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I am the OW...

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spitefulme · 20/05/2015 20:50

Long story short...
I am a 38 year old woman, 1 child, separated, I have a fuck buddies relation with a married man.

3 years ago I separated from my husband of 11 years because of his drinking. We had a phase of getting back together, he wanted to start treatment but didn't. Instead, he found himself a mistress and a marriage didn't survive. I used to see my husband as a soulmate and had a number of happy years together, but now I doubt how much real it all was, as he is a person with obvious NPD traits, and even the past with him seems like one big lie now. Sometimes I think that the only good think I got out of this marriage is my beautiful daughter.
Ex is still 'happy' with the OW, 15 years younger than me.

In the meantime I had one serious relationship which died as well, as my partner didn't want to commit because of distance between us and disability of one of his young children.

Despite receiving counselling and taking antidepressants for years now, it seems like I cannot sort out my own head and understand that I need to see my own value first, before I get into any relationship, otherwise it will never be healthy.

I was in very bad place for the last couple of months, I desperately needed someone who would 'confirm' my value, made me feel wanted again. Pathetic, I know.

I threw myself in a string of casual sex relations, I guess I met 4-5 men and I had sex with all of them. Most of them were met online.
One of the men I met is married. The nicest one, the only one who actually doesn't treat me as meat, as fuck, he is genuinely interested in me as a human being. I think this is what attracts me most to him.
He claims that he lives in a sexless marriage.
He loves his wife and his 2 little children, but his wife has very low sex drive and pushes him away whenever he wants to be intimate. He says that she always had very little needs but since children arrived, they have sex 3-4 times a year. He tried to talk to her about it but she finds excuses of being busy with children and says she doesn't really need it. He suggested therapy, going away, babysitter so they could have time together - all she says is no, because she is happy the way it is. He says she trusts him 100% and they always been good friends, so she would never ever think he can cheat. So he decided he just needs to find someone for sex to fill this gap...
I developed friendship with that guy, we met a couple fo times and finally we had sex. It was great, we are very compatible and I could easily say that he is deprived of it. He is a very passionate man and I struggle to imagine that any healthy woman wouldn't be happy to make love to him, which leads me to conclusion that his wife does have issues with her sex drive.

He claims he doesn't want to split with his wife, that he cannot imagine living without his children, but on the other hand he cannot carry on without sex.

I know I should end this and what we do is just disgusting.
The facts are that he cheats on his wife and I am the OW.
On the other hand I kind of 'justify' it by thinking that for both of us it is just sex and a bit of intimacy. I have no intentions of splitting his family, he would never do it anyway, and I would never want it as I know best how it hurts, how much children suffer etc.
The risk of his wife finding out are minimal - we never speak on the phone, just text via kik or email. We don't exchange any dirty pictures, meet once a month maximum. He is normally very devoted to his family and children, it's not like he deprives them of his time, attention, money. We don't exchange any gifts or pay for hotels or trips - it is all very casual and we both lead our independent lives, apart from this short hours of intimacy.
I know it will have to end at some point, and every time I see him, I feel guilty... but then I think that if it wasn't me, it would be someone else... and at least I have no intentions of messing his life up.
Now, why am I writing all this... I guess it is because of guilt. I was always quite strict about being faithful and honest in relationship and in general, never cheated myself, but after that last year, when I was lied to and cheated on by my own husband, and then disappointed in another relationship, it is as if something broke inside me. I just don't feel like it's worth being honest, being the good one anymore. All the genuine and honest people around me end up lonely or used, and the ones who think of themselves are just better off... like my ex and his mistress, like so many other people I know.
I am aware of the fact that my self esteem is crushed now, that probably the only reason I am sleeping with a married man is the fact that I like the attention he gives me. I like him a lot as a person and obviously worry that I can develop feeling at some point, which will leave me in even deeper hole than now.
I would like to have a normal loving relationship but I kind of lost faith in it. It's like I have already had my bit of love with ex husband and there is nothing left for me in this life, apart from being a shag for a man, who still loves someone else.
Why am I writing all this... I think I just need someone to talk some sense into me. That arrangement leads nowewhere, I do not want to harm anybody but I am, in a way, doing this... I know affairs are wrong, that nobody deserves to be cheated on... but still I am in it. My counselor said that I do not harm anyone because I am single and I do not cheat, it's him... but still I do feel guilty.
How to change it? How to come back to the values I used to believe in, after having them rubbed in my face by ex and after doing what I did?

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avantbard · 21/05/2015 19:19

Ok, set aside the first line. What is the issue with the rest?

Genuine question.

CactusAnnie · 21/05/2015 19:24

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avocadogreen · 21/05/2015 19:24

You need to leave. He is using you and also stopping you from having a healthy relationship with someone who appreciates you. You have a daughter, how would you feel if she found out? Or if one day she got herself into the same situation?

For what it's worth, when I found out about exH and OW I intercepted quite a few texts and emails. He had also spun her all sorts of stories about how we didn't have sex anymore, the relationship was over etc. It was all lies.

avantbard · 21/05/2015 19:26

CactusAnnie

Ah it's just angry bluster because I interrupted you venting at the OW.

Carry on x

CactusAnnie · 21/05/2015 19:31

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AnyFucker · 21/05/2015 19:32

avant just because you are married to a particular woman it does not give you access to her body whether she feels like it or not

I am sorry to remind you that the days of wives being the sexual property of their husbands are over

hope you are about that Thanks

AnyFucker · 21/05/2015 19:33

hope you are ok ....I realise that this piece of info may come as somewhat of a shock to you

avantbard · 21/05/2015 19:38

Again AnyFucker

I did not say that being married gives a man access to a woman's body, as you know.

What I did say was that if there is a massive discrepancy between the sex drive of two people it is an issue that needs to be addressed.

Sex is a big part of a relationship. Dismissing any issues with it shows an utter lack of respect for your husband or partner.

If a bloke decided to stop working, or stop helping with childcare, or stopped helping with chores, or stopped giving you any affection at all, it's an issue that you'd rightly want dealt with.

So why not sex?

SoManyQuestions219 · 21/05/2015 19:39

Women, this is IMPORTANT.

Slightly vom inducing phrase. Thanks for the advice avantbard Hmm.

In my case it is my husband who has zero libido. We sleep together on average once a month (usually instigated by me). In between he rarely touches me and never says anything nice or gives me a hug etc..

However I am here for the time being as I don't want to separate and see my dc only half the time or worse still not often if they decide to live with h Sad.

I suppose that some things are more important than sex!

StaceyAndTracey · 21/05/2015 19:43

I always turn to Mumsnet when I feel the need to find out what a man thinks is IMPORTANT

avantbard · 21/05/2015 19:43

SoManyQuestions219

Okay, so you're staying for the sake of the children/stability.

But it sounds like you'd be out the door otherwise. Which perhaps proves my point about the importance of it.

SoManyQuestions219 · 21/05/2015 19:47

avantbard

Yes it's important but to women as well as men was part of my point.

The other is that it is livable without.

Also that in the case of the OP's mm, he should have the decency of separating from his wife rather than deceiving her in the way he is doing.

avantbard · 21/05/2015 20:01

SoManyQuestions219

Agreed, he's acted in a shitty way.

iwashappy · 21/05/2015 20:42

Avantbard to answer your question I was having sex with my husband 3-4 times a year, I found out he was having an affair and ended my marriage.

I was aware that we were having sex a lot less frequently that he would have liked and knew it was an issue. But I didn't know it was a problem. A narrow but important difference.

We had talked about it and whilst I knew he would have liked more sex I had no idea that he was seeking sexual thrills elsewhere. He told me "men are easily satisfied" (his exact words) so I thought he was okay sorting himself out and having occasional sex.

If he had talked to me and told me how he really felt I would have tried to see if we could have sorted something out between us. But he didn't give me that chance. As it turned out he had cheated on me even when our sex life was a lot better so I think he would have cheated regardless. However at the time I wished so much that he had made me realise how important it was to him instead of going to bed with another woman.

donemekmelarf · 21/05/2015 21:22

I actually agree with avantgard (to an extent)

It amazes me that a woman will very often find time to do all the grotty jobs of the day - clean the toilet, scrub the kitchen floor, take out the trash, clean the oven, clean up the cat/dog sick and yet, - she can't spare 10 minutes having sex with her husband.

If you can find the time to do all those other things, why can't you make time to make love - with your husband? Sex keeps couples close. It's important.
It's something you should make time for.

If you refuse to have sex with your husband for weeks, maybe months on end, you can't complain if he goes looking elsewhere. Especially if he has a high sex drive. Why would you marry someone, then deny them sex?

(and I say this as someone who has been cheated on)

Vivacia · 21/05/2015 21:51

If a bloke decided to stop working, or stop helping with childcare, or stopped helping with chores, or stopped giving you any affection at all, it's an issue that you'd rightly want dealt with.

and

It amazes me that a woman will very often find time to do all the grotty jobs of the day - clean the toilet, scrub the kitchen floor, take out the trash, clean the oven, clean up the cat/dog sick and yet, - she can't spare 10 minutes having sex with her husband.

Having sex is not the same thing as performing a chore. Perhaps some of you think being serviced by a woman is the same as having them clean your toilet or take out the rubbish but it's actually a very different thing altogether. Sorry to break that to you.

It's something you should make time for.

Don't you dare tell me what I should do with my body or who I can't deny sex to.

Fairenuff · 21/05/2015 22:04

I'm always up for ten minutes of fantastic quick sex with my husband after I've cleaned the toilet, scrubbed the kitchen floor, taken out the trash, cleaned the oven and cleaned up the cat/dog sick. Anything less and I'm just not in the mood.

iwashappy · 21/05/2015 22:08

Agree with Vivacia sex should not be put in the same category as chores. I could have found the time to have had more sex with my husband but it wasn't about the time. If you don't feel like it then you don't feel like it. I didn't choose to lose my sex drive and my husband didn't want to talk me into something he knew I didn't really want to do.

You should have sex with someone because you want to, not because you feel you have to to prevent them cheating. I doubt many people get married intending to deny their husband sex. But children, job, housework, tiredness, age means that the frequency of sex often diminishes.

If it gets to the point where the frequency goes below a level where one spouse is tempted to cheat then for God's sake spell it out to your spouse how serious it is for you rather than jumping into bed with someone else.

DottyStripes · 21/05/2015 22:10

Oh yes, the necessary chores or we'd live in squalor they do get me in the mood for a shagHmm

Especially the evenings I clear up vom, those ones especially make me feel sexy

iwashappy · 21/05/2015 22:11

Fairenuff that's obviously where I went wrong. My husband always used to take the bins out. Clearly I should have done that as well as everything else and I might have been in the mood more often. Grin

Fairenuff · 21/05/2015 22:19

Maybe those people with piles of cat sick scattered randomly about their house are the ones having lots of sex?

Glittery7 · 21/05/2015 22:21

OP, what are you actually getting out of this? Honestly? Buy yourself a dildo or flick yourself off.

This man is using you as an available hole for a snag.
Get some respect for yourself love.

DottyStripes · 21/05/2015 22:21

I think they probably are. I'd rather not have the sick and have no sex though tbh

Fairenuff · 21/05/2015 22:26

Too shagged for housework Grin

I am the OW...
StaceyAndTracey · 21/05/2015 23:30

Could I point out that if it only takes 10 mins, you're not doing it right ?