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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
teawamutu · 13/05/2015 12:35

When he made that comment about the toilet roll, why on earth didn't you point out you're feeding him four times a week and cleaning his fecking house?

Sorry, but that's awful. He's flash to everyone else but mean with you. It would make me feel very undervalued.

HolgerDanske · 13/05/2015 12:35

Seriously, what now? The person who supposedly loves you is quibbling about loo roll?!

AugustaGloop · 13/05/2015 12:35

I don't think you sound like you want him to pay for everything (eg you pay for his dinner and wine several times a week - does he pay his share of that?). For me it would be not so much tightness but more the pettiness and keeping tabs on every penny. I would hate that. It would feel like a business transaction. Since he is generous in other ways, I wonder if he had a girlfriend in the past who took advantage and he is over-compensating by going too far the other way with you.
If you do stay with him, do not ever become a SAHM.

Quitelikely · 13/05/2015 12:36

When I read about loo roll that just made me think it's a no go.

Have you discussed this with him at all? Could you bring it up to get to the bottom of it?

I doubt he will change. They rarely do.

LurcioAgain · 13/05/2015 12:36

Sounds like my first long term boyfriend. It drove me mad. Every relationship (and most of my friendships) I've had since has been a give and take sort of thing - kind of "you get the takeaway pizza tonight, I'll get the cinema tickets tomorrow." All comes out in roughly right in the end.

There are some obvious exceptions when you're not living together and pooling expenses- there have to be some big ticket items up for discussion - like boyfriend wanting to fly to New York for a mini break when you can't afford the tickets - for me that would be a no, cos I couldn't pay my half, and I wouldn't be prepared to be beholden to someone for that amount of money. But every day stuff - turn and turn about. And toilet roll? What the hell? Mean as fuck is the phrase which springs to my mind.

HolgerDanske · 13/05/2015 12:37

(Sorry didn't read any further...)

CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:38

As stated on other page, yes his ex was a bit of a gold digger so I strongly suspect he is testing me somewhat, but I'm tired of being tested.

OP posts:
zigazigah01 · 13/05/2015 12:38

I agree with the poster who said until you are a 'household' you should pay your own way.

I earn a lot more than my bf. We always split the bill and he wouldn't be happy to do otherwise. Occasionally we'll treat each other but generally its split right down the middle. Both of us are comfortable with that. It's keeps the relationship balanced despite the disparity in income.

Obviously if we lived together that might change - so perhaps once things get to that point with him you might need to discuss how your finances would work.

We probably wouldn't quibble over £1.78 mind you!

ltk · 13/05/2015 12:38

Well, no, he is not exactly tight. He has given his family large amounts of money. And the OP does not expect him to pay for everything. She just does not want to split every expense down to the last penny.

OP, it does not sound like you have had a proper discussion with him about this. Find out what is happening in his head. Money is a huge issue for couples and nothing causes a split faster than arguments over the finances.

If he is worth considering longterm, then it is worth getting to the bottom of this. He would be a terror to live with if he is charging for toilet paper.

FatAli · 13/05/2015 12:38

Nothing more unattractive to me than a tightwad. Quibbling over trifling amounts, bleurgh. I would not have a long term relationship with him. And the loo roll observation would have me running a mile.

Plus, he's generous with others but not you. What does that say about his feelings for you?

sakura · 13/05/2015 12:39

Women are supposed to minimize concerns about money out of fear of appearing materialistic. Fuck that. I am 34 now and much wiser than I was at 24 and all the misogynistic names hurled at women do not bother me: gold-digger, materialistic etc etc.
Money is important. If I ruled the world it wouldn't be important, but I don't, so it is. I wish someone had taught me this crucial life lesson 10 years ago.

You are independent and self-sufficient. THis is a huge achievement that not many people reach. You are already spending more money on him than he is on you, it seems. Meals 4 nights a week cost a fortune.I see this as a sign of things to come because what you and he are doing is minimizing your financial contribution.

Sure he has a nice job and a big house but don't be taken in (or impressed!) by that. The richest men I've been in relationships with were always always the stingiest.

Jackiebrambles · 13/05/2015 12:39

Crikey. This just seems so odd to me - so he'll give his family £8k (agree, lovely gesture) but will quibble over £1.78 for popcorn and loo roll??

It's just so weird!

There must be some kind of backstory here. Do you think he's been taken for a ride by some kind of 'gold digger' in the past and that's why he's so funny about it?

Also, how old is he op?

CycleChic · 13/05/2015 12:40

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there why did you volunteer to bring loo roll over? And why did you not rub his nose in supplying his loo roll when he asked for £4.90 for your things? (Or did these incidents not happen in order? )
he sounds very tight, but why are you going with that?

Viviennemary · 13/05/2015 12:41

If this was the other way round it would give a different slant. You're not his wife and don't have entitlement to his money although you seem to think you do. Still he does sound very mean. You can hang around and hope thigns will change if he marries you and you will enjoy the high life or call it a day.

humlebee7 · 13/05/2015 12:41

This is beyond being 'careful' with money. I'd be concerned too and I know what you mean re getting occasional treats unexpectedly. The cinema ticket scenario is beyond the pale - your plan to split tickets /treats makes far more sense. I'd have a frank discussion with him about how it makes you feel and see what he says.

I think it would be a nightmare if you did move in together - might he be timing how long you have the hair dryer on or how often you bathe to charge the proportion of electricity bill?!

Plus it will be really highlighted if you are in maternity leave and he has to pay your share too (if you have reduced income).

Partners don't need to be 50:50 - and give and take and generosity is the basis of a sound partnership IMHO.

I chucked one ex for being tight among other things as it's not what you want. Careful with money is different - as in working within a budget, but not too rigid either.

Jackiebrambles · 13/05/2015 12:42

X post about the ex. That goes some way to explain, but I'd still move on if I was you OP!

Was he moaning about the loo roll because you are a woman and use more of it than him who can stand up to pee?? :)

sakura · 13/05/2015 12:42

I very much doubt his ex was a "gold-digger". I bet she just protested at the fact he kept tabs on her loo-roll sheets.

CaptainAnkles · 13/05/2015 12:42

Have you considered constantly bringing up the cost of things when you pay, so that he sees how miserly it sounds? 'So, I brought that pack of loo paper over, you owe me £1.89 for that, and the Mars bar the other day, that's another 73p' etc etc. would he be a bit Hmm at it, or would he think that was fine?

AugustaGloop · 13/05/2015 12:44

Even when I am out with friends we don't even things up to this extent so long as it feels roughly equal. Sometimes we split the bill, sometimes it is easier for one person to pay in which case someone else will pay next time. If the amount are not the same, it does not matter, it comes out in the wash.

HellKitty · 13/05/2015 12:44

Wait until you're next over, make sure you have taken YOUR toilet roll out before he goes in for a poo. When he complains then tear off piece by piece and poke it under the door saying, '5p, 10p, 15p, 20p....'

He sounds like a cock. If I'd been behind you in the cinema I'd have died on your behalf.

confusedoflondon · 13/05/2015 12:44

My exh is very wealthy. And very generous actually, on his terms. When we were married I wanted for nothing financially. He was and his whole family indeed incredibly 'on the ball' with where every penny goes - I guess thats how he ended up so wealthy. I remember distinctly his mum taking his pants up for him at the hem and asking him for the £1.47 for the bobbin of cotton used. And him paying it.

ChinUpChestOut · 13/05/2015 12:45

I think you know that it is unlikely that he is going to suddenly change how he spends his money. And it is unlikely that you are suddenly going to want to count every penny.

In the same way that you knew when your previous relationship no longer worked for you (despite the fact that your ex-DP was wonderful in so many ways), you know that this relationship does not work for you. Every time you go out you will wonder how the money aspect will be played out. At some point, you will add up the cost of the ingredients for dinner that you have bought, and ask him for half. And you will hate yourself for it, because it's not you. You two are fundamentally different in a very important matter.

Let this relationship go. You need to find someone who you can be at ease with on all the important things, including money. He needs someone more like him.

sakura · 13/05/2015 12:46

ConfusedofLOndon, he's not really on the ball with where the OP's money goes, though, so that is a problem. Free meals and free cleaning seems to be overlooked.

TengoSueno · 13/05/2015 12:46

I wouldn't and couldn't move in with such a person. Sharing financial responsibilities is one thing but counting loo-roll out is quite another. It is not just the being tight but it is making you look like a dick in front of others. I would be running a mile. How about you start by asking him to pay for the maid services you are supplying and also reimbursing the food you are buying. There is nothing more unattractive than mean spiritedness.

MyCatIsAGit · 13/05/2015 12:46

Do you think is ex really was a 'gold digger' or do you think she was just looking for a normal kind of relationship with a bit of give and take, where the fact that one earns more than the other is taken into account etc.

I couldn't be with someone who would buy his own ticket at the cinema...can you imagine how this is going to escalate with him counting how many sheets of loo roll you used? It must be exhausting. Just move on.

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