My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Relationships

Being married to a 12 year old.....

230 replies

Pinkpeter · 31/05/2015 11:17

Regular but name changed.

This is my second marriage. First was short and I'll advised, no kids. His second marriage too. He has three kids from previous marriage and a relationship before marriage. We have two kids together, 8 and 5.
I am generally quite unhappy. I am very conscious that I don't want another failed marriage but conscious that we have done marriage guidance twice but we still keep on having issues.

His good points: he works hard at work, does overtime, very involved with his other kids and fought for all the contact he has, which is standard now, every other weekend and half the hols. Lots of issues there, but they would be deal able with if we got on better. Lots of the issues there were probably caused by our very argumentative marriage and how he treats me in front of the kids.
He takes the kids out, parks etc, he pays all the bills, apart from food and clothes, shoes, birthdays etc, I pay all those. He moans I don't pay enough but I earn less than a quarter than him.
He used to be funny, kind, loving and pull his weight and be clean.
Bad points: he often shouts at the kids in a very aggressive manner. He can't cope when they are running around just being kids, he has a hobby that dominates a lot of his time and keeps him glued to the PC. He is often unkind, shouty, and makes jokes at my expense . If I do this back, he can't deal with it but thinks as long as he finds something it is ok to hurt my feelings or take the piss out of me.
He has put on a lot of weight and often smells, so much the living room stinks. If I say nicely, please can you have a bath, he makes such a fuss and is offended. He belches constantly, big loud belching, I mean, several every minute. I have asked him to stop but he just ignores me. His default reply to anything I say or ask is in a nasty tone or sarcastic. He speaks to me like dirt a lot of the time, even first thing in the morning when I can't have done anything to upset him. If I do upset him, he can sulk for days and won't speak. Then when he is ready, he can't discuss anything and I am expected to just get on and forget about it and never discuss anything. A big bad point...he never accepts he has done anything wrong. He always has a reason, an excuse, but he never accepts responsibility for anything. The house often has a bad atmosphere when he is around. He shouts at the kids, is unnecessarily mean to them, will not implement any discipline techniques, just shouting. They are not bad kids at all, quite well behaved but naughty sometimes, like all kids.
This morning I couldn't understand why the milk had been decanted into a glass in the fridge. I am never allowed to sleep past 8am or he will come into my bedroom, (we sleep apart as he snores and twitches terribly, plus sometimes he smells) . I ask him why and he said I didn't need to know. Very hypocritical as I have to answer any question he asks me. I then find out he took the bottle to the bedroom so he could wee in at night! And when I ask why, he says so he doesn't wake up our son !!!
I am utterly disgusted with this. He goes to the loo often in the night and I have said he should go to the doctors but he refuses. I just can't believe how disgusting this is and how he thinks it is acceptable behaviour. I already have to deal with his 12 year old sense of humour, typical tits, arse, fanny jokes.
I don't know what to do or what I want to happen. As he never takes responsibility , he never admits anything is his fault. I don't want to break up our family , I want him to just grow up and act like a man. I don't want to be married to a 12 year old, as I tell him frequently. I want adult conversation, he seems incapable of it at home, but can at work. He just gets home, and turns into a 12 year old. He has a responsible job, think accountant etc.

any suggestions cos I don't want to break up our family.

OP posts:
Report
RubbishMantra · 31/05/2015 12:45

He laughs at women's pants and he smells?

How many more years can you see yourself putting up with this idiot?

Report
brusselsproutwarning · 31/05/2015 12:48

As pp said, it's not a failure.
It's actually a success on your part,seeing all the signs and realising that he is disgusting and mean to YOU ALL!. Total success on your part. Move on to a happier life with your kids. Life is there to be enjoyed, not stuck underneath a smelly emotional abuser that has the signs it will turn violent. Go. With your kids. Go.

Report
ThingummyJigg · 31/05/2015 12:51
  1. He sounds awful. If you were single now, how wide a berth would you give him? How concerned would you be for a friend/sister/total stranger who had written your OP? How sad would the person you were before you met him, feel for who you are now?


  1. His behaviour towards you leads me to think he wants you to leave him. Or he enjoys torturing you. In which case, leave him.


  1. Agree with Vanilla - this "man" has failed you, his older children, and your children. Better divorced and free, than stuck in a miserable marriage. He sounds like a terrible husband, father, partner and human being. Actually that's where he's failed - at being a human.


What you can do is start making a plan to leave. You need to sort finances, a place to go, think carefully about your safety, see a solicitor if you can afford one, ditto a counsellor if you think that will help.

You deserve to be happy. You don't deserve to live miserably.
Report
Viviennemary · 31/05/2015 12:56

He isn't a very nice man. So I can't see any reason to stay. In fact he's pretty horrible all round.

Report
DinosaursRoar · 31/05/2015 13:00

has he always been like this? Is there a point he changed or was it gradual or was it a case of you not thinking it was 'that bad' to start with/him getting worse?

Worth working out if something in him changed or something in you that you went from 'not minding his faults' to hating them.

People only change if they want to. They can pretend for a bit, but not properly change.

Do you know why his two other serious relationships (that lead to DCs) failed? Similar issues?

Report
mumofthemonsters808 · 31/05/2015 13:05

The smell issue for me would be the straw that broke the camels back. I could not live with anyone with poor body hygiene unless they were poorly. I feel for you, it sounds a dire situation.

Report
Pinkpeter · 31/05/2015 13:10

I feel like I've been unfair. He doesn't always smell, just sometimes. And he is having fun with the kids now. They love him, and although he shouts at them it isn't all the time. He does read them stories and put them to bed, although I do have to constantly say to him, use a nice voice as his default is stern, but they love him!
I just wish he would make an effort. No, he wasn't like this at the start, I wouldn't have married him. He wasn't as overweight, he washed, he helped out. He really doesn't have to do much in the house, but he does have to be nagged into doing it.
I suppose I think, how bad to it have to be to leave. I do think I am wasting my life, but then I think maybe I am just putting it on hold for the children. Maybe one day he will want to treat me with respect.
I am trying to think what he would say about me. He would say I don't speak nicely to him...although I always start off nice, then respond in turn when he is horrible back. I have made it very clear what I don't like, so he can't say he doesn't know. He would say I nag, I would say I wouldn't have to if he did his jibs and actually helped out at times without having to be asked. He would say I don't give him sex very often, but I really don't want to after being spoken to badly. I don't know what his other complaints would be about me. He never comes to me and says we need to address this and that, he just sulks if I have upset him and often I have no clue why.

OP posts:
Report
woowoo22 · 31/05/2015 13:14

He will never change. You can minimise everything in your own brain, but he won't change.

How much shit in your coffee is acceptable? 20%? 10%

Report
Pinkpeter · 31/05/2015 13:14

Can anyone advise me on how to speak to him about changing himself and our relationship? I want it to work? Some ways to talk or write things down so he can see what the issues are so they can be addressed?

OP posts:
Report
Mumoftwoyoungkids · 31/05/2015 13:14

He put his hands round your neck and threatened to kill you?

And you went back?

Why would you do that to your children?

He hasn't hit you yet. He hasn't actually strangled you yet. But he's not averse to the idea.

Report
AnyFucker · 31/05/2015 13:18

you haven't been unfair

the strangling episode should tell you there is no fixing this

Report
twistletonsmythe · 31/05/2015 13:18

Hands round the neck is a huge red flag, massive. If you told the police that they would take it very very seriously. Next step to that - well it could be murder. That alone is way more than enough. I don't care if he is nice to the kids sometimes. He should be nice all the time. They love him - so what. They prob live in terror of his temper too. Spend their time hoping he will be nice to them and not frighten them.

Report
twistletonsmythe · 31/05/2015 13:19

And him using the word nag about you - well that is foul, sexist and just plain bloody nasty.

Report
Thetruthshallmakeyefret · 31/05/2015 13:21

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

VanillaTwirl · 31/05/2015 13:21

Lol Pink, didn't mean to make you cry! Sorry Blush

One of the great things about mn (I think) is the consistent message that we are 'worth it' - we deserve to be treated properly, and we deserve to be treated with respect.

Flowers

Report
ImperialBlether · 31/05/2015 13:21

Sorry, OP, I can't talk to you about how he could change - he's not going to change from a disgusting pig of a man who has said he would kill you if you left him.

I think you need a conversation with Women's Aid, tbh. Never mind his stinking and belching and general horribleness, normal men do not threaten to kill you if you leave - you really have to take this seriously.

Report
ChinUpChestOut · 31/05/2015 13:25

Wow. I too read your post open mouthed. I admire your willingness to continue working on your relationship, but seriously if you've already had counselling twice, and it hasn't worked why do you think tips from Mumsnet will perform the necessary miracle?

I'm so sorry if that seems harsh, but you and your DC deserve so much more than this. Yes this might mean your 2nd marriage has failed. But my God, you've certainly given it your best shot. Your DC must not grow up in a house where peeing in a bottle, poor personal hygiene, angry voices and a total lack of respect towards their mother is acceptable. Leave. Kick him out. But do not stay with him.

And if any man put his hands round my neck and threatened to kill me I would fucking knee him in the nuts and drag his carcase to the front door and tip him out.

Report
woowoo22 · 31/05/2015 13:27

Nothing you can do/say/be/have will change him OP.

Believe you me, I got my first ever thread on here deleted as I gave my story and everyone went "Shock LTB" and I said but but but, then had a hissy fit and got MNHQ to pull the thread Blush

That was when I was pg, finally left him when DS was 18mo. Best decision ever made EVER. Wish had listened to objective viewpoints at the time though, would have saved about 2 years of living hell.

Anyway, nothing at all you can do can make him change. Nothing. If he saw that there were issues and wanted to fix them, he'd already have done that surely? So the options seem like either put up, or leave.

The hands round your neck is chilling and very scary.

Report
Pinkpeter · 31/05/2015 13:29

I don't ever think he would hurt me, but he has never discussed when he did that apart from to say he didn't mean it. He doesn't understand that it is the worst things that anyone has ever said to me and for it to come from my husband is even worse. He doesn't even think about it I am sure, but I think about it often. He didn't touch me, he just went to. He was angry. I know I sound like I am trying to pretend it isn't that bad. Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes he is nice and we all have fun. He would be devasted to hear other people's thoughts as he thinks he is a good person, he is the life and soul and is always saying how much I love him. He frequently wants praise as to how wonderful he is for something he has done.
He doesn't understand that I can't actively love him, although deep down I do, as the man he used to be and as the father of my children.

OP posts:
Report
woowoo22 · 31/05/2015 13:32

What do you want though OP? How do you want your home and life to be?

Report
brusselsproutwarning · 31/05/2015 13:33

Op, if he was hygienic and clean...would it really make that much of a difference?

Report
twistletonsmythe · 31/05/2015 13:35

he already has hurt you and the children - don't you think emotional abuse is damaging? It is insidious and maybe not as obvious, but some would argue it is just as bad as physical abuse. I think it is.

And google the cycle of abuse - of course he is nice sometimes. He counts on you sticking around putting up with his shit in the hope the nice bits will return. The only acceptable level of abuse is none. And loving the man he used to be is futile. If you met him as he is now you prob wouldn't get past the first date. An abusive belching dirty man who pisses in a bottle and puts his hands around your neck and bullies your children - why would you consider a man like that. Don't cling on to him because he used to be a bit nice to you once.

Report

Don’t want to miss threads like this?

Weekly

Sign up to our weekly round up and get all the best threads sent straight to your inbox!

Log in to update your newsletter preferences.

You've subscribed!

Duckdeamon · 31/05/2015 13:42

He is abusive and even threatened to kill you with his hand round your neck - and has never even apologised? On top of all his multiple failings as a partner and father and abusive behaviour.

You can't make him change with counselling or whatever and it is extremely unlikely he will. The current situation is bad for you and for the DC. The best thing you can do is leave him, perhaps with help from a women's organisation.

He could still see plenty of his DC and be a decent father. You could have a much better life.

Report
StrumpersPlunkett · 31/05/2015 13:47

I am so sorry you are in this position.
my thoughts on reading all your posts are that you seem very emotionally intelligent, so, looking at your kids what would your advice to them be if they were in a relationship you are in?
I would not want that for my children and I assume you wouldn't either?

Talking to him about it in a serious manner is of course the way to go initially, however along with this I would be preparing myself for this being the end of my marriage.

It sounds like he needs time to sort out his life, balancing out the work/hobby/family attitude, everything going to work and hobby with little left for family or personal pride separation at least for a short period would perhaps make him understand the seriousness of your concerns for the marriage?

Report
LumpySpacedPrincess · 31/05/2015 13:55

He is damaging your children by the way he treats you in front of them. Your sons could grow up to inflict this behaviour on their partners and your daughters could end up in relationships like this. He has threatened you physically and is emotionally abusive. I think you need to end the relationship for the sake of your children, show them what a strong capable woman can do. Be the role model they need.

Report
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.