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Affair Part 5 - fab phee kicks arse wearing her skinny jeans

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OpheliaRose · 19/05/2015 21:02

Many you will have read my threads 1 2 3 4

A month ago I discovered my Husband had been having an affair with a girl from his work. I thought it was one of the most painful moments of my life but the subsequent day where far more painful when the full extent of his betrayal was exposed to me and he has shown no remorse or sorrow over the loss of our marriage in fact he has left me for the OW

I have started divorce procedures on the grounds of adultery each day is proving a struggle but I am getting through it with the help of all of you.

All I want when this is over is for me and my Twins to be happy. We all deserve so much better than him

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HoggleHoggle · 29/05/2015 12:46

I really hope phee that the mediator is sensible and is therefore horrified by the idea of 50/50 for the foreseeable future. I just can't see how that would be in the best interests of such young children.

In terms of preparing for the meeting, how about you make a list of salient points so you can easily raise them if you feel you need to - so how many times has H asked about the DTs since he left, how it's only a short amount of time it's been since he has forced this on all of you, his behaviour in general - affair, lying, doing it on work time etc - and also your wishes with regards to introducing wf to your DTs.

I think you need this 'arsenal' of details because your H is a piece of work and just in case he tries to direct this meeting to his advantage you need to be prepared to fight your corner. Do not let him charm his way with anyone! I'm sure he will be pretending to be utterly reasonable.

In terms of work, I would raise the issue of childcare as a generality and perhaps also raise your return to work hypothetically if it's relevant to the conversation. I don't think personally you should show him your intentions - not only because it's none of his business but also because he can't be trusted.

Sorry if this sounds doom-mongering but I personally just don't think you can underestimate how much of a shit he might be.

Sending many good thoughts to you Flowers

MerryMarigold · 29/05/2015 13:04

Get well soon. That sounds like a horrid bug. Make sure you're taking vits and drinking lots of soups. Xxx

tryingtokeepintune · 29/05/2015 13:09

Yes yes to FriendofBill post at 10:29 regarding house and maintenance.

If he was missing DT that much and wants them 50:50, why haven't they seen more of him? Hope you are keeping record of contact times, his request and your utter reasonableness on this issue.

Glad you are feeling better.

bjrce · 29/05/2015 13:10

Hi Phee,

Don't worry about meeting up for mediation next week. You should look on this as a opportunity to start making plans for what you want / need.
The thing is you need to get very prepared for this meeting, in doing this you need to be very clear about what you want and will tolerate.
Be very clear on one thing. He knows exactly what he wants and is going to go in there with a very clear focus. If you are not ready, you are going to have a very tough time.
He has his plans very clear.
He wants 50/50, this indicates he doesn't want to pay you any maintenance going forward. He will indicate he has been more than accommodating for the last few weeks in allowing you to get used to the new living arrangements! FFS!
He wants your DTs to go to the same creche as OW child, you mentioned this before. He will see this as a need ( he will want to get the children bonding),for his work, he will require this as part of his 50/50 maintenance plan.
He knows you are going to have to go back to work, he won't have to look after you once the divorce is final, your problem is even when you go back to work, you will never have his earning potential.
He really wants to push you right aside and get on with his life.

You.
RE custody: Going forward, to say you will be working ie 3 days a week, Mon, Tues, Thurs. Would it be acceptable for him to take the DTs Tues and Thurs evenings. (then drop them home to you in the evening). Then 2 days every second weekend. ( Fri, Sat. night).

I would not mention your job plans right now, he does not need to know about this right now. He will only use this to his advantage. Please don't mention it.
Also he will bring up the subject of child care ( as mentioned above).

Don't talk to him about childcare until you have your DTs set up in the child care of your choice, reason for this being he will try and push for his chosen child care near his work.
If he mentions OW in the meeting, tell him very directly/assertively:" Do not mention OW to me again or in any manner in relation to our DC."

You need to make it very clear to him.

You are the one who walked out on our family for OW.
You are going to have to face the consequence for your actions, it is a well known fact when a family break up, the financial living standard of the family as a whole come down. Don't let it just be you. Do not let him get away without paying maintenance.
You need the house and will need to work out how you are going to pay the mortgage with your salary and whatever he needs to pay going forward.
He will get into finances very quickly, especially now as he is paying for an additional apartment. Be ready for that. Do not accept any statement from him that he is only going to pay for x amount of time.

One thing you need to do over the next few days, is actually practice your answers, for this meeting.Practice what you will need to say. This will really help to prepare you. One proven method is to actually stand straight in front of a mirror, feet apart, hands on your hips ( confidence stance) and say what you need to say. You may feel awkward doing this initially but honestly repeating this, actually builds your confidence.
You need to really look after yourself over the next few days. The last thing you want is to start breaking down in the meeting and getting emotional, please try to avoid this, there will be plenty of time for crying once you get home. He won't be too emotional, right now he has 2 women after him. If you can, have a member of your family with you ( outside) so they can take you home afterwards. Don't get into any conversations with him.
Be strong, assertive and clam and you'll get on fine.
Hope this helps!

FriendofBill · 29/05/2015 14:31

Plus, you had an agreement with him that you would be a sahp and he would work do that the DT would have a FT carer.
Just because he has shagged around and changed his mind it doesn't mean that the agreement is now void.
Who the fuck does he think he is calling the shots after he reneged on your agreement!!!
Angry

Vivacia · 29/05/2015 15:19

When you say, "The children and I have been aware of all of this for only six weeks. You've had X months to make plans. It's reasonable to give us more time to come to terms with the huge changes caused by your affair".

And I love this, "Do not mention OW to me again or in any manner in relation to our DC".

HootyMcTooty · 29/05/2015 15:29

I've been giving some thought to the whole 50/50 thing.

My parents split when I was 11. I had eow with DF and one night a week (until he moved overseas). It was important to me that I had a home, one home. It just happened that it was with DM. DFs was nice and sort of felt like home, but my real home was with DM. Children need security and do not need to feel nomadic. This is even more true of your DTs as they are so young and so used to you being their primary caregiver.

Yes it's important he sees them enough to maintain a real relationship and for him to do his bit, but don't feel pressured into agreeing to something that won't work in practice.

SignoraStronza · 29/05/2015 17:47

Dh (well, his dbro really) has a friend who has their two very young boys on a 50/50 basis. They are so dependent on each other and very insecure as a result, as their world is turned upside down every week. Long term I don't know how it will work, as they both live in different towns and neither of them will countenance moving. If your dts are nearly 3, am assuming they will be starting spill next Sept?

SignoraStronza · 29/05/2015 17:47

^school^

OpheliaRose · 29/05/2015 18:11

Thank you all for your advice. I'm still feeling pretty awful today so DB is having twins tonight for me because its taken me all day to be able to hold down liquid.

I've found all your posts really interesting and informative so thank you for that. Its given me lots of things to mull over and points to take to mediation.

H has messaged about the twins today to check their shoe size and clothes size (sounds silly i know but they've always been oddly sized! they're both tall for their age so often go one size up) so i assume he is getting stuff for them to have at his house.

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Vivacia · 29/05/2015 18:15

I hope this doesn't make you angry, but at least you know they are safe and well-cared for when with him.

laurierf · 29/05/2015 18:15

Phee - when you discussed and agreed together that you would be a SAHM, what did he say? What was his reasoning? Are these things that it would be beneficial for you to remind him of both in relation to 50/50 and the twins staying in the home with you that they've always known…. two new homes on top of everything else seems so much… and certainly not something to be rushed into even if he won't do the kind and sensible thing and do his best to support that continuity in their lives at the very least until they are much older.

Hope you're doing ok today - as you can tell we're all thinking about you. I'm sorry I can't offer expert advice but I hope you're getting something helpful, be it from some of the posters here, PMs, your solicitor of your RL friends. You can do this Flowers Star

laurierf · 29/05/2015 18:16

Ah X post - I'm glad you have found some of the posts helpful.

OpheliaRose · 29/05/2015 18:22

laurierf His job at the time was decently paid so he said I should take a years maternity and we could see how things went. We worked out we'd have enough money to love on for 3 years before i'd need to go back to work if we lived carefully. He was promoted after he moved job roles to sit near OW so that made it easier but we still agreed 3 was a good age for the twins to start a nursery and for me to go back to work. he said it was up to me if I only wanted to go back part time as we had money enough so then i would be around for school pick up / drop off (eventually)

Reasons behind being a SAHM was basically that as we could afford it we both felt that it was a perfect opportunity to have as much quality time with the twins as possible. He was never "mean about" it i might not explain myself here but he worked hard paid for everything and made sure me and twins had a nice time while being at home even if that meant he had to go without luxuries

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laurierf · 29/05/2015 18:36

So you agreed that if you went back to work, you could do part time so you could be around for pick up/drop off because that was good for the kids even when they had a stable home life - so it's more important than ever now… unfortunately as PP have said I do think you need to be prepared for the fact that his attitude will change with regard to him sacrificing stuff to make sure you and the twins are comfortable. Every lawyer warns women of this when the 'guilt-ridden' or 'reasonable' husband starts off being generous with the financial contributions. I've not been through it myself but I have had friends who have and it's been the case every time.

OpheliaRose · 29/05/2015 18:49

Thanks laurierf my friend has warned me that if he really is planning to love with OW then her child etc will be taken into account as he will have them in his house hold.

He's suggested previously that he will pay me more maintenance than CSA suggest and will let me have the house although I don't know how that will work. From what i've read and heard from others he may be expecting me to buy him out but I don;t think i can afford that but i also dont think i can afford to get a mortgage on my own! I could rent but rents are high here so not sure i can manage that either.

I feel so pathetic when i think about it all - I won't say i've always been the most independent person as i have either lived with Parents or DH but i've never felt like i'm in a situation where i cannot afford a place to live comfortably. I feel like such a fool for believing in the fairy tale that we could have a happy marriage kids and i could stay home. I've never ever considered that my life wouldn't stay that way so i have no "back up plan"

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laurierf · 29/05/2015 18:49

ps so glad you have your lovely brother, mum and dad to be there for you when you need it.

laurierf · 29/05/2015 18:51

Is there much equity in the house?

OpheliaRose · 29/05/2015 19:01

Yes H was very lucky when he brought his house it was fairly cheap (because it needed work) and he had money from his grandparents dying so had a reasonable deposit. we've done a lot of work over the years and had it valued when the twins were one because we were thinking we may need a bigger house especially if we had another baby so its definitely got equity but even if i was going to get some of that i'm not sure it would be enough for a deposit and for me to get a mortgage on with the Part time salary i will be on

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laurierf · 29/05/2015 19:13

So I guess you need to think of it in two ways - would his half share of the equity now or within the next year or so be worth the huge upheaval for the kids plus the idea that 50% of the time (I don't think it will necessarily come to 50/50 access but for argument's sake) he would be prepared for his kids to live in unstable (rented)/inadequate accommodation because that's all you could afford v continuing to pay half (or whatever you need) of the mortgage until the kids are 18 as an investment (for all 4 of you)… Again, I'm certainly no expert here and some other posters will give you better advice… just airing ideas. In reality you are an ace mum with a family and friend network and you are young and I know you could make any scenario work (scary as it may seem having not had to do it before) but that's not the point… you need to work out what's best for you and the children and to lay it on however thickly you need to in front of the mediator (because we've already seen how much he cares what other people think of him - he just doesn't get what other people think of him!)

HootyMcTooty · 29/05/2015 20:27

Please don't beat yourself up for believing in the future you planned together, that's marriage and he's the one who should be berating himself not you. I would imagine you would be able to get most, if not all of the equity in the house, you have 2 young children to raise to adulthood, as the primary caregiver it should be recognised that you need to provide a home for them.

What does your solicitor think you should do?

tryingtokeepintune · 29/05/2015 21:29

Glad you have your lovely family who are so helpful.

I notice you say it is H's house and even if you got some of the equity, you are not sure if you can put down a deposit. I think in a divorce, regardless of who owns the matrimonial home, the equity is usually split 50:50. The court will usually consider other factors before deciding whether to order a sale eg. What is in the children's interest.

Although OW's child will be taken into account if H lives with them, the court can also take into account the fact that he has a roof over his head when considering what order to make eg. whether to postpone the sale etc.

What does your SHL say?

Hope you have a good rest.

tryingtokeepintune · 29/05/2015 21:36

Meant to say at the very least you should get 50 percent of the equity.

OpheliaRose · 30/05/2015 07:58

Sorry all I'm still feeling very poorly so went to be early.

Feeling a bit better this morning at least. Going to take some time to read all the posts properly again(in a slightly less delirious state!)

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Mama1980 · 30/05/2015 08:01

Morning phee, just checking in. I hope you're feeling better today? And got some rest.
About the house what does your shl say?
I agree with previous posts saying you need to go to the meeting with as much Info and as much of a plan as possible. Cause your h will I'm afraid.
Thinking of you.

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