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I think I need to call off my wedding, and I'm absolutely petrified

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Runawaybride1 · 06/05/2015 12:07

I've realy hesitated to post this over the past few days but I need to get this down. Understandable name change. I've been engaged since the beginning of the year and we're due to be married in early September. We've only lived together since last summer and I have 2 dc, 7 & 9.

Before we moved in, dp lived in a hovel. I'm talking something you'd see on TV, it was that bad. I didn't know for a very long time, since with the dc it was easier for him to come to mine. When I found out I was appalled. I was upset for him, and absolutely raging tbh that he'd told me he'd tidied up and there were piles and piles of things so that the floor couldn't be seen, nowhere clean to sit down, and filth about two inches thick in every surface of the kitchen, as well as cupboards full of plates just left with food on to go mouldy. I was shocked, our friends had told me it was bad but I had no idea how bad. I asked him to clean it up, went back a few weeks later and nothing had changed. I spent a whole day scrubbing the kitchen and it still wasn't clean. It became a massive issue for me, even though it wasn't my house. He'd lived there by himself for close to a decade and even his parents didn't know how he was living. I bought him curtains for his bare windows, new crockery for his kitchen, but the curtains were never hung, and the crockery never used.

The time came last summer when my landlord was selling up so I had to move, and we agreed to move in together. This, I see now, was my big mistake. We'd been together two years at that point, and I thought we were ready to move in. The problem was, he still wouldn't see a problem with his flat. He left it right til the last day and brought literally everything with him, and left it in our new garage. He's insisted he'll sell it, it's mostly comics and computer games (he's nearly 40 btw...) Nearly a year later it's still here, and this stuff is beginning to migrate into the house.

We've been to lots of boot sales recently to pick up things for the wedding, and he'll buy stacks of games at each one saying they're for eBay. But they never get listed. I don't understand, truly, why he'd buy more stuff when our garage is rammed with things that need selling.

Last night it came to a horrible head, I asked if we could clear a shelf in the dining room which was loaded with games he'd just left. I started to help and he basically told me to get lost and he'd do it. He ended up throwing a glass award he got from work about 15 years ago into the bin with such force it smashed. I went upstairs, and goodness knows where he went but he went off in the car for a few hours. I went to bed and haven't heard a word since. I was up in the morning with the dc and he didn't say a word before work.

I get that hoarding is a real problem. He has lots of issues from his parents splitting up when he was about 13, and I think that's when his started. Somehow, this stuff makes him feel safe. But I am fed up of playing the nagging wife. We've both been selling on eBay to raise money for the wedding, but so far I've paid for absolutely everything, the church at £700 and everything for the reception so far too. I'm a sahm so this is starting to grate. I'm selling everything I don't use and he isn't stumping up anything. I'm starting to get resentful. I had a truly horrible night last night where I suddenly realised I don't want to do this anymore. I won't tiptoe around this issue, but nor will it ever be solved because I don't actually think he wants to change. He's totally blind to having a tidy house, but to me it's important. He never proved to me before we moved in together that he was capable of living normally, for want of a better word. I was about to end all this by saying ...'but I do love him' but now I'm here I'm not actually sure it's true :(

OP posts:
CheapSunglasses · 08/05/2015 09:23

Tuono, Assassin and La - amazing, moving posts.

So many parallels with my own experience of living with an alcoholic parent. The guilt, secrecy and shame resonate.

Anyway, to OP I say: this guy is a dud. Sorry, but he is. He'll drag you and your children down. Throw him back.

Waltermittythesequel · 08/05/2015 09:26

I feel a bit ill. I never get emotionally invested in threads but this has gotten to me.

Please, please cancel for at least a year. And get him moved out.

If not for you then for those children. They don't deserve to suffer the consequences of your decision because he said he'll go to a car boot sale.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 08/05/2015 09:34

You're going to marry him aren't you
Good luck

BisleyBoy · 08/05/2015 10:25

Mil is a hoarder. It's bad. I haven't been in her house for a year because I can't bear it. Dh is an only child and he still bears the scars of her hoarding. He's resentful that he could never have friends over and he had to live in squalor all his life until he moved out. He walked on egg shells because even if he broke a tiny insignificant thing (to most people) she would scream and shout at him. He got the idea that her junk was more important to her than he was. He still suffers self-esteem problems to this day because of that.
Hoarding s actually a type of OCD. In the same way that another person with the illness can't help seeing germs everywhere and washing their hands compulsively, a hoarder can't help their 'compulsion' to collect and hoard stuff. However, just because its an illness and he can't control it, doesn't mean he can't seek help. SSRI ADs are used in the treatment of hoarding as they are used in the treatment of OCD generally. Therapy is also strongly recommended. Even with all this help, hoarding is notoriously difficult to overcome and its up to you whether you want to stick around for the duration. But he has to want to get the help and take the steps to do it off his own back. Otherwise I think there's little hope. You have children to think about and the effect on them.
I think a visit to his gp would be a good first step.

TheAssassinsGuild · 08/05/2015 10:32

Hugs to all of us. Cheap - my mother was alcoholic too and addicted to prescription medication. Fucking nightmare, isn't it? Sad.

Posting here about my own experiences has been very hard for me too. It has also been difficult reading others' posts as it resonates so strongly. There is a lot of stuff I have got over, to a large extent, and with one hell of a lot of therapy and hard work. But this issue? It's always been the one I haven't had the courage to face properly. The one I am still, at the age of 43, too ashamed to admit to.

That said, yes it has been helpful (although very sad and distressing) to read that others have also had this in childhood, and through to adulthood. I am so very sorry for all of us - children, sisters, brothers, wives, husbands, in-laws, friends of hoarders.

I think I am also done here. It's going to drag me down and I doubt there is anything much I could add over and above what I have already said.

OP. We're just so worried for you - all of this is out of concern for you. XX

Tuono · 08/05/2015 10:47

I think I am also done here. It's going to drag me down and I doubt there is anything much I could add over and above what I have already said.

You helped me. Sometimes I need a reminder I am not alone. A freak. A weirdo. That I did not cause this. I only beleive it when I see other people and don't blame them for what happened to them, so cut myself some slack too.

BisleyBoy · 08/05/2015 10:56

Oh and according to dh, mil's hoarding started off in one area and then slowly started spreading to the rest of the house. After a few years, it colonised room after room. In the time I've known her, I've noticed it getting worse too.

TheAssassinsGuild · 08/05/2015 12:32

Xxxxx

expatinscotland · 08/05/2015 12:42

Poor kids.

expatinscotland · 08/05/2015 12:45

Cock before kids. You see it all the time here.

Runawaybride1 · 08/05/2015 12:52

Back off expat. My children don't need your pity. God forbid I should give my partner a chance to rectify anything.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 08/05/2015 12:57

I do believe in the possibility of change, and I do think that hoarders can change. I hope that your fiance is one of the ones who can and does change, Runawaybride - but I also hope that, if he can't change, or doesn't change within a reasonable time frame, you will put yourself and your children first, and leave him.

If there is progress, movement in the right direction, even if it is slow, then that is a good sign, and I wish you all well.

expatinscotland · 08/05/2015 13:04

He isn't rectifying anything with a couple of auctions and a boot sale. At first it was that his crap was confined to only the garage, now it's all over the dining room. Countless people have had to live with people like this. Because as children they had no choice, and spent time describing the fallout on them. But hey, this guy is more important.

So yeah, I feel very sorry for your kids. They have no say in this and this man and his crap are top priority.

iwishiwasasarah · 08/05/2015 13:29

I suggest that you stall on the wedding for four weeks and do not pay for anything else for those weeks. Check every Monday how much has gone and how much has come in. Suggest every Friday that a small area is cleared - make it very small and well defined.

I suspect that what happens in those four weeks will tell you how committed he is to clearing and how committed to hoarding.

NB - more places to put stuff equals more stuff. Don't get more storage unless it is necessary for your things.

Good luck

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 08/05/2015 13:33

I think that is very good advice, iwishiwasasarah. I do think that, getting married now, without having seen some real progress, would be a bad idea - in the worst case scenario, where nothing really changes apart from the hoard getting worse, it is far harder to undo a marriage than to call it off and break an engagement, even with the complications of living together.

Anniegetyourgun · 08/05/2015 13:43

I think she thinks she is doing it for the kids, because of the financial support and the stability of a relationship with someone they like. I don't imagine for one minute this guy will be capable of sustaining the clearing out - am willing to bet in a very few weeks he will be bringing home more from these boot sales/buying more off eBay than he ever sold, and spending more besides - but I can understand why she might be prepared to cling on to the hope that he will. I'd like to point out, though, that everyone on this thread, even the ones who are really sympathetic to the DP, has advised to postpone the wedding. Some have said run away and don't look back, others have said he may change with the right motivation, but nobody has said it's fine, go ahead with your current wedding plans. Nobody. There's a good reason for that.

Waltermittythesequel · 08/05/2015 14:04

God forbid I should give my partner a chance to rectify anything

So, are you leaving things as they are?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/05/2015 14:13

"God forbid I should give my partner a chance to rectify anything".

Ah that old chestnut, the chance to rectify things. You are really caught in the "sunken costs" fallacy. Do you honestly think that any "effort" now of his will be at all sustained?.

How many chances have you already given him, you forget that the damage has already been done here. You do not want to admit to yourself that this is not working out and that you have chosen really poorly.

Stormtreader · 08/05/2015 14:50

The poster/s who said its like alcoholism are spot on - until they admit they need help and decide they MUST change, no changes will be lasting. Stopping drinking for a weekend doesnt "prove" youre not alcoholic, and having a day of selling stuff doesnt prove youre not a hoarder.

The rage over the clearing of a shelf is the most worrying thing for me, thats a flash of the overly deep connection he has to being made to face doing anything with his stuff, he could have just moved it back into the garage, it didnt need to be a flashpoint.

FeijoaSundae · 08/05/2015 14:54

My children don't need your pity.

Yes they do. They are being led down a path here, and they have no say in this.

They have no idea what's in store for them. You do, thanks to some of the incredible people on this sharing their stories.

sleeponeday · 08/05/2015 14:56

You are failing your children in choosing to have a relationship with someone whose life is so out of control, he can't even keep his home moderately clean. Their childhoods with a stepfather like this will be hell.

You are choosing a man above your children. Do not expect many mothers to sympathise.

CheapSunglasses · 08/05/2015 16:03

DO NOT MARRY HIM.

Stay in a relationship with him if you want, but don't live with him.

Move you and your kids somewhere where you have complete control over the environment and where his hoarding can't affect you.

If he wants to live in squalor, let him. But I bet you'd rather lay down and die than see your kids grow up surrounded by filth and trash.

Waltermittythesequel · 08/05/2015 16:09

The problem, I think, is that it's not fifth and squalor yet so it's easy to think you overreacted or you're too much of a clean freak or he just needed enough nagging to get started...

But what if you're wrong?

What if it goes the way all these heart-wrenching stories on here have gone? What if in 20 years you're dc are left with the scars of a messed up childhood?

How will you feel knowing that you did that to them and that the fault all lies with you? Because it will he you. You who wouldn't heed the warning signs, who wouldn't be brave enough to walk away.

They deserve better but so do you. You don't want to live with that guilt. With that failure. And you don't have to.

CheapSunglasses · 08/05/2015 16:09

Also, at the beginning of this thread you said the idea of marrying him filled you with dread and you weren't even sure if you loved him.

Now you want to 'give him a chance'?

What's changed?

He puts some tat on eBay and suddenly your feelings for him are rekindled?

Do you just want the financial stability? Do you just want to be married?

The stakes are incredibly high here as Tuono and others have attested to.

Be really honest with yourself here about what your motives for staying with him are.

Personally I couldn't trust or depend on someone like him.

Do you really think you'll both be a supportive, loving team? Or will yours and your kids' lives just end up revolving around managing his hoarding?

Twinklestein · 08/05/2015 16:15

OP he's had a year of living with you to 'rectify' this problem, and two years with you prior to that. He may say he will try to address his issues to get you to marry him, but the truth is this problem is far too big for him to fix without substantial help and years of hard work. He may well not be up for that.

You're imposing a man with serious mental health problems on your children, that's really not fair in them.