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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

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letscookbreakfast · 16/05/2015 20:01

How old is the OP as I've been led to believe that people with debt are quite common (I have some debt myself).

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letscookbreakfast · 16/05/2015 20:17

I'm late twenties, myself and most friends have debt, whether it's credit cards, mortgages or cars etc. I honestly thought that it was quite normal.

Gralick · 16/05/2015 20:22

Ah. I didn't realise you were referring specifically to childbearing issues. OP doesn't have DC with this chap, and I hope she never does.

Gralick · 16/05/2015 20:26

It is quite normal, letscook. Mumsnet is a magical place where nobody ever buys anything until they can pay cash upfront. Or uses a toilet brush, but that's not relevant here (or is it?? Is our favourite skinflint measuring bristle wear & tear?)

alicemonrovia · 16/05/2015 20:30

I kind of agree with Kvetch, although I think a bit of debt is common with people in their 20's/early 30's.

Especially when there is the plan of career progression in a vocational career, it's certainly the social norm in my group to do travel and coffee and dressing well and generally enjoy being fit and young and childfree (dipping into the overdraft at times then paying it back with overtime or a rise or a bonus) I know I'd have seriously regretted my 20's if I'd spent them counting the pennies.

OP you seem resistant to all the voices telling you this guy is bad news? would you actually tolerate this behaviour if he was a teacher or a nurse or a mature student in a flatshare?

I do think some women enjoy the "bragging rights" of telling others "my partner is a successful banker or a doctor or a lawyer or owns a boat/country cottage/has X lifestyle"

of course not all rich men are bad husbands (and some poor guys can be really bitter, envious, entitled twats!)

but when the day-to-day reality of interacting with these men (as in your case) is fairly ghastly and humilating, what's keeping you apart from the hope that one day you'll be accepted and part of his lifestyle and the one benefitting from his money?

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Joysmum · 16/05/2015 20:31

It's not normal in my circle of friends. We all wanted to save to get ourselves on/up the ladder and didn't buy what we couldn't afford.

Twinklestein · 16/05/2015 20:53

I think you both have a shitty attitude to money to be honest and it's unfortunate you're at opposite ends of the shitty spectrum

Who's the one here with the shitty attitude?

virgospirit · 16/05/2015 20:54

How anyone can say 'I love you' in one breath and then say 'by the way you owe me £20' in the next, is totally beyond me.

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BuggersMuddle · 16/05/2015 21:22

Her DP may be 'cautious' about her debt, but surely that's an early relationship caution? Two years in and spending most nights together he should surely be relatively comfortable as she's paying it down?

I mentioned this thread to DP, who was earning a lot more than me when we met. He said that while he didn't expect me to take the piss, he knew I had less money and so expected that he'd be footing meals out etc. far more than me. To be fair though, he tended to be the one to suggest them and I'd suggest a DVD and a bottle of wine.

I suppose one difference (being as we were very young) was that he knew I had the ambition and capability to earn as much / more than him. I also had no debts other than mortgage.

LuluJakey1 · 16/05/2015 21:31

He will be wrapping up tiny portions of out of date food in clingfilm and keeping it in the fridge for weeks and then eating 5 of the things together as his tea, in 30 years time. He is not going to change.

Monitoring that toiletpaper useage has increased becausehe is in a relationship and mentioning that would have been the tipping point for me. LTB

HelenaDove · 16/05/2015 21:46

OP doesnt have a shitty attitude. She cant afford to do anything involving the word "shitty" as he is so tight with his bog roll.

BuggersMuddle are you saying that if you were a barmaid or shop assistant he wouldnt have been interested in dating you if you didnt have the capacity to earn more.

Anerak · 16/05/2015 21:48

Debt is not normal - of course you shouldn't buy something unless you have the money at that time. That's what my parents taught me and it's been invaluable advice.
He can afford luxuries because he's careful with his money and everytime you go out you should split the bill imo - at least until you're in tge position to have a shared account... Although keeping a list of who has paid for what is going really far. He probably wants to split things because he's afraid of the OP's relationship with money and in a way wants her to be accountable for her financial situation so is trying to lead by example and show that you should pay for what you spend; not buy when you don't have the money at that time; and appreciate a treat paid for by someone else now and again because it is just that: a treat! And if you want treats everyday then work harder and treat yourself. I think that's how he's thinking but it's pure speculation, of course

HelenaDove · 16/05/2015 21:54

Im nearly 42 and have never been in debt.

And i STILL think the only one with the shitty attitude is the OPs "boyfriend" And i use the word boyfriend in its loosest term.

Because the fact that ive never been in debt doesnt mean i get to use that fact to feel superior over someone that is.

Especially when that someone is very likely headed towards a financially abusive situation.

Twinklestein · 16/05/2015 22:14

I was rather implying it was you kvetch.

Perhaps it was too subtle...

BitOutOfPractice · 16/05/2015 23:24

Kvetch what a lot of really crass assumptions and pronouncements you have made. You know nothing of the OPs financial background or what her debts are or are for. Get your judgey knickers out of the crack of your arse

BitOutOfPractice · 16/05/2015 23:32

Twinkle was I subtle enough?!?!

BitOutOfPractice · 16/05/2015 23:32

Twinkle was I subtle enough?!?!

YonicScrewdriver · 16/05/2015 23:43

As a brick, Bit!

Grin
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TandemFlux · 17/05/2015 10:45

I thought OP had stated what her debts were for? Much earlier in the thread.

Lweji · 17/05/2015 10:50

It does not fucking matter what OP's debts are for.

This man has the gall to resent the fucking toilet paper she uses at his fucking home, when she fucking brings food for him to fucking eat.

This clearly shows his character and tells any decent people that she shouldn't stay with him. Not sure how that reflects in any way to the OP.

Gralick · 17/05/2015 12:04

Fucking well said, Lweji Grin

The only reflection on OP is her slightly worrying determination to cling on to the hope of happy endings in this. Life is not a fairy tale, Queen; beasts & frogs are beasts & frogs for life, no matter how much you look the other way. Hold out for your hero. You're trying to change this bloke into something he's not.

Did someone teach you that you're not worth much unless you sacrifice? They were lying.