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Affair Part 5 - fab phee kicks arse wearing her skinny jeans

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OpheliaRose · 19/05/2015 21:02

Many you will have read my threads 1 2 3 4

A month ago I discovered my Husband had been having an affair with a girl from his work. I thought it was one of the most painful moments of my life but the subsequent day where far more painful when the full extent of his betrayal was exposed to me and he has shown no remorse or sorrow over the loss of our marriage in fact he has left me for the OW

I have started divorce procedures on the grounds of adultery each day is proving a struggle but I am getting through it with the help of all of you.

All I want when this is over is for me and my Twins to be happy. We all deserve so much better than him

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Lilacflower · 23/05/2015 18:01

What an arsehole he is (her too) The pair of them are disgusting. The thing that strikes me about them is the total lack of empathy, especially from him.

You did well but I agree with the previous posters to tell him you're not interested in what she thinks and to keep her opinions to himself.

OpheliaRose · 23/05/2015 18:25

Hi all

Sorry I was in town for most of the day and then met my brother and a friend of his for an afternoon drink.

I brought myself some new work clothes; some pencil skirts, a few floaty shirt tops that looked good tucked in but also loose, some cropped trouser (looks better than it sounds!) some other nice tops and a pencil dress.

Also got myself another pair of jeans and a couple of plain tops which all look casual but pretty.

feeling a bit better after having a chat with my brother and his friend (who i don't normally get on with but he was very sweet to me today). They said H is just an twat basically and thinks OW is the bees knees so seems to be determined to make everyone else think that.

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alwaysstaytoolong · 23/05/2015 18:37

I think your brother is right. I think your DH really believes his new GF is so bloody lovely and thoughtful and oh so reasonable that he just can't stop telling you that.

It's incredibly hurtful for you but it also suggests that somewhere in his head in the midst of this infatuation, he knows she has behaved badly so he needs to try and prove that he's made the right decision and 'picked a good 'un'.

It's part of the infatuation - those early days before you really know each other and the object of your affection is so, so wonderful you can't stop talking about them and just how great they are.

It fades. Quickly.

Vivacia · 23/05/2015 18:37

Good to hear that you had a successful shopping trip Phee.

AndyWarholsOrange · 23/05/2015 18:40

Hi Phee Glad you had a nice day. Your new clothes sound fab. Sounds like your DB and his friend have a good handle on what's going on. I've forgotten - are DTs back tonight or are they staying over? If he's bringing them back tonight, please please try to shut any conversation with him down. He's bound to be in full Disney dad mode and you really don't want to hear that. You are so amazing, please don't let him drag you down again.

OpheliaRose · 23/05/2015 18:49

Twins are with him over night andy

My brothers friend mentioned he's seen H and OW a few days ago while he'd been out with other friends. They joined them in the pub but DB friend got up and left. I was quite touched i've known him for years and we've never really got on that well but he said he was pissed off at H for treating me this way and he'd of felt disloyal to DB staying and playing nice with OW. Plus the drunker he got the harder it would have been to not say something he'd regret.

I think H is slightly crazy and assuming that the more he keeps making her sound nice re seasonable caring and kind i'll be inclined to just go oh is she lovely lets all be friends or something.

My dad is coming over tomorrow to help me do some DIY and move the house round a bit so he will be here for hand over

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Vivacia · 23/05/2015 19:16

That all sounds good Phee, people aren't being taken in.

BettyCatKitten · 23/05/2015 19:17

See, lots if people are on team Phee! Enjoy a peaceful evening Wine. I have twins, so can empathise with how knackered you are. Mine are 8, it does get easier, I promise Smile

derxa · 23/05/2015 19:18

Your brother's friend sounds great

Phoenix0x0 · 23/05/2015 19:23

The clothes sound fab! And no, those cropped trousers don't sound odd they are actually tres chic...very now.

That was nice of DB friend....in times like this you really find out who your true friends are.

In regard to Wank Fodder Wink......I agree H or dim wit is trying to convince everyone at how wonderful that she is....

I think you need to get your dad/DB to help with the handovers, until such a time where his little one liners won't faze you. Because, realistically he won't stop....

when you say you thought about X In regards to the DT, he will ALWAYS come back with that WF thought of that already....in effect chipping away even more to your self esteem.

In regards to the DT, they may have been 'daddy this and daddy that', but I bet that when with him they were 'mummy this and mummy that'.

Might I suggest that if you are returning to work in a month, look into childcare and start gradually sending them for an afternoon/day here and there....it will definately help them get used to it.

Also, there are pluses and minuses for a CM/nursery. I send my DD to a nursery, that is both an actual preschool/nursery school but also has a daycare facility. My DD loves it and loves being around lots of other children. They have lots of outdoor space, themed activities and are very nurturing.

Hope that helps.

Ps. Glad you had a nice day and that you are changing up the house to be more kick arse!

ELIANASGRANNY · 23/05/2015 20:06

I hate the thought of you being left feeling devastated by the comments about WF every time you see the love sick idiot. The ideal situation, as others have said, is to have someone else do the handovers, although I suppose that isn't always feasible. He manages to blindside you every time though, leaving you too shocked to reply. I think you really have to firmly state that you would appreciate it if he refrained from mentioning her and her unwanted advice. I would also add that he is totally deluded to believe that anyone with morals would think that what he has done to you and the twins is acceptable. That in fact, he is a laughing stock to a lot of people. It's about time he was dragged out of that bubble he's in.

Your new clothes sound absolutely perfect. You are gonna knock em dead!!

LondonRocks · 23/05/2015 20:50

Oh, next time he says something along those lines, I'd be so tempted to say, "maybe WF and I could be friends... When hell freezes over. Oh, and do bear in mind, she's got a penchant for sucking off other women's men, so do watch her carefully... Bye."

OP, honestly, he sounds like he's trying to convince himself of how great she supposedly is. Scales. Falling.

HootyMcTooty · 23/05/2015 21:05

Your clothes sound great, I'd love a new wardrobe!

If I were inclined to feel charitable, it might be that your ex is trying to reassure you that WF can be trusted with your DTs in the long term, and he's clumsily trying to show you that she's not all bad. However, if I were you I'd be telling him that she could be Mother fucking Theresa for all you care. She's still the shithead who he let give him a fucking blow job in a cupboard and nobody gets to wipe that from their fucking love story of the century bullshit.

Ledkr · 23/05/2015 21:08

Phee. Be in the bath or hiding wgen he brings them back and get your dad to say you had a night away!!
Purrerleeeese do that phee Grin

Vivacia · 23/05/2015 21:23

I think that'd I resort to ultra sarcasm, "Wow, that's fascinating. Everything I hear about her makes her sound such a wonderful person".

winkywinkola · 23/05/2015 21:42

Yes. I would make sure that you are 'out' every time he comes round.

Look, their bubble will burst. Their relationship may survive. It may not.

The most important thing is that you know you can survive and thrive without him. So far you're doing so well. Totally surviving.

The thriving will come. Your life will be built on honesty and integrity. His is built on deceit, distress and teenage lust.

Apathyisthenewblah · 23/05/2015 23:04

I'm sorry this happened to you. I honestly wish you and your twins well but it may be that he has a long and thriving relationship with this woman. In the long term I think dignified distance will work for you far more than game playing. Disengage as much as you can.
Be wary though, if you didn't get on with DBs friend the fact that he is nice to you now you are single would throw up warning signals to me.

laurierf · 24/05/2015 08:00

I'm sure Phee's DB will look after her if there were anything to worry about (I doubt it). In the hardest of times, you are often surprised by those who step up (and sadly those who fall short).

Hope you got some sleep last night Phee. Your new clothes sound fab. I work in a very casual dress environment (jeans mainly)… I'd love to put on a pencil skirt with a lovely tucked in top might need a new waistline too for that

Isthereeverarightime1 · 24/05/2015 08:27

The only response needed to his wanky comments is "your deluded" end of conversation!

Think your right about him wanting you to like her which is why he is forcing her amazing self in your face! Although perhaps he is also trying to justify his actions to himself!

Your doing amazing Phee, even if you don't feel it!

Do you have plans with your DT's today, looks sunny out Smile

Orrla · 24/05/2015 11:54

You don't have to lose your dignity-you've done so well so far, but an icy retort the shite he spouts with your chilliest glare might be what he needs now.

vertigo · 24/05/2015 13:14

Dear OP,

Was up til 3am reading your awful surreal time. It brought back some memories.
It will be five years in January that my Dcs D left (although the affair had been since I was pregnant with DD - I discovered it - he still denies it to this day - other than once during family mediation - and his PR amongst family and friends is that they met the day after he left and boom!). I wanted to see what I can say that might help now or as things move on.

It is still very very early days for you. Many posters have wisely said don't feel pushed into anything being set in stone until you are ready to have absorbed and digested it. I second that hugely!

My biggest tip, now, is to search for comments by a very astute Mumsnetter known as WWIFN. She has some very pertinent tips about how to make a sense of life post an affair. There is also a very good book I have read and has been often recommended called Not Just Friends by Dr Shirley Glass. Your H has given you some explanations re why he did what he did but there is some very helpful information about how people give themselves "permission" to have affairs and how most affairs are not due to a bad marriage or lack within it. (as that too hurts like bry that some assume no smoke without fire) It doesn't set out from all-people-who-have-affairs-are b*ds either (but in your case....)

Anyway - I'll try to be helpfully focussed (brevity isn't on my CV) as I think I can.

  1. PRACTICAL.I'll start with what you have mentioned re DIY and your D coming round to do it.

You've mentioned you don't recognise the person doing this (your H and his personality since affair was discovered) and you are right to bear that in mind with all financial stuff going forward.
My solicitor of 20 years practicing family law says the feelings always harden VERY quickly regarding money even with small dcs in the mix. So... Whilst I don't want you to cut your nose off to spite your face (ie have taps dripping or stuff not working) don't do any MAJOR work until the house financial position is sorted that might increase its value. (or keep a record of all expenditure so it is separated out in any valuation to come).

If he is nice/remains so about ££ - a pleasant bonus. Expect/assume less behaviour wise though, and smile and keep your cool through any self-serving bluster when you don't let him get his way (not out of spite though, obviously).

If you haven't already - ask for his keys/change the locks (you accidently lost your keys so had to...) so YOU are in charge of access to your house. (Mine came round after 2 years!! and took down the Tom Dixon lamp shades whilst I was on holiday with Dcs, as well as riffled through all the drawers boxes in the house. His stuff had been boxed some time back)

  1. EMOTIONAL. Most people are considered "serially monogamous" so if they wish to change partner they have to find fault with the current one to create distance. PLEASE keep this in mind always when/if you get any verbal that does you down.

Also - the most amazing woman who has walked the planet (OW!) for whom you should be grateful your Dts get to breathe air with! AGAIN - he needs to pedestal her to justify what he has done. Only this super human makes it ok to have been such a Weapons Grade w**er. IT ISN'T TRUE and most likely he knows it too.

Also - to me, the whole being-such-good-friends-with-Ex-and-his-gf was green lighting/goading his leaving you by her (you may well end up being perfectly civil for your Dts as I am with mine and his) but it reads like a huge nudge to encourage him to do it and showing no bad repercussions so OK. Was her separation along similar lines? He can earn that if his behaviour is reasonable and as time allows! Don't feel railroaded or bad because it's so blinkin raw ffs still!

  1. FRIENDS
I found mumsnet invaluable. It sounds like you have a good friend and a Db too. Sometimes in RL I found people v judgemental and made me feel worse re decisions/missing him and can be v sanctimonious. Unless they have experience then take what they say with a pinch of salt. I think there is better advice here, sometimes.

I, too, found it hard that I seemed swapped out of mutual friend gatherings etc. quite quickly. And there didn't seem to be anyone who called either of them on up their behaviour (esp as he is life and soul!) I am glad some work people have shown you what they actually think even if they don't say anything to him. A hard one that but assume there's more that think it.

  1. DCS
I did find it useful to talk tomany of my peers had divorced/separated parents (and was saddened tbh how many had been). Listening to what worked/didn't work from their perspective helped. Unanimously was don't bad mouth the missing parent. All children who heard it only felt the parent saying it was mean. Most - all - worked out who had them at the heart of their decisions. (A bit of a wait but...) And none fell for bells-and-whistles presents in lieu of the calpol giving parent at 4am!
  1. MEDIATION
Again, invaluable. Family mediation rather than marriage/counselling. It makes sure he can't keep thinking with his c*ck and the children are the forefront of all decisions. You can thrash out some issues re when is OK to meet OW (given he felt no need to tell them, or you, of his wonderful new gf whilst the affair was under wraps then a few more months more is fine ... until you are satisfied that her BJ technique doesn't lose its novelty and they are actually a couple with some staying power - there is no need AT ALL for her to meet your children.) I think it is very important for you if you can, and a lot of the puff and bluster holds no sway when faced with a professional third person!! I think courts hold a dim view going forward if you divorce - if it hasnt been done. You can satisfy yourself that he has thought where booze/sharp knives etc etc are via this too etc etc. Also a shared parenting between you two (not OW version of parenting - which may be fine but isn't her beeswax - eg re bedtimes, discipline etc)

Sorry OP - turned into a stream of conciousness after all. Can't edit as need to take DD to build-a-bear shop!! I hope it helps. Heartfelt love girl! You sound a very sound woman!

BalloonSlayer · 24/05/2015 13:40

That's a wonderful post, vertigo. Flowers

BettyCatKitten · 24/05/2015 14:05

vertigo very eloquentSmile

OpheliaRose · 24/05/2015 14:24

wow thank you vertigo i've been having a very down few days with everything getting on top of me and just feeling rather hopeless and like i can't cope but reading your post has made me feel a bit better and has given me hope.

I've taken a big step today and removed my engagement and wedding rings. I've pretty much done nothing since I got back from shopping yesterday. I ended up just watching tv and lying on the sofa in the dark. Today i've done a few chores but again just found myself lying on the sofa watching a film not really paying attention but feeling completely and utterly unmotivated to do anything.

My parents want to take DTs out for the day tomorrow as its a bank holiday. They've asked if I want to come too but the idea of being surrounded by loads of people just strikes fear into me at the moment

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BettyCatKitten · 24/05/2015 14:33

The break will do you good Grin

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