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I am the OW...

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spitefulme · 20/05/2015 20:50

Long story short...
I am a 38 year old woman, 1 child, separated, I have a fuck buddies relation with a married man.

3 years ago I separated from my husband of 11 years because of his drinking. We had a phase of getting back together, he wanted to start treatment but didn't. Instead, he found himself a mistress and a marriage didn't survive. I used to see my husband as a soulmate and had a number of happy years together, but now I doubt how much real it all was, as he is a person with obvious NPD traits, and even the past with him seems like one big lie now. Sometimes I think that the only good think I got out of this marriage is my beautiful daughter.
Ex is still 'happy' with the OW, 15 years younger than me.

In the meantime I had one serious relationship which died as well, as my partner didn't want to commit because of distance between us and disability of one of his young children.

Despite receiving counselling and taking antidepressants for years now, it seems like I cannot sort out my own head and understand that I need to see my own value first, before I get into any relationship, otherwise it will never be healthy.

I was in very bad place for the last couple of months, I desperately needed someone who would 'confirm' my value, made me feel wanted again. Pathetic, I know.

I threw myself in a string of casual sex relations, I guess I met 4-5 men and I had sex with all of them. Most of them were met online.
One of the men I met is married. The nicest one, the only one who actually doesn't treat me as meat, as fuck, he is genuinely interested in me as a human being. I think this is what attracts me most to him.
He claims that he lives in a sexless marriage.
He loves his wife and his 2 little children, but his wife has very low sex drive and pushes him away whenever he wants to be intimate. He says that she always had very little needs but since children arrived, they have sex 3-4 times a year. He tried to talk to her about it but she finds excuses of being busy with children and says she doesn't really need it. He suggested therapy, going away, babysitter so they could have time together - all she says is no, because she is happy the way it is. He says she trusts him 100% and they always been good friends, so she would never ever think he can cheat. So he decided he just needs to find someone for sex to fill this gap...
I developed friendship with that guy, we met a couple fo times and finally we had sex. It was great, we are very compatible and I could easily say that he is deprived of it. He is a very passionate man and I struggle to imagine that any healthy woman wouldn't be happy to make love to him, which leads me to conclusion that his wife does have issues with her sex drive.

He claims he doesn't want to split with his wife, that he cannot imagine living without his children, but on the other hand he cannot carry on without sex.

I know I should end this and what we do is just disgusting.
The facts are that he cheats on his wife and I am the OW.
On the other hand I kind of 'justify' it by thinking that for both of us it is just sex and a bit of intimacy. I have no intentions of splitting his family, he would never do it anyway, and I would never want it as I know best how it hurts, how much children suffer etc.
The risk of his wife finding out are minimal - we never speak on the phone, just text via kik or email. We don't exchange any dirty pictures, meet once a month maximum. He is normally very devoted to his family and children, it's not like he deprives them of his time, attention, money. We don't exchange any gifts or pay for hotels or trips - it is all very casual and we both lead our independent lives, apart from this short hours of intimacy.
I know it will have to end at some point, and every time I see him, I feel guilty... but then I think that if it wasn't me, it would be someone else... and at least I have no intentions of messing his life up.
Now, why am I writing all this... I guess it is because of guilt. I was always quite strict about being faithful and honest in relationship and in general, never cheated myself, but after that last year, when I was lied to and cheated on by my own husband, and then disappointed in another relationship, it is as if something broke inside me. I just don't feel like it's worth being honest, being the good one anymore. All the genuine and honest people around me end up lonely or used, and the ones who think of themselves are just better off... like my ex and his mistress, like so many other people I know.
I am aware of the fact that my self esteem is crushed now, that probably the only reason I am sleeping with a married man is the fact that I like the attention he gives me. I like him a lot as a person and obviously worry that I can develop feeling at some point, which will leave me in even deeper hole than now.
I would like to have a normal loving relationship but I kind of lost faith in it. It's like I have already had my bit of love with ex husband and there is nothing left for me in this life, apart from being a shag for a man, who still loves someone else.
Why am I writing all this... I think I just need someone to talk some sense into me. That arrangement leads nowewhere, I do not want to harm anybody but I am, in a way, doing this... I know affairs are wrong, that nobody deserves to be cheated on... but still I am in it. My counselor said that I do not harm anyone because I am single and I do not cheat, it's him... but still I do feel guilty.
How to change it? How to come back to the values I used to believe in, after having them rubbed in my face by ex and after doing what I did?

OP posts:
spitefulme · 20/05/2015 23:33

His has two boys, 5 and 3. Both him and wife are working full time and have extended family living close, who help with kids.They are in good financial situation and could easily afford a babysitter, his wife doesn't approve it. They do loads as a family, I can tell it not only because of what he says or writes, but even their fb pictures and posts are good evidence of it (yes, I've stalking them, burn me!)
What I am trying to say is that they would definitely be able to find time for sex if they both wanted. I have one child, always both me and ex worked lots, had no family support but still had time for sex. Even if it was one hour less sleep, once every couple of days. It was one of very few god things in our marriage.
The MM says that once a week would satisfy him totally, but wife likes early nights and usually just pushes him away if he starts anything. Even if they have sex on, as he said, 'special occassions', he feels like she is forcing herself, only because he wants... If it's true, it is just totally sad and NOT normal I guess...

OP posts:
iwashappy · 20/05/2015 23:33

When I found out my husband was cheating on me we had been having sex 3-4 times a year for a while so I think it's possible that this MM isn't lying about that to the OP. But as he can lie to his wife he can certainly lie to the OP.

Does it matter though? He's married and unless he and his wife have agreed an open marriage which they clearly haven't he should be keeping it in his trousers regardless of whether he has sex with his wife every day or never. A perceived lack of sex is not an excuse to cheat. If he's not happy about it he should talk to his wife. I mean properly talk to her and listen to her and see if they can work it out between them.

DubbyDubby · 20/05/2015 23:36

God the poor wife. Trusting him 100%. His "best friend"...just awful. Makes my stomach churn just thinking about the level of betrayal. It doesn't matter if she never finds out in one way - he's still doing it.

OP, you will never recover any trust in men again if you carry on seeing someone who can justify his need for sex as more important than trust and his relationship with his wife and family. It will destroy any belief that men can be be honest. I understand you are vulnerable and its filling not a void, I really do, but this isn't the way to heal. It will only harm you more in the long run.

FlabulousChix · 20/05/2015 23:37

You are worth more than this. You don't need a man and you don't need see it's just a want and there is a difference. Love yourself first

handfulofcottonbuds · 20/05/2015 23:37

Are you listening OP??

Regardless of what he says about his sex life with his DW - he's a liar and a cheat and if he wants his sordid shag with you then he will tell you what he wants.

Carry on - you will anyway.

I'm fed up of OW coming on here pretending they want advice but really it's just to get the opportunity to talk about their affairs and how different they are. Attention seeking.

DottyStripes · 20/05/2015 23:42

How has your daughter been affected by her fathers infidelity? And her mothers reaction to it?

How has you losing self esteem, being depressed etc affected her?

And why is it ok for his sons to be affected by this? They will be, at some point.

iwashappy · 20/05/2015 23:48

It is perfectly normal when you've got young children and work full time to be tired and have your head full of many things so you don't feel like sex very often even if you do get a free hour or so here and there.

Please don't try and justify what you are doing by saying his wife is not normal because she doesn't want to shag him every week.

CactusAnnie · 20/05/2015 23:59

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basgetti · 21/05/2015 00:03

Just yuk to you judging the sex drive and behaviour of a woman whose husband you are shagging.

spitefulme · 21/05/2015 00:04

Cool off... I mention it to add to discussion. Imagine or not but there are people who, I am sure, actually face such problems.

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Glastokitty · 21/05/2015 00:08

God, his poor bloody wife having her sex life picked over by you, and the cheek of you condemning her for what is probably a whole load of bollocks cooked up by her lying cheating husband. As for her 'looking cold', seriously? This man's marriage should be none of your business, yet there you are, writing his wife off for not shagging him enough to justify your shoddy behaviour in doing it for her! You really need to cop on and stay away from this man, you are meddling with peoples lives here, including two tiny children. But hey, if you get your jollies that's all right is it?

CactusAnnie · 21/05/2015 00:08

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sleeponeday · 21/05/2015 00:18

Irrespective of what has or has not gone on with his wife... he is NOT a nice man, in fact he is a complete bastard, because you are very, very obviously a vulnerable and hurt woman and he is using and exploiting you for sex. He is a complete bastard for that alone - leave the rest, what you do or don't believe, aside. In ruthlessly using someone as hurt and confused and lonely as you are, in my view he's no better than a teacher screwing a teenage pupil. And believe me, I was delighted when that was criminalised. This couldn't be because it would be impossible to judge, calculate and police what someone knew or understood, but in my view, based on your words, he is harming you terribly to meet his most basic sexual needs. And giving absolutely nothing back to you. That is as well as the hideous betrayal of his wife.

And you would not be facebook stalking if you had no emotional investment yourself.

He is vile.

spitefulme · 21/05/2015 00:19

Oh my... I just adore selective reading.
Some of people responding here just see and read what they want. Not what I wrote.

I'll repeat once again. I know it is wrong. I am not trying to justify myself.
Everything I write, every detail, I mention because it helps to analyse the situation. Which CAN be both as the guy says, or totally different, or somewhere in the middle.

I seriously feel jealous for people who still wear pink tinted glasses and believe that world, people emotions&lives are as easy to sum up, as they want it to be. I honestly wish I could still see it that way.

Now, carry on barking, I know I deserve it. At the end of the day I am just putting up a self pitying show, right?

OP posts:
GinSoakedBitchyPony · 21/05/2015 00:22

When I found out my husband was cheating on me we had been having sex 3-4 times a year for a while.

Certainly, there are plenty of marriages that are low- or no-sex marriages.
It isn't always the woman who doesn't want sex. There are men who don't either.

The point here though, is that cheating men nearly always tell OW they don't get enough sex at home.
How many OW would sleep with a man if he said he was having fabulous sex with his wife 7 nights a week? I don't think as many would.

I used to moderate on an infidelity forum.
We would get whiny posts from OW saying that their affair partner's wife was pregnant, even though they never had sex.
We would get posts from wives who were having regular sex with their husbands, but who found out he'd told OW they never had sex.

You CANNOT trust a cheater, whether you're the affair partner, or the betrayed spouse.

SoozeyHoozey · 21/05/2015 00:23

Oh oP you sound so low and so down on yourself. Please go no contact with this man immediately, for your own self worth. Please work on building up your own self esteem, you are worth more. Get counselling. Seek comfort from friends. be kind yourself. Take time to heal then date single men who can properly love you. You worth so much more than being an empty vessel for some using cunt to stick his knob into.

DubbyDubby · 21/05/2015 00:32

why are you getting angry OP? you must have known you'd get some responses like this?

NanaNina · 21/05/2015 00:50

Oh my OP - you are taking a real bashing here - you sound a very intelligent, sensitive woman to me, though maybe a little "lost" emotionally, especially given your past experiences with men. I can't believe how judgemental all these posters are - if they are women whose husbands/partners have had affairs I suppose I can see why they would judge someone like you, but it doesn't seem that way to me.

I can't see anything wrong with what you're doing (a very high % of married people have affairs FGS) and what does it matter how many times he has sex with his wife or the reasons behind it. Frankly if she works full time and has 2 kids, she's probably too knackered! BUT I am always amazed at how people can make such definitive assertions about people based on a few lines of text on a screen! I see someone above calls your lover a "complete bastard" and someone else says he's a "lying cheating bastard." I notice your username but tbh I think so many of these posts are spiteful and the way some women are expressing their views I find distasteful.

I'm not sure what you wanted OP with your post - it's no good trying to justify yourself to the majority of the posters on here because they won't have it, and in fact your attempts just give them more ammunition to fire at you. Some posts talk of self-respect and how you are worth more than a fuck once a month, and that's a valid point but it's for you to decide if and when to end it. I'm still wondering why you posted tbh - and I'm sorry you've had such a bashing.

You sound like you maybe a little depressed - you mention being very very tired. I think it's best that you sign off, because all you will get is more of the same..........but I'm sending you good wishes and hope that sooner rather than later you will find someone who is free to build a r/ship with you and help you heal from the bad experiences you've had with men.

handfulofcottonbuds · 21/05/2015 00:59

'Spiteful' is judging a married couple's sex life on a public forum! It is also FB stalking both of them! It is also coming on here for pity because she is shagging another man's wife!! There are little children involved and I know the pity party here say it's nothing to do with the children but it has a lasting effect on them - I know from experience!

OP is getting angry because MNers are telling it how it is and she is refusing to respond to those posts - just carry on with her 'poor me' attitude because she's a little depressed.

He's an a.hole but OP says she is fed up of doing the right thing.....so why should she?!

Carry on shagging a MM, go right ahead, you will anyway. Maybe crumbs is all you can get?

His poor wife!

Vivacia · 21/05/2015 06:16

Why did you start this thread?

Lurgano · 21/05/2015 07:02

Bu the numbers dont stack up - he has told you that he would be happy with sex once a week - but he only meets up with you once a month - does he have another 3 OW on the go?

SoManyQuestions219 · 21/05/2015 07:22

OP
I have a sporadic sex life with my husband (for various reasons). We also have lots of issues and "problems".

Finding out he was cheating would be still be beyond devastating.

Lies destroy relationships - whether they are found out or not.

What is wrong with being on your own and making your happiness that way - friends / your dad / work / plans for the future?

Even if the mm never slept with his wife it would be wrong. As it stands he is sleeping with 2 people - completely betraying his wife who should know what he is really like rather than having to live with a false image. SHE deserves to be with an honest person and you are part of this lying/cheating dynamic.

SoManyQuestions219 · 21/05/2015 07:22

Your dd not your dad!

SoupDragon · 21/05/2015 07:29

I know it is wrong.

So stop it.

What I am trying to say is that they would definitely be able to find time for sex if they both wanted

They are having sex.

MmeMorrible · 21/05/2015 07:36

OP what makes you think that you are his only shag on the side? I bet you aren't the first and won't be the last. He's in it for the thrill of the elicit encounters. How did you meet - did your eyes meet across a crowded room or did he place a sordid advert on a dating site?

As others have said he is not in a sexless marriage. That is part of his well worn script to tell you what you want to hear. And if his wife hates sex that much why is he forcing her into it every few weeks?

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