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I am the OW...

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spitefulme · 20/05/2015 20:50

Long story short...
I am a 38 year old woman, 1 child, separated, I have a fuck buddies relation with a married man.

3 years ago I separated from my husband of 11 years because of his drinking. We had a phase of getting back together, he wanted to start treatment but didn't. Instead, he found himself a mistress and a marriage didn't survive. I used to see my husband as a soulmate and had a number of happy years together, but now I doubt how much real it all was, as he is a person with obvious NPD traits, and even the past with him seems like one big lie now. Sometimes I think that the only good think I got out of this marriage is my beautiful daughter.
Ex is still 'happy' with the OW, 15 years younger than me.

In the meantime I had one serious relationship which died as well, as my partner didn't want to commit because of distance between us and disability of one of his young children.

Despite receiving counselling and taking antidepressants for years now, it seems like I cannot sort out my own head and understand that I need to see my own value first, before I get into any relationship, otherwise it will never be healthy.

I was in very bad place for the last couple of months, I desperately needed someone who would 'confirm' my value, made me feel wanted again. Pathetic, I know.

I threw myself in a string of casual sex relations, I guess I met 4-5 men and I had sex with all of them. Most of them were met online.
One of the men I met is married. The nicest one, the only one who actually doesn't treat me as meat, as fuck, he is genuinely interested in me as a human being. I think this is what attracts me most to him.
He claims that he lives in a sexless marriage.
He loves his wife and his 2 little children, but his wife has very low sex drive and pushes him away whenever he wants to be intimate. He says that she always had very little needs but since children arrived, they have sex 3-4 times a year. He tried to talk to her about it but she finds excuses of being busy with children and says she doesn't really need it. He suggested therapy, going away, babysitter so they could have time together - all she says is no, because she is happy the way it is. He says she trusts him 100% and they always been good friends, so she would never ever think he can cheat. So he decided he just needs to find someone for sex to fill this gap...
I developed friendship with that guy, we met a couple fo times and finally we had sex. It was great, we are very compatible and I could easily say that he is deprived of it. He is a very passionate man and I struggle to imagine that any healthy woman wouldn't be happy to make love to him, which leads me to conclusion that his wife does have issues with her sex drive.

He claims he doesn't want to split with his wife, that he cannot imagine living without his children, but on the other hand he cannot carry on without sex.

I know I should end this and what we do is just disgusting.
The facts are that he cheats on his wife and I am the OW.
On the other hand I kind of 'justify' it by thinking that for both of us it is just sex and a bit of intimacy. I have no intentions of splitting his family, he would never do it anyway, and I would never want it as I know best how it hurts, how much children suffer etc.
The risk of his wife finding out are minimal - we never speak on the phone, just text via kik or email. We don't exchange any dirty pictures, meet once a month maximum. He is normally very devoted to his family and children, it's not like he deprives them of his time, attention, money. We don't exchange any gifts or pay for hotels or trips - it is all very casual and we both lead our independent lives, apart from this short hours of intimacy.
I know it will have to end at some point, and every time I see him, I feel guilty... but then I think that if it wasn't me, it would be someone else... and at least I have no intentions of messing his life up.
Now, why am I writing all this... I guess it is because of guilt. I was always quite strict about being faithful and honest in relationship and in general, never cheated myself, but after that last year, when I was lied to and cheated on by my own husband, and then disappointed in another relationship, it is as if something broke inside me. I just don't feel like it's worth being honest, being the good one anymore. All the genuine and honest people around me end up lonely or used, and the ones who think of themselves are just better off... like my ex and his mistress, like so many other people I know.
I am aware of the fact that my self esteem is crushed now, that probably the only reason I am sleeping with a married man is the fact that I like the attention he gives me. I like him a lot as a person and obviously worry that I can develop feeling at some point, which will leave me in even deeper hole than now.
I would like to have a normal loving relationship but I kind of lost faith in it. It's like I have already had my bit of love with ex husband and there is nothing left for me in this life, apart from being a shag for a man, who still loves someone else.
Why am I writing all this... I think I just need someone to talk some sense into me. That arrangement leads nowewhere, I do not want to harm anybody but I am, in a way, doing this... I know affairs are wrong, that nobody deserves to be cheated on... but still I am in it. My counselor said that I do not harm anyone because I am single and I do not cheat, it's him... but still I do feel guilty.
How to change it? How to come back to the values I used to believe in, after having them rubbed in my face by ex and after doing what I did?

OP posts:
mooth · 20/05/2015 22:25

So you conclude that his wife does have issues with her sex drive, as after having regular sex with her husband, you can't understand why any healthy woman wouldn't want to.

Lucky you were there to step in and provide that release for him. Perhaps his wife could get counselling? If she's not too busy caring for their two children, of course.

I feel pity for you, living your life in that way.

workingtoohardmum · 20/05/2015 22:32

You've taken the first step to try and get yourself out of this ditch. We all seek love and intimacy from another human being and we are at our most vulnerable when we have been badly hurt in the past. This relationship however is not good for you , his wife, the children you know this that's why you are posting on here, you are not a bad person. Seek out all the help you can and in time you will recover and move on . GoodLuck

Fairenuff · 20/05/2015 22:38

Just ask yourself this question: 'Is he the sort of man who lies or not'.

That will tell you all you need to know about him.

spitefulme · 20/05/2015 22:39

Many thanks to all who take time to post in this thread.
Just to clarify about my counsellor, I think she is pretty good, it's just me who is obviously too fucked up to respond quickly enough. What she said was that I am not doing the cheating bit, it's him, but obviously it is not right what I am doing.

Re the MM... I am very much aware that he can feed me with loads of lies.
However, I am usually quite good at reading them and I am pretty sure that is not the case. He doesn't really speak much about his wife or family, doesn't complain, if he does speak, he speaks highly of her, never mention that she doesn't understand me or is bad in any way, just say they are too different with their approach to intimacy. Apart from that they get on very well. She is still very young, only 26, he is 34. Anything I know, I sort of dragged out of him and he is always clearly uncomfortable with it. He said once that she id his best friend and would never forgive him, but he used all the ways to sort things out between them and it didn't help. I saw her pictures, she is a beautiful woman, definitely much more attractive than me, but does look quite cold.

Obviously that doesn't change or justify anything, I understand that if he can lie to her, he can easily do it to me, but his 'story' does makes sense to me.
We had moments when he stopped contact, he said he needs to try again to reconnect with the wife... but came back 3 months later. We both agreed that in our real life no one would ever suspect any of us to be capable of cheating.

I know it is all wrong. I would never want my daughter to get tangled in something like that. Or any woman, really.

However, life had taught me that sometimes things really aren't black and white and I just have the suspicion this is the case... that we are 2 people, both unhappy in different ways, who wouldn't maybe even pay attention to one another in real life. But we started what we started and I am just trying to get my head round it al...

However hypocritical it may sound, I believe in real things... I know that for many people physical cheating is not acceptable but sometimes it stems from something. I think I'd forget my ex just sex, but he developed feeling for his mistress, she put him on a pedestal and they stay strong now and probably will till the big crash happens... and that was a deal breaker. For 'my' MM - I do think he loves his wife and I think he will not leave her, and will just carry on the way he is, with another and another woman... till wife finds out and it will break them both. Or aybe she will never find out, who knows...
And for myself I struggle to imagine there is anyone who can love me... with so many flaws, and even after I did so many bad things, like sleeping around or sex with a married man. If I ever decided to be with anyone, I'd want to be 100% hinest abut my past, otherwise it doesn't make sense. So in other words, all that just makes me really sad, both me and him the things are just not the way they should be.

OP posts:
spitefulme · 20/05/2015 22:44

Sorry for the typos and missing words, I am very emotional tonight, English is my 2nd language, hence the mess in my writing.

OP posts:
fattymcfatfat · 20/05/2015 22:48

your story is exactly the same as a woman I know. apart from, he also didn't want to leave because his wife had MH issues Hmm no fucking wonder when the father of her two small children is shagging around behind her back.
the woman I know still has her head in the sand. I've warned her but that's all I can do. it will end in heartbreak, for the woman I know, the MM and his wife and kids, and fir you, the MM you're with and his wife and kids.

DottyStripes · 20/05/2015 22:48

Sorry OP it isn't justified - life isn't always black and white but in this situation it is.

She's cold - from a photo? No, your massively projecting what you want there to be, something wrong with her that will justify you sleeping with her husband.

There are plenty of single users out there if you really want one (I suspect you don't in truth) leave the married users alone. He is using her to raise his family, your not good enough for that in his eyes, and you for sex - she's not good enough for that. He's using both of you, the difference is she may be oblivious for now whereas your saying in effect "please use me, I want to be used" - but you don't want that at all?

Lipgloss74 · 20/05/2015 22:49

Oh my god- you can't believe how anyone could love you with so many flaws? You need to love you before anyone else can.
I am physically flawed after 3 big babies, kidney transplant And cancer plus a very ugly fistula scar but I'm a beautiful person.
You deserve so much more than sex with a married man. Don't dress it up or try and justify it, it's wrong you know it is and it will just cause your negative feelings towards yourself to intensify.
Break it off, accept that you are single and a work in process x

Noneedtoworryatall · 20/05/2015 22:50

Your shagging a married man, how fuckin low is that.

You meet for sex once a month sneaking around behind his wife's back, the pair of you are sick.

DottyStripes · 20/05/2015 22:52

I think the trouble is that hurt people, HURT people

You need to heal OP x

Spl0ink · 20/05/2015 22:57

I'm really surprised by all the people citing the married man script and how it's obviously lies.

I know many women of varying ages who have either told their husbands point blank that they aren't going to be having any sex at all anymore, or made it clear that they're so reluctant that I'm amazed the men stay. I can only personally conclude that they stay because they love their wives - and then find someone to have sex with on the side.

spitefulme · 20/05/2015 23:00

And just to add some detail to my own story... I actually had been on my own for more than 2 years. Focused on work and my girl, we did really well! I have great friends, but no family where I live, which sometimes makes it difficult to go out and do stuff, as my daughter is still to young to leave her on her own. Having said that, I do try to be active, and about 2 years into separation I reached the state when I was really happy on my own. And then ex came back and tried to reconcile, and then did what he did. In the meantime another relationship that ended before it started for good. So many hopes shattered. And all happened within a year and a bit.
All I wanted was normal family, really normal things, I am not the person who wants 'fun and excitement' in life... yet all the men I met were either just into sex with me or attached. None of them wanted the full package. And I miss closeness so much, I think it is normal for me to miss it after 3 years of loneliness and even more years of struggling in bad marriage...it took me another 3 years earlier to decide to end things with ex).
I don't want to justify myself. I am just very, very tired. I have moments of deep depression when I just want to die. I have changed so much within past 10 years, from great and beautiful young girl, happily looking into the future, I turned into sour woman who is fat, sarcastic and see herself as utterly repulsive at times. On other days I say, hey, it's not that bad, you still have this pretty eyes or smile, just need to melt that lard...I guess I might be on the verge of diagnosing myself with some sort of borderline problem. I always was highly achieving person, school, work etc., everybody thinks I am strong and will always sort everything out. The truth is that I had enough of being strong on my own. Yes, I am probably desperate to be with someone and yet I know perfectly well it is not to happen until I cure myself from low self esteem and so many other issues.

OP posts:
GinSoakedBitchyPony · 20/05/2015 23:04

I know many women of varying ages who have either told their husbands point blank that they aren't going to be having any sex at all anymore, or made it clear that they're so reluctant that I'm amazed the men stay.

Oh really? Were you present when these discussions took place? Are
you a relationship counsellor?

CactusAnnie · 20/05/2015 23:05

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wickedwaterwitch · 20/05/2015 23:06

Hi op. I'm sorry, it sounds a bit shit tbh. You're sungle, he's married, yet you're getting the opprobrium, twas ever thus. He's not a good idea, you know that really! Ditch him and meet someone else, you're still young. Good luck!

wickedwaterwitch · 20/05/2015 23:08

And i do feel sorry for anyone whose partner says "no more sex" ever, doesn't seem reasonable to me. But so many married men say it and I'm sure they're not all being entirely honest.

DottyStripes · 20/05/2015 23:11

It really gets my goat when it's the woman's fault a man cheats because she's not providing enough sex. If people took their marriage vows seriously they would weather the storm together, however long it took. An illness and birth trauma definitely ruined my libido and caused severe anxiety about sex for a while. I don't think my DH should get a medal for a few sex deprived years - it's called being married and staying committed

"Surprised the men stay?"Hmm

Because you know, no man is capable of actually loving their wife and supporting her through whatever issues have arisen relating to sex (sarcasm)

basgetti · 20/05/2015 23:14

How old are his children? Just wondering how realistic his expectations of sex are at this stage, given that is his entire justification for the affair. Although even knowing about and judging the sex life of a stranger who believes she is in a monogamous marriage is beyond grim.

AnyFucker · 20/05/2015 23:17

If you are having sex 3-4 times a year you are not in a "see less relationship"

it may not be as much as you would like but it is not sexless

AnyFucker · 20/05/2015 23:18

sexless *

Spl0ink · 20/05/2015 23:22

GinSoaked and Dotty I wasn't purposefully trying to be inflammatory with that, but I am thinking specifically of three women who have told me that they do not have sex with their husbands anymore and that they have no intention of doing so and that's that.

One couple are in their 50s, two in their 30s, one of which has a young child and one of which is childless by choice.

I know three is hardly a representative poll, but this challenges the ascertion that all men saying their marriages are sexless are lying, adhering to the script etc., no?

iwashappy · 20/05/2015 23:23

Basgeti totally agree with your last sentence.

handfulofcottonbuds · 20/05/2015 23:24

You can tell how cold his DW is just by a photo?

You sound like you need a man for your own affirmation.

He tells you that his DW only wants sex 3 or 4 times a year (oh please)!

You don't want to feel like a piece of meat, don't offer your body to anyone who shows a tiny bit of interest in you then.

Leave married men alone, regardless of how you've been treated in the past it doesn't give you the right to do that to another woman, there are children involved for God's sake - get a grip. Take time out and stop feeling sorry for yourself!

Well done on your 'poor me' thread!

DottyStripes · 20/05/2015 23:29

It doesn't particularly matter whether all men are lying or not though does it?

Marriage is a commitment to the person your married to.

A sexless marriage does not justify an affair. If they can't live without sex in a marriage - divorce and marry someone else. Imagine the outrage if a woman or man lost their ability to have sex due to a physical accident and the other one left them because they couldn't function sexually anymore? Marriage is about far more than sex!

wickedwaterwitch · 20/05/2015 23:29

I wouldn't think sex three times a year was remotely reasonable unless both partners are happy with it

Who are these women or men who think their partners arent going to think about shagging someone else? They might not do it but if they want sex more than 3 times a year (which is v low) then...

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