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DP- is he tight or am I just a princess?

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CotswoldQueen · 13/05/2015 12:18

I have been with my DP for 2 years, we have a great relationship, I fancy him rotten, he is kind and caring, we get on great and he DOES make me really happy. I don’t know whether I’m just being a princess, trying to self-sabotage or what but sometimes it just seems like….well I don’t really know.

I guess I could start by saying that my long term ex was fabulous, we were together for 6 years, he was everything my current DP is but also generous and I was never in any doubt that he absolutely adored me and was my no 1 fan. Unfortunately, for me, the relationship just wasn’t what I wanted, I felt like we’d become more like best friends, I just didn’t want him sexually anymore, I absolutely loved the bones of him, but I was no longer in love with him so I ended it.

When I say he was generous, he would sometimes buy me random, thoughtful presents just because he thought I’d like them. He would always insist on paying when we went out and I would literally have to put the cash for my half into his jacket pocket etc when he wasn’t looking. He would love to celebrate our anniversaries, birthdays etc and would book surprise weekends away or take me out to dinner.

Don’t get me wrong, because he was generous to me, I wanted to be generous to him too and was, I used to spoil him on his birthday and on our anniversary’s etc. It was just nice, I know it’s materialistic but we both just enjoyed treating each other.

Cut to current DP, he has a very good, professional job, earns a lot of money and has a lot of disposable income. He, however, is a saver not a spender. He kinda counts every penny and just, I don’t know, I can’t really explain it but it’s like he resents spending anything on me?

We don’t live together, he has his own (large house) and I currently rent a cottage off a family friend. After paying for my rent, bills and paying off some debts and the animals, I don’t have a vast amount left over each month, enough to have a couple of nights out a month etc but not loads.

Whenever we go out for dinner, it always has to be split, down to the last penny. If I can’t afford to pay half then we (generally, there have been a couple of exceptions) don’t go. There is hardly ever an offer of ‘let’s go out to dinner tonight, I’m paying.’

I stay at his 3, occasionally 4 nights a week, but on the majority of those evenings I bring dinner for us both and wine for myself if drinking it. I clean his house (he is generally tidy but a typical man and can be a bit messy) help to look after his 2 dogs.

The other evening he made a hinting comment about how much toilet roll is being used lately with the 2 of us there, so I said I’d bring some round next time I’m there. A few weeks ago he was going to Tesco and I asked him if he could pick me up some make up remover wipes and deodorant as I had ran out of both, he did. They came to a total of £4.90 and he reminded me about that £4.90 within about 15 mins after getting back, I was going to give him the money FGS but it’s £4, I’m sure he’s not going to go bankrupt if he doesn’t get it within the hour.

I will often pay for things if we go out and he’ll say ‘I’ll transfer you half when we get back.’ And I say ‘It’s fine, it’s only £10 FGS’ The other week we went to the cinema, there was a massive que and I said ‘I’ll get the tickets, why don’t you get in the que for the popcorn.’ He said ‘No it’s fine, the film doesn’t start for another 15 mins yet, we’ve got plenty of time’ So, we finally get to the front and it’s so awkward as before I can say anything he goes ‘Ticket for one please to see XXX.’ The cashier looked really embarrassed, looked at us both and repeated ‘Just the one ticket?’ to which I jumped in before he could say anything and said ‘YES and one for me please too after he’s paid for his.’ We then went to the que for food, I stood in front of him and said ‘I’m going to get a medium, mixed popcorn.’ He then said ‘So how much is that, £3.56, I’ll give you the £1.78 when we get home.’ I had had enough at this point as the couple stood behind us (same couple that had stood behind for the tickets too) I could tell were aghast and snapped IT’S FINE, I CAN TREAT YOU TO SOME BLUMMIN POPCORN!! He looked a bit sheepish but said no, I owe you it, I’ll pay half, which he did!

We had a talk when we got home that night as he could tell I was annoyed, I said we are in a relationship, I do not want to quibble over £1.78 etc, and count every penny, it’s ridiculous and embarrassing. He said okay, let’s take it in turns to pay for things. Fine, but it really is mostly rigid with that and he even keeps a ‘diary’ of who has paid what, it just feel so…… unromantic?? I don’t mind blummin paying for him and treating him to things because I love him, I don’t expect half back etc or for him to rigidly ensure he treats me the next time.

The thing is, although he’s careful with his money he will OCCASIONALLY be generous with me, i.e get the bill if we go out, or the cinema tickets etc but it will be only be occasionally. He is generous to other people in his life, we had his brother and his wife down a few weeks ago and when they arrived on the Friday evening, he took us all out for a 3 course dinner and paid for the lot, same when his parents and friends have visited, in fact, he is pretty generous with his family and friends? He gave his brother a cheque for £8k when they were last down, to put into his two nephew’s trust funds. I felt an enormous rush of love for him when he did this, it was such a lovely, lovely thing to do.

He also went out and spent £30k on a boat a few weeks ago, so it’s really not like he doesn’t like spending money. He definitely doesn’t mind spending on his hobbies etc, he’s just not into frivolous spending I guess but also, doesn’t yet, seem to want to be generous when it comes to me?

Despite all said above, he is unbelievably kind, caring, supportive, good and generous in bed. He looks after me when I am ill, washes and cleans my car for me randomly when I’m not expecting it, has spent all day when I was on a girls day time cocktail/shopping trip fixing my car and the sole of a boot of mine that had broken, he cooks me dinner, brings me tea and toast in the morning at the weekends, gives me lifts if I need them, supports me in my hobby, is lovely to my friends and family. He is pretty perfect, but, for some reason I just don’t feel comfortable with him re money.

I am aware this post makes me seem like a mercenary gold digger, I promise you I’m not. I really do, I think I have just been really lucky with my ex in that he was an all-round nice guy and generous to boot. I have now met another all-round nice guy but he just tirelessly counts and records every penny when it comes to us and our relationship and I am starting to wonder whether this will continue (given that he is generous with his friends and family) and if so, whether it is a deal breaker for me. He has been vocal about wanting kids and we have talked about the future, I have absolutely no doubt that he would be generous with his children and they would want for nothing…but what about the mother of his children? We haven’t moved in together yet, again he’s hinted but at the moment I am failing to see how it would work, I have cheap rent where I am at the moment, if he expected me to pay half of everything, I would have about £100 a month leftover to pay for things like haircuts, nights out, clothes etc. I would struggle. I would end up resenting him.

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HolgerDanske · 17/05/2015 19:22

Tbh the thing that worries me most is the public vs. private persona. Very bad news. It is exactly the sort of thing that leads to a woman being financially abused. For whatever reason he doesn't believe that the woman he loves (but maybe this an issue too - perhaps he doesn't actually love her) is worth the same generosity and respect that he affords to family. Only when they are in the presence of others does he deign to treat her well.

Bogeyface · 17/05/2015 19:23

I'd be interested to know how Scrooge McDuck would act if he started seeing a woman who had vastly more money than him. Or if say the OP won the lottery. Would he ease up on the stinginess, safe in the knowledge that she was never going to be after his money? Or would he get worse, wanting her to pay for more and more and doing a Silas Marner with his precious cash?

TandemFlux · 17/05/2015 19:36

Helena - no they are responsible for their own behaviour. They both have their own financial hang ups as far as I can see and neither is blameless.

ImperialBlether · 17/05/2015 19:37

Well actually there was a woman further upthread who said that her husband (before they married) was tight with her when she was a med student but once her parents died and she started work, presumably as a doctor, he was all nice and shary.

"When we met twelve years ago, he was like that. Paying for his cinema ticket, for his drink at Seattles Best, etc. He had a good job. I was a medical student so I did not really have a lot of money, but my dad gave me allowance so at times, I'd pay for both of us just to avoid being embarrassed when we, say, buy our own ticket etc. He was also very generous to his family - paying for everything, etc.

After a year though, I graduated from med school. My dad passed away suddenly. Then he started treating me to everything."

So when she needed help most, he didn't help, but when she earned a good salary, he didn't mind sharing. Hmmm.

TandemFlux · 17/05/2015 19:40

Helena - I've already said that he is taking advantage of OP's good nature.

HolgerDanske · 17/05/2015 19:42

Well, whatever we all think it's up to the OP how she chooses to deal with this. In the end she's the only one who can decide if this is a deal breaker for her.

One thing is certain - this is who he is and it's not going to change.

IrishDad79 · 17/05/2015 20:01

Well OP, you were with a bloke who lavished you with gifts and it wasn't good enough for you, that's how you end up with a bloke who rations how much bog roll you can use.

findingmyfeet12 · 17/05/2015 20:17

I'm still failing to see how a person who makes a comment about loo roll and counts pennies whilst simultaneously treating himself to a very expensive toy and spending large amounts of money on his family can be so perfect in every other way. These are the actions of an inconsiderate, insensitive individual.

I'm doubting the op's description of this man. I'm not saying she's lying but I wonder whether she may be in denial.

honeyroar · 17/05/2015 20:35

My friend was with this guy's twin for six years. He also used the excuse that he'd been used by someone lose, but it was embarrassing going out with them and watching him make her count every penny going halves when she was a hard up single mother and he was well off. We always wondered why the heck she was with him. She wasn't allowed to move in because he'd paid his house off. Finally she saw the light and left. He is still alone five years on.

QuintShhhhhh · 17/05/2015 20:41

Well, to be honest, his version of being stung financially could be a partner with IBS! Maybe she used even MORE bog roll than the OP! Confused

HelenaDove · 17/05/2015 21:37

Quint that is exactly the way my ex thought. PPs are right They DONT change.

HelenaDove · 17/05/2015 21:37

Excellent points Imperial.

Gralick · 17/05/2015 22:20

I thought the same as you about the medically-qualified PP, Imperial. Didn't want to say anything as she seems quite perky about her situation, but I hope she never needs to find out how generous he is if she loses her financial value for any reason.

Some posters (butterfly) are seeing what they want to see in OP's story, rather than what's there. Most of us have been through periods of extreme saving - mine was for my first London flat - but this is not what's being described. When you're saving up for something, you don't hand over large cheques to other folks' children and treat groups of people to restaurant dinners. Certainly not while depriving your girlfriend.

The best light one can cast on this is that he prioritises other things - hobby; family; friends - over OP. And doesn't mind humiliating her in order to make sure she doesn't cost him anything.

HelenaDove · 17/05/2015 22:27

He wants all the perks of a relationship and none of the compromise.

Gralick and Imperial i agree.

HelenaDove · 17/05/2015 22:32

The Good Life.......The Last Posh Frock.

knickernicker · 17/05/2015 22:34

Some people are like this. It's a kind of anxiety . They don't mean any harm but that said, I couldn't tolerate it, too loony. I say split. It won't end well.

AmelieinOz · 17/05/2015 23:03

Imperial and Gralick - I think I was quite clear with my post. When my dad passed away, I did not have any more allowance/any money - that's when he started taking care of me and paying for everything. Until now. In essence, he took over the role of my dad.

Please read the whole post because posting the first two paragraphs really distorts the whole story, if it were to be read by others.

I was a doctor, in-training and earning peanuts for many many years. Back home, it's more of prestige than money. He, on the other hand, was and is a top-earning professional. All 12 years of our relationship (and counting) it's either I earned 1/5th of his earning, or I earned nothing. It has never bothered him.

Right now, we moved overseas. I am not working. I am also not qualified to work here. It's a long story, and I have posted about it here in MM.

I know in our paranoid and materialistic society, it might be difficult to understand that some people can take care of their loved ones financially without feeling resentful about it. But that's my situation. I married a man who is talented enough to earn enough for us, and who has never required me to work. And yes, I am upbeat about it because I know I'm lucky.

OP - sorry for hijacking your thread.

Gralick · 17/05/2015 23:17

Thank you, Amelie. Rather than querying your situation, I was more bothered about the waters being very muddy on this thread. A lot of posters are making OP's story fit their own experience. She's already inclined to beautify his faults and - if she ever comes back - it's better if there are robust replies to all the 'but it could have a happy ending!' type comments.

Clearly there are loads of differences between you and CotswoldQueen, not least that you had a private income in your early years. Sorry I haven't seen your threads, and I hope things are OK in your new life.

AmelieinOz · 17/05/2015 23:31

No problem, Gralick. Just thought I'd clarify, because I felt it was unfair for my husband to be judged based on the first two paragraphs of my long post when he has been nothing but supportive and generous to me. And thank you - yes, we're ok and happy.

Anyway, to go back to CotswoldQueen's situation, just thought maybe the guy also just wants to be sure of her before really plunging.

I have a guy friend who was married for a few years, provided for everything, wife didn't want to and didn't work. My friend had a good job, an expat in an international bank. During their marriage, wife spent a lot of money in designer bags, etc. To be fair to the wife, going in, she told him that she's used to the good life ("I go to a hair salon where they serve champagne"; "I love Gucci bags", etc; he's kind of an idiot this way) but my friend was desperate to get married (he came from a society where you need to be married by 30, and he was 31 then). Anyway, the wife left him, and now he's incredibly paranoid about women using him for money. Maybe it's the same thing with this guy.

AmelieinOz · 17/05/2015 23:38

But you're right - OP, it is also probable the guy won't change. If you stay with him, just be sure it's because you've accepted this flaw of him rather than because you're hoping he'd change because he may not.

HelenaDove · 17/05/2015 23:40

Amelie Its not right that any future girlfriend of your guy friend should be made to pay the price either directly or indirectly for what his ex did.

And not being stingy over loo roll is plunging? Confused

AmelieinOz · 17/05/2015 23:51

HelenaDove - like I said, it's just a possibility. One of the many possibilities. I am not the guy so I can't say for sure what is happening. And I also mentioned that the loo roll is weird - it's extreme, and points to him being unreasonably stingy.

Anyway, yes, I agree - my guy friend can be an idiot sometimes. First, with the wife. Then now by being extremely paranoid about future girlfriends using his money like the wife did. Well actually that may be the reason he's never had a girlfriend since.

Gralick · 17/05/2015 23:57

You should give him OP's number Hmm Wink

AmelieinOz · 18/05/2015 00:00

Gralick - depends if OP likes Indian guys. ;)

CotswoldQueen · 18/05/2015 11:56

Okay,

Well, small update. Not sure whether he’s read this thread or something (cringe) but anyway, I went around on Friday eve with no dinner, but a 4 pack of toilet roll! Yes I know lol but I was feeling so peed off and thought right, stick that up your pipe and smoke it!

When I presented him with the toilet roll he looked at me like ‘WTF?!’ He started laughing, a bemused sort of laugh and said ‘What’s this?’ I said sarkily ‘Well, after your comment about loo roll the other day, I thought I’d better stump up, wouldn’t want you to think I wasn’t paying my way!’ He said ‘What comment about loo roll?’ I told him and he laughed and said he was only joking, that thanks but me providing toilet roll wasn’t necessary. At that point the doorbell went and it was his friend who was popping over to look at his motorbike so the conversation sort of ended.

Anyway, we were out Saturday evening and quite hungover yesterday when he said ‘I really fancy going to XXX (restaurant)’ I said ‘Well, I can’t really afford it.’ And he went ‘I’m paying obviously. Go and get ready and we’ll go.’ So we did!

SO, I haven’t had a proper talk with him yet, the weekend was manic and there just wasn’t time. We had a lovely weekend and I just didn’t want to spoil it by talking money. Obviously it will have to be done though and soon.

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