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My wife - she just cannot handle any 'criticism'- big nor small- HELP

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Husband99 · 03/06/2015 14:00

Things are pretty rough. I just cannot raise anything with my wife without her just getting angry and now I'm stuck to know what to do. It seems I either just shut up- no matter it is- or it will kick off. The former just doesn't seem like a sustainable way to live.

Mostly things that come up are just petty. For example, I hate being late. She is always late when we have to leave for things. That puts me in a grump; I know it does- and need to get perspective- but I also do not think these things are the end of the world. What makes these situations far worse is how she reacts. Then it becomes her angry reaction (that always happens) that we argue about the reaction, and not the tiny thing that initially caused it that becomes long forgotten.

Basically she flips and loses her temper every time I raise even the tiniest issue and things immediately switch and she says that she is the one hard fine by having to deal with this. It just puts me in a position where I cannot raise any issue with her or else she will just flip. She never quietly considers a point, reflects, try's to appreciate where someone else (i.e. me) is coming from. Her instinct is always to just get angry and go on the 'attack'- every time.

I do my best to remain calm in these instances, but she quickly raises her voice and slips into personal insults like calling me a 'prick ' - I'll admit, I resort to saying things back at times. I am not perfect- my patience is not infinite and I know this is damaging to our relationship. To be honest, I do this as I feel bullied. I am forever in these instances saying 'but I am the one whose is upset with something you have done- why are you shouting at me?'. I just don't understand. We do discuss this, but nothing changes.

She doesn't seem to see that she makes things more significant than really need to be by her angry reactions. Because I don't react this way in reverse, she also feels that I raise a lot if things with her and just fails to see that I am not more pedantic, I just am able to listen when things that she raises are said to me. They get quickly forgotten and aren't even remembered because I don't get angry- I take heed and listen. It's just when I am upset or frustrated with something, her reaction is so predictably extreme and aggressive that I think it becomes memorable. There is always an excuse. How I raise things; the things I raise etc - what is consistent is the angry reaction not seeing that I have tried everything. My one option that I feel I have is to just not say anything.

Let me explain how crazy this can be. On occasion, just recently, we were travelling in the car and playing a game to pass the time- 20 questions. My wife got frustrated, thought I was being patronising as she was having difficulty guessing who it was (I know- I cannot believe I am writing this!) and she said 'God you are a wanker'. I was a little stunned and calmly said, 'ok- I don't want to play anymore'. Because we were on a car journey, I couldn’t take time out to get away and collect my thoughts, so I just plugged in my ipod- all calmly. She did say why did I want to listen to my ipod, and I said I didn't want to just sit here in a her moody silence (yes- she got moody with me despite it being her calling me a personal comment) and I just wanted to zone out and relax. No shouting - all very calm. I was upset.

This ended up being a blazing argument - I just don't understand why a moment of reflection doesn't arrive where she calmly, genuinely says sorry and feels sorry for what she did. Instead she gets angry about the fact that I am upset/ annoyed with what she did.

Ultimately I keep saying to her that I am allowed to feel a certain way if things (big or small) happen and I want to be able to share that. I am want to feel like I am allowed to raise things if I feel a certain way, but these see not an attack. There's no need to react like this. I am on her team. But her constant anger is so tiring. I don't respect it. I feel like I have to walk constantly on egg shells and that I am unable to share anything without it being a blazing argument- big or small.

Its horrible.

OP posts:
Offred · 05/06/2015 02:03

^Newsflash -- women care how they look.
If you think they don't then you have a lot to learn. If you think women who are ok with others seeing them without makeup don't care how they look, you are wrong, They are simply satisfied that they look good without makeup.^

Well that is rather the point. It's totally sexist and designed to make women insecure about themselves this 'expectation' that women have to look good even when it comes from the woman herself.

StevieRevie · 05/06/2015 02:05

Lundy Bancroft - water torturer ?

thegiantgirl · 05/06/2015 02:09

I agree with math loves peace and butterfly wings, I've lived with these kinds of little niggling criticisms and it is horrible. You don't always have to have the last word and be right, which it sounds like. Regarding the holiday incident you didn't mean to, you had no control, sorry but she does have control and so do you.
Also this intentions thing is complete bullshit as you will always claim to have good intentions whilst imputing bad intentions to those who you disagree with.

HelenaDove · 05/06/2015 02:09

But pitting childless women against women with children and deeming the formers feelings as less important is ok?

Offred · 05/06/2015 02:11

I don't give a stuff whether I look good or not most of the time btw. Ppl often take the piss because of it. I don't actually care. Whole gaggles of school mums fall about laughing about how stupid I look in my cycling gear on the school run, I find it quite annoying that it is comment worthy. I'd much rather set a good example to the DC about being safe (helmet/high vis) stuff and healthy (cycling) than worry about people laughing at me looking 'bad'. Nothing will happen if you look bad, you will still retain all your attractive qualities as a person.

Offred · 05/06/2015 02:12

No, I wasn't pitting anyone against anyone. I was explaining how it could come across to someone who has just had a baby as offensive. Jeez...

HelenaDove · 05/06/2015 02:15

If they are falling about laughing at the way you look Offred thats awful Angry

Offred · 05/06/2015 02:18

It doesn't upset me, not at all. I think it is silly and feel bad for them that their lives must be so restricted that they cannot ever look stupid and still feel confident. I know I look stupid, I don't care, women are allowed to look stupid.

mathanxiety · 05/06/2015 02:19

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Offred · 05/06/2015 02:21

It's quite freeing. I was bullied badly in school for not understanding things like wearing a bra when you don't have boobs in y3 and shaving your legs when you turned 11 and it made me feel awful then. I no longer care at all. I like to change how I look and explore styles but not because I care about looking good to other people and I like that I no longer get upset if people laugh at how I look and I feel confident going out looking stupid!

mathanxiety · 05/06/2015 02:22

Every single ounce of my being, based on every single word that Husband has posted here, Offred.

mathanxiety · 05/06/2015 02:26

Glad that you feel so free now, Offred.

But don't cast aspersions on those who do not share your liberation. Let's say 99.9% of women would prefer not to have their hair look like they recently lost a fight with a lawnmower or peeled themselves out of bed five minutes before a photo was taken. This is not a character flaw.

And people who look good still retain their attractive qualities as a person too.

Offred · 05/06/2015 02:26

Math - my BF reacts just like how he describes his wife reacting. It is not 'for no reason' it is because he is insecure and he feels entitled to lash out at me and benefits from his angry outbursts when he does. I almost completely stopped saying anything to him and before I was not remotely close to always critical and he was still angry, he started making things up to be angry at me about and blowing up over how I looked/seemed. It's entirely plausible to me this OP's story.

He has never said a lot of the things you accuse him of in that post. You are reading them in.

Offred · 05/06/2015 02:28

I'm not casting aspersions. I'm saying it is a sign of insecurity because others said it wasn't. I said earlier it was common for women to be insecure in this way and that there is (unacceptable) pressure on women that there isn't on men from society - but I still think it isn't healthy.

Offred · 05/06/2015 02:29

And I don't think people have to go around stinking and greasy to prove they are secure. I just think feeling under pressure to look good all the time is not great.

thegiantgirl · 05/06/2015 02:40

I feel sorry for your wife, I think you should leave her. She'll be upset but will eventually realise you did her a huge favour.

Nolim · 05/06/2015 04:39

Yes I have rtft, Nolim, with mouth agape and astonished at what I am reading, with the exception of a few posts from Madwoman and some others.

I am astonished as well, but for the posts by yourself and madwoman mainly. If the genders were reversed no one would tell op "if you dont want your dp to react to critizism spot critizising", there would be an unanimous ltb chorus.

Husband99 · 05/06/2015 08:13

Madwoman I have said I don't always remain calm- that is one of a host of reactions I have tried (some considered, some not). I don't manipulate- that is a huge aspersions to make based on my posts here- all I am writing here is what has happened and how it makes me feel because I want help.

It feels like I could write anything that my wife has done/ behaved toward me Madwoman and you will surmise and assume I did something to cause it. I have to be strong here and say: I deserve better.

I have (based on so much of what has been shared) realised that I don't want to be shouted at or swore (and I won't include punched in the face as it happened once). I am not 'playing the victim': I've just had enough. I play a part in this- of course I do- but I have decided I have a line. I don't want to be in a relationship where those things happen.

I have no idea what a gas lighter is. If this is related to self victimisation, I just disagree; I just want the space in my relationship to say how I feel; if my wife leaving me waiting outside a building is frustrating, I want to be able to say so in a trusted/ful way. If I have been a dick, I know it, I hate it, I feel guilty, I say sorry, I try and make it better.

You say I like control: that is different to being controlling. I have no control in this relationship. While my wife was away on holiday she asked what I was doing tomorrow: I said I was going to a local market with our housemate (a female) and had no other plans. While on holiday in the USA with 3 of her closest friends, she said she didn't want me to do that. That is controlling, and I hate it.

OP posts:
Husband99 · 05/06/2015 08:19

The latest is I text my wife to say can talk on Sunday if she is happy to.

She replied: sure. That's fine. I'm free to talk Sunday evening. Cheers.

I replied. No problem. Let me know when and I will call.

She replied 'will do'.

This was yesterday evening.

Now right now for both of us this (at least should be) the biggest thing that is happening in our lives- a priority. We need to talk things through. But I can see where this is going- this will become a power battle in my wife's mind as to what time we will talk- we only ever talk when she is ready.

It's draining.

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Christophewouldgetit · 05/06/2015 08:20

husband99 - I think you're doing the right thing Thanks

Husband99 · 05/06/2015 08:28

Mathanxiety I just don't agree.

No one has answered on here: what if i felt patronised playing 20 questions and I called her a bitch?

There's just no excuse for that. The problem is my wife tries to find one, as you do. You assume I have ground her down to reach this boiling point. Only the two of us in our relationship will know if this is true- and it is not.

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Offred · 05/06/2015 08:44

I believe you.

PrivatePike · 05/06/2015 08:45

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Bonsoir · 05/06/2015 08:49

OP - you and your wife need to divorce, now. Start the proceedings.

HuftysTrain · 05/06/2015 08:56

People often talk about "working hard at a marriage". I think it's only worth "working" at it if you have children and therefore others' well-being is dependent on your harmony.

If you don't have children, just end it. Be with someone else or on your own. It's not worth it. Why suffer in an unhappy marriage when you don't have to?

(I've only read the OP but I thought the husband sounded a bit gas-lighty too. I used to be with a man who was constantly "raising small issues" with me. It's exhausting and soul-sapping to be on then other end of that.)