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HOBBIT’S BAR – still finding it hard to move on…part 10

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bobs123 · 02/06/2015 17:09

Welcome to Hobbit’s Bar, owned by Hobbit, open to all and run by anyone who wants the job!

This is the place to come if your marriage/relationship has come to an end and you are struggling to come to terms with this. It is a place to vent, ask for advice, relate to others in the same situation, take a break and have a laugh, whatever.

There are people in this bar at all stages of separation – just separated, negotiating, mediation, court, divorced - and all reasons for this, whether it is abuse, general breakdown, financial worries, OW/OM involved, or coming to terms with a new life.

It is a place to come to for support. You are never obliged to give support to others or reply to any posts. It is ALWAYS okay to say SHIT THIS IS HARD and interrupt the giggles if you are having a tough time. No apology necessary. No one will have a go at you for what you are feeling and share on here. Divorce is a rollercoaster, we are all at different stages, so feel free to jump right in.

Some glossary terms:

  1. Jess is our mascot. Owned by Hobbit, she might do requests if there are enough sausages in it for her. Sorry, she's been ousted by a pineapple in this 1st post, but sure she will feature if the lazy caaah gets off her...
  2. Izzitinis are a revolting cocktail created by Izzie that only she drinks!
  3. No 6’s are what we are/were married to, after Hobbit’s Twunts list. Some of us also have “pet” nicknames for our exes
  4. KOKO – keep on keeping on (used a lot on here along with SHIT THIS IS HARD)
  5. Ignore any exclamation marks posted by Izzie or Roz that might make their comments sounds a bit…dodgy. Something to do with their iPads having a mind of their own!
  6. We all listen to WWK aka WellWhoKnew aka Mother who keeps us under control.
  7. Random Guys feature on here too

Our theme tune is

My name is bobs, 55, married almost 23 years, 2 DDs 21 & 18 who have NC with their Dad. Nisi granted April 2014 on the basis of 2 year separation while living in the same house. Tried solicitors for over a year to sort out the financials, then mediation for 6 months which didn’t work, as due to his PA nature he is all but supine and unable to contribute. Sold our family home over a year ago and have been living in rental as he had the house proceeds frozen. He was then given a choice of accepting my proposal or going to arbitration or court. Still waiting…

Link to last thread here

Link to 1st thread - if you have a spare week or so and want to read the lot here

HOBBIT’S BAR – still finding it hard to move on…part 10
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Hobbitwife001 · 14/06/2015 10:17

You ARE strong, 2little , you're still fucking standing tall and getting on with shit, and still thinking of other people, < his son> even when you're struggling to get back to an even keel.

But your OW and mine knew us, and knew what they were doing to our families and it made no difference. Some people are just selfish and uncaring. No one ever thought BF would have ever done that to me, I know, I asked enough of them about it! She's a social worker, she's considered kind and considerate, well not to me obviously. Take care lovely, pm me if you want to talk, xx

1nogoingback3 · 14/06/2015 12:36

2little I think you misjudge yourself. Your strength comes through loud and clear in your posts and the love for your child and soon your new born too. Your moral compass is spot on too it seems to me. You'll get through this. Flowers

I just had a thought - I hope to goodness that DS2 actually passes some GCSEs after all this!

BravingSpring · 14/06/2015 13:58

2little Remember you're there doing what needs to be done, caring for your daughter and you'll be there looking after the new baby, you haven't run away from your responsibilities, you've taken on more responsibility and just gotten on with it. Flowers.

FuckitAndStartAgain · 14/06/2015 16:37

Too little, you are amazing. Please do not think otherwise. When you children are old enough to understand they will think you are amazing and will be so proud of you.

  1. I am not telling you what son 2 got two years ago!

I am not going into work tomorrow. I have decided that at any rate. Will see ago and sort it out. So currently lazing and then will get on with sorting cover tasks.
Then I have found a job to apply for
Then I ill ring bank before looking at cars.

Tomorrow is another day, today I am cuddling my dog and going to read my book for a while.

2little2late2change4now · 14/06/2015 16:39

You buggers! You've just made me cry with your loveliness. Thank you, what a lovely reminder that human kindness is still out there every day.

Hearing from those of you going through court and legal proceedings I don't envy that and my heart goes out to you. I can't imagine dealing with that and paying for it too on top of all this heartache. They really don't ever think beyond the end of their dicks do they.

I forced myself swimming today with dd, we haven't been for ages and she wasn't keen :( she used to love it.
I find it ironic how everyone is surprised by these men as though the ones capable of it go around wearing warnings, you just never really know someone.
I am trying to be positive, I know we are more financially and emotionally stable without him - I also know I'm more tired though. As time goes on I know I'll be able to say that sometimes I miss him but if he'd been here I wouldn't have done x,y or z.

bobs123 · 14/06/2015 18:54

Had a very pleasant day today helping out my ex neighbour with cream teas at a Village Open Gardens. I used to open mine and loved it. Anyway, despite the weather being somewhat on the chilly, drizzly side, she still made £100 and it was great to see a lot of people I knew. Oh - and SF and his GF were told not to turn up Grin

I then popped into my old house to pick up some mail (I get on well with the new owners). They have done so much (needed doing) and the house will look amazing when finished. shame SF would never put any money into it Sad Also learnt a few interesting tit-bits Hmm. I'm now full of scones having eaten them for breakfast and lunch Smile

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2little2late2change4now · 14/06/2015 20:52

What you see - thank you. I wish I was strong but I do feel very similar to you, I just wish he was here and it was all different. I'm slowly learning to let go of what I cannot change and that is him. Whether he was openly this person and I didn't notice or he hid it well, he was always capable of lying and cheating because he did it and he would do it again.
You deserve more my lovely, you deserve someone who has earned the right to sit next to you on that sofa through love, honesty and integrity. May that space be reserved for friends and loved ones until that person comes along. You still love and miss him because you're human with emotions but you deserve more because you're wonderful and brilliant. Koko x

BravingSpring · 14/06/2015 20:58

Just had a good cry ordering a Fathers day card for dd to give to H, we picked one from Moon Pig so we could tone it down, never thought I'd have to do that, we've always made a fuss of Fathers day, but he can't have a superhero/wonderful father card now.

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Rozalia · 14/06/2015 21:23

This is the first year of my life I haven't been involved with Father's Day, one way or another. My Dad died 10 weeks ago and I sure as hell am not getting involved with any Father's Day stuff for STBXH. I wish my inbox didn't keep filling up with F Day "Gift Ideas" though, now my Dad's gone.

I keep my head down when posts are about legal stuff, I'm dreading it. I know STBXH will try to bully me into doing what he wants. Which will be to keep as much control over me as he can. He's not going to like it when I don't meekly go along with his plans and I'm not expecting it to be pleasant. I'm sure he'll pull out all the abusive tricks in his armoury. I've no intention of being coerced into what he wants - especially chose SHL with this in mind. But it won't be nice Sad.

Yesterday I spent some time in Meh. Had to spend some time in company of STBXH. Didn't feel a single pang, felt totally Meh. It was great Grin.

Today I hastily left a shop which was playing "Let Her Go" by Passenger. STBXH sent me a YouTube link to it about a month ago and it upsets me because I know he is genuinely miserable. But abusive men can be genuinely miserable. Not being hoovered.

So it's a roller coaster still, but definitely levelling out. I have been there and I can confirm Meh exists. No matter how stunned, heartbroken and shattered you are now, my lovelies,Meh exists and you will get there.

Cassawoof · 14/06/2015 21:44

Evening all, I too don't understand how they were not willing to try at their marriages to save their families. I now do things with the DCs he would love, and it's so sad he doesn't want this. I am trying to be open to new things now, and do things I wouldn't have before, so have been swimming in an open freshwater pool today which I would never have done before.

I thought today, we can replace them, find a new partner, someone to love us and have a relationship With, but he can't replace his relationship with his children which he will lose by having walked out.

Been reading everyone's updates, sorry some of you are having a hard time, 2little, you are doing amazingly at such a hard time, if it helps this can never reflect will on him!

iwashappy · 14/06/2015 21:52

I'm sorry I've not posted much recently and not been offering much support and advice. I've just been struggling a lot with ex and OW buying a house across the road from where I live and with Nisi approaching. I also had a lot of shit to deal with on the site the other day and I've felt I've needed a break.

With everything going on at the moment and with me not posting much I don't think it's appropriate for me to start the next thread but I hope to be in a better place to maybe do the one after if everyone is okay with that.

There's been some very moving posts on here tonight. 2little I can relate to an awful lot of what you are saying, some of what you have posted is exactly how I feel.

Rozalia pleased to hear meh has been visited. I hope you get to spend a lot of time there very soon.

Thinking of you all and KOKO. xx

bobs123 · 14/06/2015 22:45

Roz you are doing so well - good for you Star

iwas yes I read the other thread. It was brave of you to post in light of the fishing expedition going on and you did get a lot of support which shut people up.

Don't worry about doing the next thread. I think semtex has volunteered, haven't you semtex??? Smile

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Izzie595 · 14/06/2015 23:17

The ex will have to collect his Father's Day card. They won't send anything to him, they refuse to acknowledge her existence. Anyway, I've posted numerous times about how little he has seen them. I told him it would happen. That was apparently vile. No, it was the fucking truth, as I predicted. I will never forgive him for making so little effort to see his sons. He will lose contact with them. It seems contact between him and DS2 is waning, no doubt because DS2 tells him as it is. So the coward avoids him. What sort of man does that? He will lose contact with both of them. He brought it on himself. My sons are fine without him. They have been let down in the most appalling way. They will recover, they are fine young men. He is not. And won't.

Izzie595 · 14/06/2015 23:18

Karma. You shit on your family that many times, you lose them

Izzie595 · 14/06/2015 23:26

Cassa exactly

Izzie595 · 14/06/2015 23:43

I'm stepping away from the thread for a while.

Hobbitwife001 · 14/06/2015 23:52

Nah, no Father's Day card winging on its way to him here either, not exactly gonna win "dad of the year" trophy in this house.

Just realised he is on holiday again, in Madrid, with her, where we went last year as a couple, twat! Should have stayed away from FB, or cut my fingers off so I couldn't do any stalkery. It was in Madrid where I first asked him if she was a problem, I'd already started to get a bad feeling about it, of course he feigned outrage that I would even ask such a thing!
Fuck me, so far away from 'meh' still, why do I even care? But he makes me so angry still, Angry

WellWhoKnew · 15/06/2015 00:38

Evening all.

Yes it's the same 'bastard' first thought of the day for me too. It can be any bit of the whole ordeal - sometimes I want to climb back in the witness box and say more, and sometimes I just want to scream at him.

BUT it DOES get easier. I have to admit I was sceptical about that in the early months. I'm no longer burning with pain and despair from head to toe and I do have periods where I don't think about any of it.

And there are some really good things about him going:

I no longer get shouted at on a daily basis.
I no longer get blamed for everything.
I feel more comfortable talking to men in general (as in I'm not going to accused of having an affair...or divorced for it!!!). [Man in bed is still not on the agenda it has to be said although mebbe one day...]
I can eat whenever I want to (indeed if I want to!).
I no longer get told what to think, do and say. That is bloody marvellous!
I have made lots of new friends both via MN and locally. I'm confident now I can move to Scotland and get myself a decent life going there too.

I think my world will always have some shades of grey because of what he did. I don't think it's ever something you completely recover from, but that said - if I'd known just how horrific my divorce would end up being, I think I would have topped myself early on. I can hand on heart say - please just KOKO, the best you can, day by day. It really does get easier. Not easy, necessarily, but easier.

Iwas Hobbit told me yesterday that they'd moved so bloody close (as if they weren't close enough). My jaw hit the floor - I think it's outrageous they can be so dreadfully tactless and insensitive. Just as I think I've heard it all, then something comes along and truly shocks me.

I know I always ask people not to make comparisons with others or start a sentence with the words 'At least...' . On this occasion, I am very thankful that despite the hell of my divorce, I can honestly say 'at least I don't have him living on my door step'. It's rare I can't find something to say to be supportive or encouraging - but on this matter, I'm stumped.

So please don't apologise for not posting frequently or offering support. We all understand that THIS SHIT IS HARD. Take care.

Roz - I'm glad you're finding 'meh' occasionally too. You're right - the divorce will be the next weapon of choice to bully you with. However, you're really starting to find some self-esteem and your own 'voice'. I think that will help you cope with it tremendously. As MrsC is learning to say 'Yawn, move on' when hers starts with his obnoxious shite. And he's genuinely a cunt. I've met him.

Izzie my parents separated when I was 15 and although we children knew, the 'outside world' most definitely did not. My father then refused to support us financially (guess who was the only sibling who had to self-fund through uni - three jobs and a uni course meant I never got bored!). I was the only child who kept in contact with him. I last spoke to my father when I was 22. In my most diplomatic manner I told him to fuck off. I did once get a card from him when I was in my early 30s saying 'can we not lose touch?'. My siblings were not so fortunate to be remembered. Sadly he forgot to supply an address or phone number but it did have an foreign stamp on the card.

So if anyone lives in South Africa would you mind telling my father that I didn't lose touch with him. I gave up with him. He's white, 6ft, in his 70s and, erm, he used to have a beard. He may well still have one. Thanks.

And you know what - I genuinely think my life was better for him not being in it.

Shame I fucked up with marriage too but hey ho. I told one idiot to do one and one idiot did one. My life is balanced....

TheFormidableMrsC · 15/06/2015 01:37

WWK, your post made me cry. A truly moving account of the pain of these situations. You are right in that I think something like this changes you forever, you have no control over it, you have so little control over the terrible damage it does to the children involved (however hard you try), that life changing events are forced upon you leaving you powerless to do anything to stop it. The mind blowing self centred selfishness of people who inflict this on another human being will always confound me. I am not advocating staying in an unhappy marriage, I have been divorced before, I was very unhappy, very young and got married under huge pressure, but I never treated my husband like he was something I scraped off my shoe. He was a lovely and decent man and deserved better than an unhappy wife who had fallen out of love with him. It will always be one of my biggest regrets in life. We are all guilty of making mistakes, of making the wrong choices sometimes but what you don't do is spend (in my case nearly two years) absolutely trying to destroy the other person, damage your children, financially, emotionally and psychologically abuse over and over again. I will never get it for as long as I live.

You are right that we are better off without them and I have spent some considerable time being honest with myself about things I should have addressed a long time ago. I should have acknowledged that my DD was frightened of H. I should have realised that when he kicked her bedroom door in that he had a massive problem. I will question myself forever over my terrible judgement about a man who I loved so much I was blinded to his flaws. I always supported him, always helped him, gave him the baby he longed for and he has repaid me thus. He has damaged my children irrevocably, DD so cynical and emotionless about "men" at only 16 years old. You and I have oft discussed how this will effect her in years to come.

However, on a brighter note, we are no longer victims, we have a chance to rebuild our lives in a way we deserve. I know that I can live with myself, that I have done the best for my kids, the inadequate oxygen thief I lived with for so many years will never be able to say the same. I hope when he wakes up that he's haunted by what he has done. The internal ugliness that he hid so well is now plastered all over his face and body. He and OW are well suited...but there is a child there too who doesn't deserve my husband in his life. He really doesn't and she won't know it yet, but it will come to pass...his history says it all.

Ladies and random man, KOKO, this WILL pass but SHIT IT IS HARD. Tomorrow is another day Smile

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TheFormidableMrsC · 15/06/2015 01:41

I wish there was an "edit post" button...affect, not effect.

Insomnia. It's a bastard.

TheFormidableMrsC · 15/06/2015 01:44

Gosh, I am doing well tonight...double post alert...have reported the double post...sorry Hmm

bobs123 · 15/06/2015 09:01

green thinking of you today - stay strong Flowers

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