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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

OP posts:
TandemFlux · 17/05/2015 12:07

No need for rudeness Lew

Lweji · 17/05/2015 12:15

We are on fucking MN, there's always need for rudeness, particularly when we can't call pps twats.

wonders if she can get away with the PA

Lweji · 17/05/2015 12:15

Who's Lew?

TandemFlux · 17/05/2015 12:18

Personally I think there are issues on both sides due to totally different attitudes to cash. Him because he was stung financially by his ex and clearly is taking time to trust OP. On a handful of times been very pedantic with cash despite being generous with various investments including paying for part of Op's holiday. He is also taking advantage of her good nature/cooking/cleaning. OP because she was feckless creating debts by living beyond her means and has been silly enough to shop, cook and clean for him when it seems imbalanced and inappropriate.

HolgerDanske · 17/05/2015 12:34

I don't think it's due to being stung by his ex, and if it is that's actually worse as he is effectively deliberately punishing the OP for something that's nothing at all to do with her.

I think it's just the way he is, and it's a nasty way to behave toward someone he purports to love.

Gralick · 17/05/2015 12:35

Well, we only have his word that he was stung financially by his ex.

Perhaps he meant she refused to count how many sheets of bog paper she used. Or wouldn't fork out for half the popcorn.

rookiemere · 17/05/2015 12:44

Yes, even if the ex did take him for all he was worth, it seems a bit unfair that 2 years into the relationship the OP is paying a high price, both emotionally and financially for someone else's mistakes.

rookiemere · 17/05/2015 12:47

Oh and yes he gave her some money towards the holiday, but only because otherwise she couldn't afford to go away with him and clearly he wanted to go. £200 seems like a weird amount, if you really wanted someone to go you'd pay for their flights, or their accommodation, or tell them not to worry about paying for meals when they were out.

She paid for her own expenses when there. I wonder did she sit nursing a bowl of pasta whilst he tucked into his steak so she could afford to be there, I also wonder what sort of a tipper this guy is. I could never link myself with a mean tipper.

AmelieinOz · 17/05/2015 13:00

Showed this thread to my best friend - a guy. Asked him what he thinks. He said, "he's stingy."

findingmyfeet12 · 17/05/2015 14:37

I mentioned this to my dh too and he said the guy was tight.

As a pp said, the caution issue is only understandable if they had been together for a short time. Two years is long enough to decide whether there is any future in a relationship.

That said, the toilet paper thing is unacceptable even for a cautious person in a short term relationship.

The op has stated that she and her partner usually have plans with friends. If this is the case then it seems that they do have an active social life. Op also said that she only has about £100 left over per month to spend on going out and treats. I think I have a very different outlook to the op wrt money. If I already had plans most weekends with friends and only £100 left per month, I would probably prefer nights in with a DVD or go for a walk with the dog and save that money for emergencies.

MakeHayIsOrange · 17/05/2015 15:05

Just a thought, next time he has ishoos with loo paper, cut up an old tshirt and turn up with it. Tell him it's family cloth, to use and chuck in the wash. Should appeal to his...ahem...frugal side. Grin

HelenaDove · 17/05/2015 15:37

So Tandem He gets to punish her for something his ex did in the past and get away with it. But she has to atone and take responsibility for her actions from the past while he doesnt.

Careful Your misogyny is showing. because its clear to me that you are saying women are responsible for mens behaviour.

And just to reiterate I reckon all his ex did was call him on his shitty behaviour. And was labelled a gold digger as a handy hook to hang his hat on so he could continue to feel entitled to behave like this in future relationships.

Miggsie · 17/05/2015 15:43

I am baffled as to how having a girlfriend who was a gold digger then turns you into someone who counts loo roll pieces.

I think his previous girlfriend got through more than 1 roll of loo paper in a week and he couldn't cope.

He's stingy - he always was, the character of his previous girlfriends is irrelevant. He's tight and takes the view that anyone who disagrees with his actions is defective in some way. He isn't a nice person and the OP has low standards when it comes to men.

morage · 17/05/2015 16:06

I do know vaguely one man who is like this and claims his previous girlfriends were gold diggers. In reality he is simply misogynistic and thinks badly of any woman he has a sexual relationship with. Only his mother is wonderful in his eyes.

daisychain01 · 17/05/2015 16:58

I'd get a butchers hook put up in his toilet and put squares of shredded up copies of the Daily Mail on it, good Eco-friendly toilet paper.

I wonder if his toilet paper comment was just a PA dig at you queen? Maybe he is incapable of expressing in a mature way that he doesn't feel comfortable about you having debt, and that the only way of dealing with it.

Only you can decide your threshold of acceptance for the way he is, but if it was me, the thought of a mathematical division of expenses would just about kill off any feelings of love. Saying this as someone who had a LD relationship with my DP for 6 years, where we spent our lives flipping between my place and his and I honestly couldn't tell you who paid more for what, it just all seemed to happen fair and square in the end, with each of us being willing to chip in as and when needed.

daisychain01 · 17/05/2015 16:59

that was his way of dealing with it

daisychain01 · 17/05/2015 17:05

I can't stand the way that "gold digger" is always ascribed to women, grrr. I suppose "cock lodger" is the MN equivalent, but probably not something that can be easily said out there in the RW Smile

The Equality /Justice illustration up thread is awesome. I must print it out and put it on my desk at work!

Roussette · 17/05/2015 17:34

The guy is beyond stingy. Anyone who can spend £30K on what is basically a toy , yet counts the pennies out for one cinema ticket, is a total tight wad.

Also, going halves when someone is earning far far more money is just mean.

And OP, please don't put in the £100 each for meals etc and once it's gone is gone. If he earns 3 times as much as you, he should put in 3 times as much. If you are planning on ending up with this guy, that is the fair way.

My DH is a generous man and I wouldn't have it any other way. If he had ever quibbled over a cinema ticket or halves to the penny on a meal bill in the early years, we would never have lasted. I can say to him any time "lend us a tenner" and he would just give it to me. Because he is so generous I always give it back eventually he never asks but I want to because he would give the shirt off his back to someone and I love that trait in him. note - other traits of his are bloody annoying!

If someone is well off and stingy, it makes me very very uneasy. I am a generous person but it makes me wary. I had a relationship a long time ago to someone who had to split everything to the penny and I hated it. I give, my DH gives, we meet in the middle and it's six of one and half a dozen of another. That's what you want. OP, you sound generous and like me as far as being easygoing with money, this man will drive you bonkers with his money pettiness.

butterfly133 · 17/05/2015 18:10

I hope CotswoldQueen is okay, hopefully you will come back and update us? One thing I noticed you said upthread is that he asks what you'd like to do on a Saturday night and you feel he hopes you will say "stay in" and you would like him to say "I'm taking you to...." I always prefer to be asked, and he isn't a mind reader but hopefully by now you have had a chat to him about it and a clearer idea of what is going on.

This thread has been eye opening for me in many ways. I have a friend who paid off his mortgage at a young age by being incredibly tight - his then girlfriend put up with it and now, as his wife and mother of his 2 children, is glad that he did that. I was quite tight in my 20s and I am very glad of that because having a good chunk of savings is always helpful. I'm often shocked at what society considers "normal" expenditure now. I also often entertain at home rather than saying "let's go out" - partly because it saves money, but also I am rather like the OP's partner, I prefer to stay in. It's not just money, it's often nicer, I think, less formal.

I'm not sure if this is why, but I don't automatically think "LTB". I'm not impressed with the loo roll and cinema ticket thing but sometimes we develop oddities without realising we've developed them - and he sounds nice otherwise. The OP has said that she is cleaning because she wants to.

it may be the case that they are not well suited but that's a different thing.

Also I'm surprised by comments that the boat is a frivolous thing. I get that it's not a pension, lol, but sometimes I've saved every penny in some areas in order to buy something that really matters to me. I suspect the boat will be the same for him - he will saved hard and bought what he wanted - as a direct result of penny pinching in other ways.

anyway, I hope it went all right, OP.

HelenaDove · 17/05/2015 18:20

butterfly if its so ok and just an oddity why doesnt he treat her the same way in front of other people as he does in private.

Yes the boat is a frivolous thing ......but having to use bog roll after taking a shit isnt. The OP having to worry about how much she uses each time is ridiculous.

And hes making damn sure he is not the one affected by the penny pinching.

Roussette · 17/05/2015 18:42

Hmmm I think a boat is a very frivolous thing! It's not a car or an iPad, it's a total indulgence and it cost £30,000. Then there's mooring fees and upkeep etc, it's an expensive hobby! Everyone is entitled to buy what they want after saving but don't then quibble over an £8 cinema ticket. Penny pinching is right, that's exactly what he is doing, but it's at the expense of someone he wants to spend his life with.

butterfly133 · 17/05/2015 18:59

HelenaDove, I did say I agree that the cinema and loo roll thing is odd and not right.

Rousette - I guess what I'm saying is sometimes the things you really really want, and are very happy and fulfilled by having, can seem frivolous to others. As for the £8 cinema vs saving for the boat, I can see that argument if they were planning to spend their life together but I didn't think it was that serious? Apols if I missed something.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 17/05/2015 19:07

I love that she's 'silly' for cooking meals and cleaning but he's 'careful' with his loo roll! (Snorts!)

Tbh he sounds terrible, and I think you are blind to his faults as you are using the wrong yardstick to measure him. Just because he's not the same wrong as your most recent ex, doesn't mean to say he's great.

And of course, the most important thing is that he doesn't have to be evil to be not right for you... Something that gets forgotten in the rush to judgement on these threads.

HelenaDove · 17/05/2015 19:11

Aside from my own experience which ive posted upthread , ive seen friends go through similar with their partners Their partners moaning about how much things like haircuts/ clothes etc cost (and im talking high street not designer , then when their wives reign it in a bit the husbands eyes are out on stalks when they see a glamourous woman.

OP I dont know how old you are but a good example of what ive described is an episode of an old comedy series, The Good Life called The Last Posh Frock. It might be on youtube. The wife in this show gave up so much and then her husband spends an entire evening eyeing up a glam woman who comes to dinner.

Yes its a comedy but the message within speaks volumes.

rookiemere · 17/05/2015 19:13

That is an important point miscellaneous - the guy doesn't have to be dreadful or Scrooge McDuck ( that did make me laugh though), he just has to be not right enough for you to give you every justification to say "Next".

I have friends who are happily married who enjoy having the house at 16 degrees, take great pride in buying all their weekly shop for less than £50 or whatever and are happy as Larry. Frankly it would be my idea of hell, and thankfully DH's as well, but as it suits both of them, then it's fine.

I'd talk to RL friends about it, ones who have met him and get their take on it, once of course you've had your chat with him.