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Please - I desperately need help. A truly horrible situation

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ChopinLiszt · 17/05/2015 21:55

I've nc for this. I've posted one or two threads recently and I'm worried about being outed.

I've been plucking up the courage to post this for such a long time but it feels like when I start to talk about it, the floodgates might open and I'm only coping at the moment by blocking most of it out.

Basically, ex-DH and I separated two and half years ago. I left him and we both went into other relationships. About six months into mine DH decided to be nasty and threatened constantly to spread lies and rumours about me. He specifically said he was going to contact my then partner and tell him all manner of horrible, personal things about me; some true and some not. DH also rang round my family and told them I was working as an escort (I was not, nor have I ever, I think it was the most damaging thing he could come up with). The absolute embarrassment and shame of having to discuss this with my family was awful. And DH was doing it to be nasty. He thrived on threatening me and making me sick with worry. He was hurt and he wanted to hurt me. It showed me another side of him that I hadn't seen before.

He would also go through my phone any opportunity he got (we have 3 DC so he's been in the house for pick up and drop off).

At that point I began suffering badly with MH issues. The stress and strain of the marriage breakdown and being bullied by my ex plus a relationship that was abusive eventually led me to have a nervous breakdown. At that point I was suffering with undiagnosed bipolar disorder. I became very, very ill for a period of weeks. I functioned enough to look after the DC but one day I came home to find social services on my doorstep. They'd had an anonymous tip-off they told me, so they'd come round to assess the situation. I was flabbergasted as there was no way I needed SS involvement. It was crazy! They went away and nothing more was said.

Whilst this was going on, DH refused to give back his doorkey which left me feeling very vulnerable and he generally bullied and threatened me. And it continues to this day. He has no respect, he will go over my head about things with the DC, he still goes through my phone. He says he doesn't believe a word I say, he is very controlling and he leaves every situation with a threat. Or just storms off. He NEEDS to be in control of everything.

SS became involved again because 'someone' had reported me and it turns out that they thought I was working as an escort!!!! There's been some sort of investigation going on but because the allegation is nonsense and my DC are very much loved and well cared for I've tried not to let it get to me. Until ex-DH said nastily that it was him who had told them that. I honestly could have cried. Due to BP I have anxiety issues and stress makes me ill. I can't be ill though or the children will suffer and it would give SS another reason to be involved.

On Thursday night last week my DC were away so I arranged to meet a friend in the pub. Unbeknown to me my ex-DH was also there with a friend (he lives hours away so it was really unexpected). We said hello pleasantly enough and then we left. Separately. I got back home, my friend and I went into the house, put some music on and sat down and chatted. At one point one of the dogs went into the porch and because they will chew up any shoe they find I followed them in - and got the shock of my life. Ex-DH was standing in the porch, black raincoat on with the hood up, just glaring at me. I asked him wtf he was doing and he said "It's your fault, you left the door open." Friend hadn't pushed it shut properly. He then started ranting and raving about what he'd heard, saying that he knew the truth now, etc., etc. All absolute rubbish and it came across as a bit of an act. He left in the end after arguing with my friend who was defending me against him. I honestly cannot describe the utter contempt ex-DH seems to have for me.

And this weekend things have come to a head. I asked him to wait to pick DC1 up because I had family down and they wanted to see her, he ignored me and went to the school, picked her up and took her. Didn't even text me, ignored my calls and then when I was frantic with worry he texted and said "What? DC1 didn't want to stay." She's young and should not have been put in the position of having to choose. It's making life for her stressful and she gets tearful because she feels the pressure. Ex-DH is oblivious to this and so utterly self-centered that he seems to believe that he can do no wrong.

I've ended up tonight just feeling anxious and tearful. I have no idea where his next 'attack' will come from and I can't trust him with my DC. I can't trust that he will behave in their best interests. I can't relax, I can't concentrate and I have no idea where to go from here. He has this horrible, threatening look in his eyes when he talks to me and I don't know how to cope with him. I don't know where to go from here. I feel cowed in fear and I have no idea how to deal with SS, what he might say in the future, what he might do with the DC. I don't trust him with my DC and that's awful.

Can anyone advise? Am I being stupid about the whole thing? I'm just desperate for advice and guidance. I was so pathetically grateful when my friend defended me against exDH - it showed me that I wasn't over-reacting. I have no one to talk to in RL and no partner so shouldering the strain is hard. I want to keep things amicable, I want to be friendly - if not friends - I want to hand the DC over with confidence but honestly this weekend I have caught myself wondering whether he's planning to commit suicide and take them with him. It's the sort of thing he would do and all the stories in the press recently have scared me. It's got the point where I'm scared if I don't hear from him and yet my adrenaline shoots through the roof when his name flashes up on my phone. He seems hellbent on hurting me and I don't know how to stop him. What can I do????

Sorry this is so long.

OP posts:
mulberrybag · 20/05/2015 09:10

You are doing so well op. Keep on, you can do this Flowers

pocketsaviour · 20/05/2015 09:15

Well done OP! Glad you got such a supportive response from police. Flowers

ChopinLiszt · 20/05/2015 09:41

Thank you all. I don't feel brave or amazing, I just feel like I'm the one lying. Like I'm making a fuss about something that doesn't exist. I think that's because HE refuses to see his behaviour and it rubs off on me.

He tried to call twice last night and again this morning (unusual). I actually didn't see the call and only noticed when it was a missed call. But interestingly, he's not texting/emailing/leaving voicemails. And I think that's because he doesn't want any record of what he says to me. He wants it all verbal so there's no 'proof' of anything. I can guarantee you that if I answered he'd be cross. And gloating about whatever little power play he's glorying in this time.

SO relieved to have the locks changed. I had a long chat with my sister and although she lives abroad she was so supportive and matter of fact. Miss her :(

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fuzzywuzzy · 20/05/2015 09:41

OP if you're in East London I can recommend a solicitors firm who can get you an non-molestation order ASAP.

If he comes around and gets aggressive, call the police. You don't have to live in fear.

thewomaninwhitefluffybunnyears · 20/05/2015 10:21

Really glad that the police were so fab and changed your locks. A huge step in the right direction. You can do this.

ChopinLiszt · 20/05/2015 10:25

Fuzzy- I'm not but PM me details? They might have recommendations....

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duderanch · 20/05/2015 10:28

There are Apps which you can download for your phone which will record conversations on your phone. Just google "how to record mobile conversations" and they'll come up. I would also see if your GP can sign you yup for Mindfulness classes, a friend of mine with a horrible ex has found them great for helping her deal with the stress caused by the ex. Just make sure they are properly run and accredited courses (prob best via GP or Relate etc) rather than signing up for a random one. Good luck and well done for taking such big steps!

IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 20/05/2015 10:37

If you contact the Womens' Aid general enquiry number (0117 9444 411) they will be able to recommend solicitors in your area.

Leo35 · 20/05/2015 10:43

Another MNetter checking in that you are OK after such a big step last night. So sorry that you are going through this and wishing you all the best for happier times ahead.

(Inconsequential matters alert! Also v.v. impressed with your fab user name.)

Hugs and definitely flowers Flowers. Take good care of yourself.

Branleuse · 20/05/2015 10:48

jesus OP. He is unhinged. Scary! :(

DragonWithAGirlTattoo · 20/05/2015 11:01

well done Chopin - stay strong

(its a amazing that the police changed your locks for you - how wonderful!!)

fusspot66 · 20/05/2015 11:34

Dear Chopin
Well done. Do you think it would be possible to block him from picking up the children from school? He is going to be angry and vengeful. You police team orWA might advise.

tipsytrifle · 20/05/2015 11:59

The fact that the POLICE changed your locks in the spot should tell you something loud and clear about the risk level we all see that you've normalised, thanks to XH. Whenever you start thinking, "oh this is nothing, really" please re-visualise that scene where your home is made secure against his threat and danger.

fearandloathinginambridge · 20/05/2015 12:10

But interestingly, he's not texting/emailing/leaving voicemails. And I think that's because he doesn't want any record of what he says to me. He wants it all verbal so there's no 'proof' of anything.

Absolutely 100% right! Crafty bastard. If he does slip up and leave a dubious message or sends an email log it. Log everything

I am so glad the Police were helpful. Well done for making the step to call them, I know how nervous that made you.

Twinklestein · 20/05/2015 13:33

Some suggestions Chopn:

First of all given the SS shenanigans and your past mental health issues, it may be useful to have an advocate either from MIND or your local disability advice service (the latter has different names for different areas), your local one should come up on google.

Secondly it's really important that you go to your GP and report the abuse and harassment and its impact on your health if you haven't already. This will potentially help you qualify for legal aid because your GP can write a supporting letter. But most importantly, if you are afraid he might kill himself and the children, there's a CP issue. Clearly SS are already involved, but if it's due to his malicious reporting then they will not necessarily be aware of the whole issue.

Thirdly, I would call WA and ask them to recommend a lawyer who specialises in abuse. You may be able to get an occupation order as well as a non-molestation order.

You may qualify for free emergency injunctions through the www.ncdv.co.uk. You need an act of violence or threat of violence within the past 10 days to qualify (off the top of my head). I would call them today and get their feedback on your current situation and the police involvement. It's possible that may be 'enough', if not, report everything he does to the police from now on and be ready to contact the ncdv if does anything that will make you qualify for an immediate injunction.

ChopinLiszt · 20/05/2015 13:41

Thank you Twinkle. I'm going to look into those things now.

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HexBramble · 20/05/2015 21:52

Chopin, be strong now. You are doing so well.
Crafty bastard is a good description. He doesn't want to leave an evidence trail. He bloody knows exactly what he is doing. He knows he is in the wrong. I'd seriously be thinking of leaving recording devices in safe places so that you can record potential threatening behaviour. Can you get a small dictaphone that you can record him on should you have contact with him?
Just in case? Call it an unofficial insurance policy?

Tiptops · 20/05/2015 23:37

Well done Chopin you are doing brilliantly and making all the right steps. From what you've posted, I think he sounds a very dangerous man and my worry is that he is really too vindictive and unstable to have access to your DC. I don't want to worry you, but he may be even angrier when he finds out you are making steps to tackle his abhorrent behaviour. I would refuse all contact from now on and seek advice from the police/ women's aid regarding setting this in stone.

hobNong · 21/05/2015 00:40

Well done for going to the police and I'm so pleased your locks have been changed. I hope that now you've seen the police are taking this seriously and we are all taking it seriously, you can start to believe you are NOT making a fuss about nothing.

ChopinLiszt · 21/05/2015 07:33

I cannot believe that I am about to type this.

I hadn't mentioned the situation to my mother because there's a history there of no support. It's just not worth bothering. Anyway, I had cause to speak to her about something else last night and she asked how I was and so I told her.

Her response?

"Oh Chopin, that's AWFUL." I was surprised - thought oh, she's finally saying the right things. But oh no, the next bit of the sentence was:

"That's awful - you can't do that to him - he wants to be a judge!"

Seriously. WTF? I'm just so devastated I can't describe it. He strikes straight at the heart of my insecurity about speaking up and just.........devastates me :(

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Phoenix0x0 · 21/05/2015 07:38

I'm sorry to hear that this was her response, must have been hard to hear.

Please, please remember that the police would not have changed your locks and seen you straight away if they were taking THIS very seriously....

Now you know her stand. Do not speak to her about it ever....change the subject or suddenly have to go as someone/your DC need you.

You are doing well, stay strong and keep logging everything.

Phoenix0x0 · 21/05/2015 07:39

I meant 'were not taking this seriously'

BeyondDoesBootcamp · 21/05/2015 07:45

:( sadly you wont be on your own here, a lot of people end up in abusive relationships as it is what they've seen normalised growing up. How is your mums relationship? Do you think she might see parallels that she is minimising and it makes her minimise your distress too?

ChopinLiszt · 21/05/2015 08:04

No absolutely not. My mother leads a cossetted life with every fault excused.

They are enabling him to do what he does because he finds support within MY family.

It makes me sick. I feel like saying - him or me. Seriously. I know it's unreasonable but he's got worse since he's realised that MY family will fawn over him.

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hobNong · 21/05/2015 09:12

I'm really sorry to hear that your mum reacted like that. But it helps explain why you didn't take the abuse seriously if that's the kind of attitude you've had to put up with growing up.

I personally wouldn't say 'him or me" to your mum because (I'm really sorry) but she sounds like she might pick him. Instead I'd mentally distance myself from her and not expect any help or support.

Is there any other family member you can turn to? Flowers

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