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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
lolalotta · 13/05/2015 13:16

I think you made a mistake dumping you ex. Sounds like you got the 7 year itch and wanted out...

IDontDoIroning · 13/05/2015 13:17

Stop bringing food over for him - either say I'll cook Monday and bring xyz and you do food Tuesday or ask him for half. It's saving him a good few ££ every week,
Also stop doing his cleaning.
If he begrudges you a few sheets of loo roll after getting 4 home cooked meals and cleaning he isn't a keeper.

tipsytrifle · 13/05/2015 13:17

It's the self-centred, callous rudeness involved that shocks me most. For sure his intimate relationship with finances and family does not include you, CotswoldQueen. But not even asking for two tickets and then you each pay? Or sorting it out equably in advance? I like to think by the time he turned round to check that I was humbly following his carefully counted footsteps, I'd have vacated the cinema. Or paid for my ticket (to see a different film?) and sat very elsewhere. The concept of going out together is about being "together" isn't it? He must be amazing for you to have endured 2 yrs of this utter nonsense! I'd be generously unraveling my special loo roll all over his bathroom and leaving him to it.

TokenGinger · 13/05/2015 13:18

I've not read all of the responses so I'm not sure if it's already been mentioned, but the guy I'm dating and I are trialling something.

We each struggle with cash once mortgages / cars / petrol / bills are paid. And it wasn't so much that we begrudge spending money on each other, it's just we'd get panicked about not having enough money to last us until the end of the month so we put a contingency plan in place.

Each of us is going to pay £100 in to a leisure fund envelope. So we have £200 there a month for joint activities - cinema trip, takeaways, meals out etc.

Might be an idea to take away the constant splitting of bills.

soontobemumofthree · 13/05/2015 13:19

I don't think you have the same attitude to money and he is unlikely to change completely, but ? he may accept some compromise.

TBH I don't think unless you are living together you should have any benefit financially. He is taking splitting things to the limit though.

On the other hand - you have debts, renting, little disposable income, have animals. People may slate me for this, but I would be financially cautious of you, if you were someone I was dating. Probably because my parents (if they knew!) would be appalled you were going out for meals, nights out and cinema in your financial situation. The way I was brought up has rubbed off on me somewhat. I still buy bargains, second hand clothes, cheaper hairdresser few times a year, repair things when I can. Although I am a lot more "relaxed" now about what I (probably still) consider frivolous spending (eg cinema). However DH and I are v similar in outlook having both been brought up in big families with no extra money but who still had savings.

Having said that, my friends are not the same as me. If I am with them I just behave more they do and buy coffee for 3 or whatever.

GoatsDoRoam · 13/05/2015 13:19

Not helpful, lola. People are free to end relationships at any time, for whatever reason.

AlbrechtDurer · 13/05/2015 13:20

I couldn't be with someone like this. You don't even live together, and yet money is such a issue (of his making). Fast forward a few years and imagine what he would be like when you're on maternity leave.

trevortrevorslatterfry · 13/05/2015 13:20

tight

tribpot · 13/05/2015 13:25

Never mind mat leave, the OP could be bankrupted by a single case of food poisoning given his attitude to the loo roll.

glidingpig · 13/05/2015 13:26

OP's not grabby and this bloke isn't just careful, he's as tight as a mouse's chuff! What wealthy person worries about being recompensed for the amount of loo roll their partner of two years uses when staying over a few nights a week? I mean I'm assuming here that the OP doesn't festoon the house with it or wrap herself up like a mummy. Depressingly, it probably hasn't even occurred to him that the cleaning etc. the OP does more than makes up for her use of precious bog paper household resources - since when has housework been valued as the useful and necessary work it is? In OP's shoes I'd sure as hell stop cleaning any mess I hadn't helped to make.

To be fair to him though, rather than purposely being generous to everyone but the OP, it's possible he just has very set ideas about 'special' spending and 'everyday' spending. So he can give thousands to his nephews, treat everyone to dinner for a special family visit, and drop a small fortune on a boat, but small ordinary purchases to him are something you should be careful about. Lots of people are a bit like that, I think. And in an established relationship, cinema trips etc. become an ordinary thing rather than an extra special thing. Add in the hangover from the ex who - giving cautious benefit of the doubt - may have been grabby, and you have a right tightarse for a DP.

Totting everything up to this degree is not kind and not fair on the OP. Not because he should be paying more than her, but because it shouts "I need to make sure everything's fair to stop you from fleecing me!" Who'd feel comfortable with that implication hanging in the air? Neither me or DH is rolling in money, but we've always just got on with buying stuff - now I'm a SAHM we work on the basis of shared household income, but when we both WOH, each of us was happy to treat the other in the knowledge that it all worked out more or less equal in the end. The person to pay was usually the person who got to their wallet first. It just hasn't been an issue, because we each trust the other not to be a dick!

silveracorn · 13/05/2015 13:26

he sounds creepy. Ti8ghtness, when it isn't due to lack of money, is really hugely off putting. I think it normally comes with meanness in other ways too: emotionally stingy and sexually stingy. I'd run.

You don't sound gold diggy to me. you sound like someone who took mutual generosity for granted in a previous relationship and now feel (imo justifiably) upset by the meanness in your new one.

kissmethere · 13/05/2015 13:30

So he can be generous, but not generous to you all the time?
There's a lot of comparing with your ex here and I can see why. I don't blame you for not getting him and the toilet roll thing seems to show a real problem. What man watches how much toilet roll his gf is using?
He's generous with family understandably but you don't for into that equation unfortunately so you don't get the perks (although it sounds like you get some ie your car, cocktails etc)
Unless this change I'd drop him. Massive, massive turnoff is a tightfisted man.

magoria · 13/05/2015 13:31

He is happy for you to pay for his food 3 or 4 nights a week, to clean his house and help with his dogs but begrudges you a few sheets of loo roll.

Sometimes at the cinema I will pay for tickets, sweets and a meal after. Sometimes DP will pay it all.

It is give and take and if you pay this time and him next it balances out without the mean penny pinching attitude.

Inexperiencedchick · 13/05/2015 13:31

I've had a straight turn off from a guy I really fancied when he commented on the 2nd dinner (3rd date in total) that I've eaten more than the first time.

I couldn't believe what I heard but I do remember he was nitpicking.

I felt bad after that, I guess it's the same as loo rolls.

He is coming from poor background, rich now with high fly career.

He used to request that I finish drinking tea (if we were in the cafe) to the last drop.

Some people are like that, but I guess they have a logo: "better be safe than sorry"

It works in some ways but it doesn't in others.

NameChange30 · 13/05/2015 13:32

I agree with Cat:
"Also what's with cleaning his house??? You run two separate, independent households – I think cleaning his house sends a very bad message, that you don't consider yourself his equal and will skivvy for him."

I could never be in a relationship with such a mean, petty man. But at the very least you should stop cleaning for him and stop buying him food and other things - you should charge him half like he does for you. And if you don't want to be that person, you need to have a very frank discussion with him - and be prepared to end it if he doesn't listen and isn't open to compromise.

CornChips · 13/05/2015 13:34

I agree that he is tight tight tight and it does not auger well. I also doubt his ex was a gold digger. Makes me think he is using that to keep you on a leash really..... you are trying to 'prove' you are different, hence the very unequal relationship.

Interesting someone up thread mentioned how women are given these negative terms such as 'gold digger'..... had not thought of it like that before.

OnlyLovers · 13/05/2015 13:34

'Sounds like you expect him to pay for you because he's the man'

'You come across as rather grabby tbh'

'my parents (if they knew!) would be appalled you were going out for meals, nights out and cinema in your financial situation.'

Have a word with yourselves, will you?

She cleans his house and cooks (and buys food) for them 3–4 times a week.

He quibbles over £1.78 and drops hints about loo roll usage.

OP, if you don't LTB, for the love of God stop being his cook/housekeeper.

That cinema stunt is fucking appalling. As others have said too, I have acquaintances who wouldn't behave like that, let alone a so-called partner.

Jan45 · 13/05/2015 13:36

I would actually find him a total embarrassment in front of my friends and family if he was carrying on like this.

tipsytrifle · 13/05/2015 13:37

ahem

DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?
MillyMollyMandy78 · 13/05/2015 13:37

OP this sounds like a major pain. I really would not expect this to improve when you move in together either, if anything it will probably get worse. My DB got married last year, him and his wife have been together over 6 years and living together for most of it. They both seem to have the same attitude about money, but they count every penny they spend together on dates etc and everything has to be split 50:50 exactly. It seems to work for them but i find it a bit odd. You will be sitting down for a meal out with them and they will be scrabbling around for their half of the bill. If one of them has a dearer drink etc they will only pay what they actually ate/ drank and not a penny more. Went shopping with them last visit and SIL was going on about how DB owes her £1 from the other day. They are both very well off with similar wages. As i say it works for them, but would drive me mad!

Alibabsandthe40Musketeers · 13/05/2015 13:38

Why are you cleaning his house? And why are you taking food and wine to his all the time? Housekeeper who he shags is sounding about right.

If you are serious about him and about the relationship, then you need to sit down and have a proper talk with him.

beigesheepclothes · 13/05/2015 13:39

massive, massive red flags

the wanting kids thing?

look up some of the older threads here, where a woman is living in poverty having sacrificed career, work, a "frugal but ok lifestyle" and now has to pay for f**king childcare out of her maternity pay. because the man wants the children.

you will just be a breeding partner, not a partner.

I also think you seem to feel guilty about having debts and that you have to now have to "prove" something to him by going along with his mean, weird ways.

like others have said, sometimes this "prove you're NOT a gold digger" thing is taken too far.

Skiptonlass · 13/05/2015 13:40

I'm a saver. So is my hubby. Both careful with cash, neither spend above our means.

But... We still go out for meals, weekends away and never, ever quibble about things. We have a rough 'my turn or yours?' Sort of thing but it's more of an in joke than a real count.

A man who quibbles about loo roll is not a keeper.

Imagine yourself ten years down the line, on maternity leave with child no. 3, having to beg him for money for shoes for the kids, or a haircut, while he goes out on the boat. Not a nice thought.

Boats, by the way are a massive, massive money pit. You know what they the happiest days of a boat owners life are? The day you buy the boat and the day you sell the boat.

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 13/05/2015 13:41

There is a world of difference between a couple who don't live together sharing expenses and splitting every item down to the last penny. The OP doesn't expect her DP to pay her share in any way. But in a normal couple, in the same way as a friendship, you both pay bit here and there, one day it's his treat, next time yours etc. But going to the cinema and buying two separate tickets?!?! That's just rude and weird. No way could I maintain a relationship with someone so obsessed with money. It's just petty and ridiculous. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if you were married and staying at home with your children - with him holding the purse strings? Run, run like the wind.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/05/2015 13:41

Re your comment from your initial post:-

"He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family".

He's clever because doing all of this for you makes you feel more obligated to him. He is doing this not for your benefit but for his (and its no more than the normal really either), he feels like he owns you and treats you accordingly. He holds all the power in this relationship and you sound like his unpaid housekeeper keeping house for him as well.

What do you get out of this relationship with him?. What needs of yours does he meet in you?.

I think your relationship radar is on the blink and has made you therefore easy prey for opportunists like this man to use you. You are being used.

He is tight and such parsimony never works out well for the receiver.

This relationship really has no future in it due to his parsimony. Time to call this a day now also because it won't get better.

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