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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
lavenderhoney · 13/05/2015 13:44

He doesn't see you as part of his family. So atm he is being very careful with you to ensure you aren't a good digger. And if he's thinking of having his own DC, will he still be giving out thousands to his nephews?

Fussing over loo roll, every penny accounted for -just say - " if we get married and I have DC, how will money work? Childcare? Joint accounts and spending?" Because if he's stressed about loo roll he's going to have a shock when the nappies start:)

If he wants to get married, has he asked you? You need to live together really, on a trial basis of 6 months with him doing equal share of everything. If he wants a traditional sah wife and set up, that comes with a price.

has your ex found someone or back on the scene?

Skiptonlass · 13/05/2015 13:44

Gliding pig...love the mouses chuff comment :)

oP, if you leave him, do it wearing a dress made entirely of loo roll. Luxury stuff mind, several plies....

TranmereRover · 13/05/2015 13:48

Out of interest, what happens when it's your birthday or christmas? does he take you for dinner then?

scallopsrgreat · 13/05/2015 13:48

"As stated on other page, yes his ex was a bit of a gold digger.." Hmm. I'd take that one with a pinch of salt. It seems a convenient excuse for his behaviour.

Do you really think you can cope with this for the rest of your life or even the next few years? Constantly justifying, no give and take, no flexibility, no generosity or even sharing?

As others have said. Add children to the mix and you may find you end up either paying for them entirely or constantly battling to get him to recognise their needs and requirements as being his responsibility too.

beigesheepclothes · 13/05/2015 13:50

"I think your relationship radar is on the blink and has made you therefore easy prey for opportunists like this man to use you. You are being used."

I agree: it seems like you feel you have to justify the way you're feeling? You should work on having the confidence to think behaviour like the cinema one is just lunatic, it really is. if someone did that on a first date, would you not just think WEIRDO and stop answering their texts?

How did you guys meet? Was he like this from the start?

expatinscotland · 13/05/2015 13:52

Should have stayed with the ex. Compatibility is so under-rated.

Purpleboa · 13/05/2015 14:08

Hmm, it's a tricky one. Some people are very like that and it sounds like he is a classic saver. Interesting about the ex partner. But he needs to realise how ridiculous he is being - the loo roll/popcorn thing is just daft!

My DH is a saver and that has caused us to clash over the years. He's very strict about splitting stuff down the middle, whereas I am more of the 'oh, does it really matter?' approach! However, he comes from a background of not much money which has made him very cautious, whereas I've been very fortunate in never having to struggle. I love going out for meals and splashing the cash, whereas DH thinks a meal out is a waste of money. But he will compromise because he knows how much I enjoy it.

And since being with him, I have actually improved my habits, cleared my overdraftwhich I thought I'd have for lifeand even started saving which I never managed before, even when I was on a higher salary. But I do wish he would spontaneously treat me more - that said, he has got better at it. My last boyfriend was a nightmare - he'd only ever buy gifts that would benefit him too, so yes, he'd buy us a trip away for my birthday but it would be because it was somewhere he wanted to go! ('But you always said you wanted to try sailing' er, no, I'm pretty sure those words NEVER left my mouth and now I'm having to spend my 32nd birthday drenched in a cold lake, thanks, instead of the spa break i had dropped hints about).

I agree that money is a contentious issue, especially now that a lot of women earn more than their partners. I think it sounds like your DP is just not getting it - it doesn't make him a bad man and I wouldn't say leave him, but I would say make your feelings very clear on this. The issue seems to be you feel second best when it come to his friends and family - am I right? His actions with money confirm that for you. I would play pretty hardball and tell him exactly how hurt you feel, and how you need to feel valued by him.

And yeah, make it clear that his actions ARE petty, liking BitOutofPractice's suggestion!

iwantgin · 13/05/2015 14:09

Dump.

I couldn't be bothered with all the penny pinching and keeping such precise tabs on who spent what when.

In a relationship surety both parties contribute as and when?

Money is probably the thing that will come between yOu at some point so if I were you I'd move on now before dc and joint mortgages are in the mix.

CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 14:09

Okay, I will try and answer as many Q’s as possible.

He does come over to my house too, I go to his more as it is nearer my work and to be fair, in doing so, I save a bit in petrol. It is also bigger and he has his dogs to consider, my cottage isn’t really big enough for my dog and his two and it can become a bit chaotic when they are all around, so it’s easier if I go to his more than he comes to me, but he does come to me 1, sometimes 2 nights a week.

When he comes to me, the majority of the time he will bring dinner, just like the majority of the time I will when I go to his.

To an outsider, the relationship would appear fair and equal, to him I am sure it probably seems mostly fair and equal, but, for some reason, I am just not sure it is.

Re the cleaning, I clean because I am a bit OCD and like a nice, clean and tidy house, I know I don’t have to but I don’t want to be sat amongst mess, it winds me up.

The toilet roll thing….whilst I was a bit appalled and did spit my tea out, it was a long running joke in my family household growing up that I use a lot of loo roll. I guess I must do if he’s commented too. I wouldn’t know because I don’t know what other people use, however if I am genuinely using too much and he is out of pocket because of it then buying a multi pack of loo roll now and again for him is no biggie, I would rather do that and not feel like I owe him loo roll, PMSL.

You see, I AM in debt, not loads, but a few thousand pound, I am clearing it but it is going slowly. I am envious of his savvy ways with money tbh, envious of his financial security and position. We are both fairly young and he has achieved a lot for the age he is and I know that will have been because he is financially savvy. I am just an idiot with a few thousand pound worth of debt Sad

I think the trouble is, is that I have a slightly skewed view of how a relationship should be money wise. From having a very generous first, serious partner, a father who is very generous to my mother (she has always been a housewife and lady that lunches if you like!) and also, because my 4 best friends are now married/engaged to men who are also generous.

I look at them when we go nights out etc and in all honesty, they are quite happy putting their hand in their pocket to pay for drinks, they don’t say to my friends ‘I’ll get this, you get the next ones.’ Or ‘I owe you £3, or you owe me £3.’ Perhaps they have those discussions when they get home, but I really don’t think they do. We went on holiday with my friend and her husband last year and in Duty Free he came up to her and I who were studying the makeup and presented her with a bottle of her favourite perfume that he’d just bought her. Again, I know it’s mercenary but I thought, how sweet is that! So did she!!

My best friend texted me last night really excited saying how her DP had booked them a romantic weekend away in July. It’s not her bday, or their anniversary or anything, he just did it. I am really happy for her, it must be a lovely surprise to receive but also going through my mind was ‘I know there is probably more chance of pigs flying than DP ever doing anything like that for me.’ And yes I KNOW that is mercenary, I KNOW it is. But just once, I would like to be wined and dined and spoiled without their being a bloody condition attached to it.

I don’t think I’m a gold digger, deep down. I really don’t mind splitting things, I guess I just feel like he thinks I’m a gold digger or he’s wary of me because I have debt, which I CAN understand, but then I think to myself, if he REALLY loved and adored me, surely he’d trust me, surely he’d know I wouldn’t rinse him dry and take the P? Especially after 2 years.

OP posts:
NameChange30 · 13/05/2015 14:17

OP have you heard of the "love languages"? If not Google it as you might find it interesting. Basically it's an explanation of the different ways people like to express love - some people like to show their love by giving presents, and feel love if they receive presents, but others don't. For example they might prefer physical touch, kind words or practical help. Would it help for you and your DP to look at this together and discuss it?
FWIW I love giving and receiving gifts, but it's not about the money, it's about the thought and love that goes into it. So I think the "gold digger" thing is a red herring. If he can afford a £30k boat (!!) he can easily afford to buy you a bunch of flowers from time to time.
I would just not feel loved by someone this stingy. Especially when he is so generous with family and friends.

Lweji · 13/05/2015 14:17

If he doesn't trust you, then he shouldn't be in a relationship with you. Trust is earned, but if there is actually mistrust then why be with you, unless he just wants company and sex.

You could offer to pay a whole meal next time and see if he offered to pay the next time, rather than go halves.

Would you want the relationship to progress? How do you see finances working out?

It sounds like there are key differences in your approaches to money and it could result in big problems if you don't find a compromise that suits you both. And his stinginess could lead to financial abuse if you ever needed to depend on him financially.

justonemoretime2p · 13/05/2015 14:20

If it's a deal breaker you can't really do anything about it so just end it.
I don't think he's using you I think he's weird about money and him using a notepad is him trying to be fair.
It sounds like you are happy with the rest of your relationship and this is the only issue, is it a big enough issue to break up over?

confusedoflondon · 13/05/2015 14:21

Well as I said my exh - extremely wealthy, my partner after him - tight. My partner now - just right. Careful , but can be frivolous In a good spontaneous way ,treats me sometimes. Pays his way. Thats what you want. Money can make issues in the best relationship whether you have none or loads.

GoatsDoRoam · 13/05/2015 14:22

You keep calling yourself "mercenary". You really are not.

ThereisnoFinWay · 13/05/2015 14:22

TBH I am just as worried by the fact that you clean his house and bring dinner over when you go than by the money situation. You need to change things now or move on, before you find yourself coming back in 5 years posting that your partner does nothing around the house, expects you to work ft, do all the housework, all the childcare and contribute 50% of all costs when you earn a tiny fraction of what he does.

Momagain1 · 13/05/2015 14:29

Don't you dare move in without really in depth discussions about how two people earning entirely different wages will manage to create a joint household. You will be the loser. Whether or not his reasoning is a former girlfriend's behaviour, if he is thinking there is a long term relationship, the moving in sort, he needs to deal with the person in front of him, mot the one that is gone.

Does moving in make you the sort of friend and family he becomes generous with. Or do you become a live in cook/housecleaner/woman to fuck?

Jan45 · 13/05/2015 14:38

You are not a gold digger, far from it, he's just tight, esp with you, heed the warning.

WipsGlitter · 13/05/2015 14:43

You're not mercenary but you are conditioned to associate gifts and treats and being 'spoilt' with love.

drumKitten · 13/05/2015 14:46

He does sound tight but you also sound a little bit princessy Confused

The being fussy about a pound or so here and there is a odd but I don't know if he sounds that bad. The nice things he does sound kind and thoughtful. It's easier to splash cash around than to spend time fixing cars etc. The OP sounds like she wants to clean his house not that he asks her too. Confused

I think the idea of a fund together sounds good.

Imperialleather2 · 13/05/2015 14:49

Op he's not right for you. I don't get the whole taking dinner with you - you take it to his then he brings it to yours it sounds like a,load of hassle and I wonder if it started off by you suggesting it because you knew he'd baulk at the idea of having to feed you and it's now become a thing.

Quibbling over 1.78 is not normal behaviour. It isnt normal to you and it never will be. Equally for him being relaxed over 1.78 would not make him happy.

I had an ex once who I lived with who said that I should pay more towards the shopping bill because I bought Tampax!!!!
He earnt double what I did and paid my way in terms of mortgage and bills but I got into loads of debt trying to keep up with Him. For example if I couldn't afford to.go out he would get really moody so.I ended up putting it on my credit card.God I regret it now. He never changed and we split up.

He may have changed with his wife now but the point is he didn't change with me
Op I don't think your boyfriend will treat you.How you want to be treated. He may generous with his nephews but he moans at you about loo roll. It sounds poisonous to me and by your posts he already has you doubting yourself
Get out now.

Redlocks28 · 13/05/2015 14:49

I can't believe he bought one cinema ticket!

I'd find that deeply unattractive. Time for a sit down chat and then I'm afraid I'd be out of there if he couldn't get over whatever his problem is.

Unless you have a horrendous history of debt and bankruptcy that he's worried about?!

avantbard · 13/05/2015 14:50

As a bloke, splitting things that evenly seems very odd. Perhaps he's been used in the past for money by an ex, and has gone too far the other way in avoiding it this time? Or he could just be acting unreasonably and I think you'd be within your rights to call him out on it.

However, there are a few alarm bells ringing when I read your posts:

"You see, I AM in debt, not loads, but a few thousand pound, I am clearing it but it is going slowly. I am envious of his savvy ways with money tbh, envious of his financial security and position. We are both fairly young and he has achieved a lot for the age he is and I know that will have been because he is financially savvy. I am just an idiot with a few thousand pound worth of debt sad

"I think the trouble is, is that I have a slightly skewed view of how a relationship should be money wise. From having a very generous first, serious partner, a father who is very generous to my mother (she has always been a housewife and lady that lunches if you like!) and also, because my 4 best friends are now married/engaged to men who are also generous."

Despite generous ex free spending on you you're still in debt to the tune of several thousand pounds, and you've grown up around a woman used to being spoiled. Perhaps he's well aware of this and drawing a very deep line in the sand about what he's prepared to tolerate.

avantbard · 13/05/2015 14:50

As a bloke, splitting things that evenly seems very odd. Perhaps he's been used in the past for money by an ex, and has gone too far the other way in avoiding it this time? Or he could just be acting unreasonably and I think you'd be within your rights to call him out on it.

However, there are a few alarm bells ringing when I read your posts:

"You see, I AM in debt, not loads, but a few thousand pound, I am clearing it but it is going slowly. I am envious of his savvy ways with money tbh, envious of his financial security and position. We are both fairly young and he has achieved a lot for the age he is and I know that will have been because he is financially savvy. I am just an idiot with a few thousand pound worth of debt sad

"I think the trouble is, is that I have a slightly skewed view of how a relationship should be money wise. From having a very generous first, serious partner, a father who is very generous to my mother (she has always been a housewife and lady that lunches if you like!) and also, because my 4 best friends are now married/engaged to men who are also generous."

Despite generous ex free spending on you you're still in debt to the tune of several thousand pounds, and you've grown up around a woman used to being spoiled. Perhaps he's well aware of this and drawing a very deep line in the sand about what he's prepared to tolerate.

ShaynePunim · 13/05/2015 15:01

Massive turn off! I don't think he would change when/if you ever live together.

My best friend is like that too, I feel so sorry for her husband. I could never put up with it.

Jenda · 13/05/2015 15:01

I don't think this is anything to do with gender, its just about being in a relationship. This would really bother me. I have no problem paying my way but would probably work on the "you get this, i'll get that" method which seems more natural to me.

DP and I have lived together for 3 years. He earns double what I earn (still not talking mega bucks here) but we have a joint account and at his insistence it is "our money". If he ever buys himself anything he asks me if there is something I would like, even if it is something he needed! I often say he earns more and works hard and I have no problem with him buying himself things but he feels strongly that it should be "fair" (he doesnt offer me £60 when he goes out the piss with his mates though!)

Our joint account is used to each pay in bills (split 50 50), then from what is left between us we allocate equal spending money and the rest goes to saving for a mortgage. So when we buy he will have contributed double what I have.

I'd be concerned about having children with a man like your DP. What would happen if you stayed at home, would you have to keep a diary too, would he give you an allowance?! I agree it sounds like he has been burned in the past but I would have thought you have proved yourself by now!