015 22:37

I am COMPLICIT in the abuse. I'm afraid that's just not true.

I have not suggested that she is not abusing him at any point.

But I'm out. I have tried to offer a perspective, and I've tried to share some relevant personal experience - but I'm not hanging around to be told I am complicit with abuse.

Best of luck, OP.