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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
CotswoldQueen · 19/05/2015 11:11

Obviously you are all entitled to your opinions.

He did seem genuine re the loo roll comment, the cinema thing….well I don’t know. I’m racking my brains trying to think whether or not we’d had an argument beforehand or had been sniping at one another…I really can’t remember, but it’s a possibility. Not that that makes it any better.

Obviously I did speak to him about the situation when we got back from the cinema that night, albeit I did just gloss over a lot of stuff and didn’t actually mention the ticket (which I should’ve done) but as a result of that he said ‘yes, I don’t want to be quibbling over pennies etc either, I just want things to be fair so let’s just take it in turns to pay when we go out and do stuff.’ Which, we have been doing and don’t get me wrong, it’s fair and is working, but sometimes it would be nice if he did what he did on Sunday and said ‘We’re going out for dinner, my treat.’

I love him, but I will NOT be treated like crap or made to feel a lesser being simply because I don’t earn as much as him and have a bit of debt.

The next time a stingy moment appears (if it does, though I suspect it probably will) we are having it out once and for all, if we are out then I’ll say we need to talk when we get home.

Re money situation in the future, we need to sit down and discuss it all properly, but both he and I have a very busy couple of weeks ahead of us so it’s going to have to wait for a couple of weeks, unless something happens to spark the conversation off.

OP posts:
Jan45 · 19/05/2015 11:43

I'm afraid this is his personality not a moment of lapse in a man who is usually kind and generous, he isn't that man, you know it deep down and are hoping he can change, as anyone would hope.

Good luck, and update us, it will be interesting to see what he pulls next, at least you are now ready for it.

Again, this man has not got a romantic bone in his body, he's inherently selfish, there's just too many incidents OP that scream tight, mean, selfish.

butterfly133 · 19/05/2015 12:50

CotswoldQueen, unlike some other posters, I do actually still think he might be a decent bloke with some less-than-mainstream ideas about money, so I'm glad you're still updating us.

I'm interested in what you've said here though "Obviously I did speak to him about the situation when we got back from the cinema that night, albeit I did just gloss over a lot of stuff and didn’t actually mention the ticket (which I should’ve done) but as a result of that he said ‘yes, I don’t want to be quibbling over pennies etc either, I just want things to be fair so let’s just take it in turns to pay when we go out and do stuff.’ Which, we have been doing and don’t get me wrong, it’s fair and is working, but sometimes it would be nice if he did what he did on Sunday and said ‘We’re going out for dinner, my treat.’

If I hadn't read the whole thread, then this would seem like you were saying "I have a fair arrangement with my BF on paying for stuff and it is working - but I would like him to treat me more".

If that was all there was to it, I would say you were being unfair and why shouldn't you treat him more? I don't feel as if you are being punished for having debt. I think - other than loo roll & cinema - he is trying to stick to spending limits and habits that he sets for himself.

The loo roll & cinema I still think - as probably you do? - is more likely to be a lack of social grace than a serious "manipulating/hoovering" matter. Upthread, I mentioned a friend who paid his mortgage early by major scrimping and saving. He might well say "well, if we're each paying for our own cinema ticket it's just easier to do it separately".

But yes, that comment jumped out at me. If partners just keep treating each other, sometimes that doesn't work either. I had to tell my DP that as some of the things he bought me when we were just dating were a total waste, and I felt it was unfair that he wasted his money, but yeah...he didn't take it well initially.

if you feel he "should" treat you because he earns more, that's complicated too. I know women who would hate that idea (myself included). He has no way of knowing which category you fall into unless you tell him.

CotswoldQueen · 19/05/2015 13:18

Butterfly- I do know what you mean and I don’t want excessive, generous gestures/ treats all the time, but the occasional situation like Sunday is nice. I don’t think he should pay for everything because he earns more but at the end of the day he does earn 3 x my salary and certainly isn’t short of a few bob so saying OCCASIONALLY ‘I’ll get this’ isn’t asking a great amount?! I have said on quite a few occasions over the course of our relationship ‘I’ll get this’ to him, he’s always protested but most of the time I have gone ahead anyway as it’s nice to treat your loved ones occasionally and so long as I’m not plunging myself into more debt by doing it then I don’t really see the issue.

Anyway, we’ll see how things pan out. At the end of the day, despite how it may come across on here or what people may think of him for the cinema episode etc, these are like 1 or 2 isolated incidents over the past 2 years and don’t necessarily equate to him being an abusive monster! Our relationship on a day to day basis is great, we get on well, have fun, support each other so for now I will give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until we have ‘the talk’ in a couple of weeks time.

OP posts:
Roussette · 19/05/2015 15:10

CotswoldQ I do agree with what you are saying - in that, if someone earns 3x as much, they should contribute more. I just wouldn't like it if I couldn't do things with a DP at this stage of a r/ship, because he insisted on halves and even stevens because he can afford more and it means if you can't afford it (because you earn less) you just don't do things as a couple (because of the silly and unrealistic halves thing).

I like treating people and like being treated back. It's not a case of me only doing it to get it back but it's just an easygoing way moneywise of conducting a relationship.

Many moons ago, before I was married, I had a long-ish relationship with someone seriously loaded and I was just starting out on my career and not earning much. I used to treat him in the best way I could, for example a home cooked meal, something funny (and cheap!) I bought for him that I'd know he would like, I did what I could on my income. However, we went out lots, meals, bars, clubs, and he always paid because the disparity between our incomes was huge but I know he knew I wasn't taking him for a ride (and I didn't expect) because I bought and did thoughtful things for him.

I just think sometimes you can't go halves because it isn't realistic and Cotswold I think that applies to you. Good luck with it.

FyreFly · 19/05/2015 15:16

I don't think the OP is being overly grabby here. I've always thought that as a rule you take it in turns to pay for things - i.e. one night you pay for dinner, the next time HE pays for dinner. Or someone orders the takeaway whilst the other one brings wine.

Or at the cinema - one person gets the tickets, the other gets the drinks / popcorn (which are often MORE than the bloody tickets, can't believe the cost of cinemas now Hmm). The cost gets shared out and small differences don't matter.

The obsessive splitting of such small amounts would have me running for the hills, sorry. Regardless of whether it's intentionally malicious or a lack of social grace. I mean can you imagine if you got married and got a joint account?? He'd probably go into meltdown.

As long as people take turns paying and no-one takes the piss then I don't really see the need to quibble about £1.78. That sort of tight-fisted behaviour would get under my skin really quickly, and would make me nervous about going anywhere with them. Please don't suggest a holiday OP!

Handywoman · 19/05/2015 18:34

What strikes me most is that OP 'glossed over a lot of stuff' in her chat to Mr£30K/£1.78.

OP, why on earth didn't you have a full and open discussion on this, including about the cinema ticket??

findingmyfeet12 · 19/05/2015 18:45

I hope the situation resolved itself. I do tend to agree with handywoman though.

I can't understand how, after knowing him for 2 years, you could have misinterpreted the loo roll "joke". It just doesn't add up.

HelenaDove · 19/05/2015 19:02

This man is laying the foundations for
a financially abusive relationship.

Tightwaddery.......tick.
Saying his ex was a gold digger....tick.
Gaslighting when confronted about loo roll comment.....tick.
Deflection by suddenly changing his behaviour at the weekend to put you on the backfoot (a facade that probably wont last.) .....tick.

Feet is right. There is no way you have misinterpreted his behaviour for two years.

And the fact that his relatives have even mentioned his ex and her "gold digger personality" (and i still have doubts about that) also shows he must have moaned to them quite a lot about women being after his money.

I do not like the sound of him at all.

HelenaDove · 19/05/2015 19:04

Has he ever given you "advice" on how to spend your money OP?

AgathaChristie01 · 19/05/2015 20:47

Agree Helena, re all the signs, unfortunately, being there.

Lweji · 19/05/2015 21:05

Also agreeing with Helena.

It sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing. I wouldn't trust my life and being vulnerable at any point with this man.

springydaffs · 19/05/2015 23:50

You seem bent on a gently, gently approach to tackle this. That's not going to work (if indeed anything would work, which I doubt)

If he hasn't bought himself a £30k boat, I could convince myself he may have some kind of disorder, a kind of OCD around money. The boat blows that theory out of the erm water.

What strikes me is you are the compliant miss, easy on his mind. He treats you like the little beggar girl when it comes to money and what do you do? You don't mind. In fact you turn up at his house with food most times, then you clean his house top to bottom each time. Mr tight arse must think he's hit gold: a compliant woman who takes being treated like a wench without a murmur of complaint. If we're talking percentages, you give about 80% into the relationship; he gives about 5%?

Alright then, how about an experiment: if he pulls those excruciating cinema ticket/popcorn stunts again, how about you turn on your heel and go home. No explanation: zero tolerance. See if he's OK with a woman who would do something like that.

But no, you want to wait until you get home to have a gentle convo about it, using 'feminine wiles' to get yourself heard without worrying his ego too much. Us girls eh, we can get what we want if we employ the right tactics.

Hand on heart op, are you biding your time, playing it squeaky clean, to get the rich guy prize? Genuine q.

springydaffs · 19/05/2015 23:52

Because I can't see any other reason why you would put up with this shit?

HelenaDove · 20/05/2015 00:18

But it wouldnt be a prize OP Because trust me on this.....in five years time you could well be posting on here on how you need new shoes for your DC and hes told you to scout around for the cheapest and then counted the money out to the last penny.

Because a skinflint like this is going to get a big shock when he sees how quickly kids get through shoes and when they come home with holes in school trousers in the first week.

Ive seen and heard of many experiences of women and children suffering like this .
And it is hell!

AgathaChristie01 · 20/05/2015 00:53

Alright then, how about an experiment: if he pulls those excruciating cinema ticket/popcorn stunts again, how about you turn on your heel and go home. No explanation: zero tolerance. See if he's OK with a woman who would do something like that.

I would also, next time that he is being Mr Generous, around his family, start to count out the pounds and pence 'owed', saying 'this is what we usually do'...

tipsytrifle · 20/05/2015 09:04

Totally with what springydaffs said at 23.50pm. Sorry, CotswoldQueen - it's clear you don't welcome some of these opinions. I don't like a lot of the opinions and observations in my own mind either but experience has given them to me so I treasure them. They will hopefully prevent me being devoured by any more "takers" who unerringly spot that I'm a "giver."

Going 50/50 will escalate your debts because you'll be over-reaching. It is NOT "fair" at all, it's you being used. This boat - have you seen it? Doesn't it strike you as an utter frivolity in the face of such zealous financial husbandry?

ImperialBlether · 20/05/2015 12:29

Yes, I would like to see the OP go on a night out with his relatives where he is expansively treating everyone and then take out her purse, count out the exact money and pass it to him. When he won't take it, say, "Don't be silly, I owe you £19.89 for the meal." And then say to the group, "Boyfriend likes us to pay for our own things. We were the only ones in the cinema who did that, weren't we? Remember the look on the cashier's face, boyfriend, when you just bought your ticket? She could see me standing there, but she mustn't have realised that you were just buying your own."

Quitelikely · 20/05/2015 13:02

think about it........

You came on here, got all fired up, took him some loo roll, he sensed your annoyance and that was the real reason he bought lunch...........

The next time he tries to penny pinch. You need to walk away from him. No matter where you are.

Then have it out with him. His behaviour is ridiculous. Totally ridiculous. Not normal. At all.

Even if he wanted everything equal, that's fine but he takes it to another level. An abnormal one.

You have been warned by the wise old owls of MN.........ignore at your peril Grin

Just kidding but don't push this issue away. Confront it.

HelenaDove · 20/05/2015 14:27

This article isnt bad for the Mail but there is the usual advice from a counsellor saying put up and shut up.
The similarities between some of the men mentioned here and OPs DH seem quite stark.

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-445694/Are-married-miser.html

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep · 20/05/2015 21:05

He's definitely tight. And from what you've written you seem like a bit of a princess. So a bit of a mismatch.

HelenaDove · 20/05/2015 21:45

A princess wouldnt be taking round 3 meals a week.

And im guessing we are all princesses because id take a wild stab in the dark that we are all using loo roll Or are you using dock leaves MyChild

springydaffs · 20/05/2015 23:35

I say that about putting up with shit to get the rich guy bcs I know of someone who did precisely that. At one point during their courtship she was schlepping clean across London TO WATER HIS PLANTS while he was away on business. I may be a cynic but I really don't think it was entirely for love; she hung on like a limpet. They are now eye-watering wealthy, proper rich. I assume she's happy, they've been together a long time.

Perhaps you can do that, op? Fair enough. I just couldn't - which is probably why I am single and poor, hoisted on my own petard Grin

springydaffs · 20/05/2015 23:39

He's not tight though, this guy she sold her soul for chased with steely determination.

ImperialBlether · 21/05/2015 13:12

"Or are you using dock leaves MyChild"

Isn't it great when a nickname lends itself to a line? You sound like a nun, Helena.

It reminds me of a post where someone said something like, "My mum said to me, 'Where are you going, you bastard?'"

I spent ages thinking how rude the mother was, till I realised the OP was just using her own nickname.