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I think I need to call off my wedding, and I'm absolutely petrified

177 replies

Runawaybride1 · 06/05/2015 12:07

I've realy hesitated to post this over the past few days but I need to get this down. Understandable name change. I've been engaged since the beginning of the year and we're due to be married in early September. We've only lived together since last summer and I have 2 dc, 7 & 9.

Before we moved in, dp lived in a hovel. I'm talking something you'd see on TV, it was that bad. I didn't know for a very long time, since with the dc it was easier for him to come to mine. When I found out I was appalled. I was upset for him, and absolutely raging tbh that he'd told me he'd tidied up and there were piles and piles of things so that the floor couldn't be seen, nowhere clean to sit down, and filth about two inches thick in every surface of the kitchen, as well as cupboards full of plates just left with food on to go mouldy. I was shocked, our friends had told me it was bad but I had no idea how bad. I asked him to clean it up, went back a few weeks later and nothing had changed. I spent a whole day scrubbing the kitchen and it still wasn't clean. It became a massive issue for me, even though it wasn't my house. He'd lived there by himself for close to a decade and even his parents didn't know how he was living. I bought him curtains for his bare windows, new crockery for his kitchen, but the curtains were never hung, and the crockery never used.

The time came last summer when my landlord was selling up so I had to move, and we agreed to move in together. This, I see now, was my big mistake. We'd been together two years at that point, and I thought we were ready to move in. The problem was, he still wouldn't see a problem with his flat. He left it right til the last day and brought literally everything with him, and left it in our new garage. He's insisted he'll sell it, it's mostly comics and computer games (he's nearly 40 btw...) Nearly a year later it's still here, and this stuff is beginning to migrate into the house.

We've been to lots of boot sales recently to pick up things for the wedding, and he'll buy stacks of games at each one saying they're for eBay. But they never get listed. I don't understand, truly, why he'd buy more stuff when our garage is rammed with things that need selling.

Last night it came to a horrible head, I asked if we could clear a shelf in the dining room which was loaded with games he'd just left. I started to help and he basically told me to get lost and he'd do it. He ended up throwing a glass award he got from work about 15 years ago into the bin with such force it smashed. I went upstairs, and goodness knows where he went but he went off in the car for a few hours. I went to bed and haven't heard a word since. I was up in the morning with the dc and he didn't say a word before work.

I get that hoarding is a real problem. He has lots of issues from his parents splitting up when he was about 13, and I think that's when his started. Somehow, this stuff makes him feel safe. But I am fed up of playing the nagging wife. We've both been selling on eBay to raise money for the wedding, but so far I've paid for absolutely everything, the church at £700 and everything for the reception so far too. I'm a sahm so this is starting to grate. I'm selling everything I don't use and he isn't stumping up anything. I'm starting to get resentful. I had a truly horrible night last night where I suddenly realised I don't want to do this anymore. I won't tiptoe around this issue, but nor will it ever be solved because I don't actually think he wants to change. He's totally blind to having a tidy house, but to me it's important. He never proved to me before we moved in together that he was capable of living normally, for want of a better word. I was about to end all this by saying ...'but I do love him' but now I'm here I'm not actually sure it's true :(

OP posts:
ScrambledSmegs · 06/05/2015 14:51

But I've been imagining myself walking down the aisle and its full of dread

I think this is the most important point you need to focus on. You're dreading getting married to him. So don't marry him. For your sake, for your children's sake.

QuintShhhhhh · 06/05/2015 15:08

It took living together for you to realize you are not compatible. Simple really.

Variousrandomthings · 06/05/2015 15:20

Delay the wedding. Give him a deadline of 6 months and this book

www.amazon.co.uk/The-Life-Changing-Magic-Tidying-effective/dp/0091955106

He can change but he has to want to. It's very deep rooted.

Waltermittythesequel · 06/05/2015 15:34

Agree with a PP, too.

He's done jack shit, financially or otherwise about this wedding.

juneau · 06/05/2015 15:40

I don't think its very relevant that he's kind and generous and lovely to his friends. The question is: Can you live like this, with him? And the clear answer from what you've posted is no, you cannot. You feel dread at the idea of marrying him and your home has become a kind of battleground with him on the one side with all his filth and clutter, and you on the other wanting a clean, orderly home. This is not working and marrying him (which, btw, he doesn't exactly sound eager to do either given his lack in financial input into the wedding), is only going to make things more intractable and serve no purpose other than to entrap you further.

OP you know what you have to do - you knew it before you wrote your post this morning. Call the wedding off and I strongly suggest you make arrangements to live separately too. I suspect as a result of those actions the relationship may end, but it really doesn't sound as if this is the man for you. He needs help with this hoarding, but you cannot give it and he has to ask for it from an appropriate person.

seaoflove · 06/05/2015 15:57

Honestly OP, you know what you need to do.

The chances of the two of you (and of course your children) having a happy, harmonious life together, free of filth and clutter and junk, is zero.

Hoarders always get worse and they always get abusive when challenged. I've seen it in my ILs (in their 60s and 70s respectively) and the situation is fucking hopeless. MIL enables FIL for an easy life, but it's been a miserable downtrodden life.

Walk away.

Runawaybride1 · 06/05/2015 15:59

I only have about an hour before he gets back. I found a note I wrote to him just after we got engaged when I was already having doubts, and tbh nothing has changed. He said back then that he'd really try and that he was sorry. Seeing my thoughts from months ago in black and white has made it all the more clear that this can't go ahead. I have nowhere to go though. He could go stay with his mum, but I really really can't leave the house. And I kind of feel that as the one with the problem, it should be me that leaves.

OP posts:
BitOfFun · 06/05/2015 16:02

Er, no. He's got the problem. And you've got children.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/05/2015 16:05

You have children who need a home - that makes it right and fair that you should stay in the house, until you can organise somewhere else to go.

And it isn't actually you who has the problem - it is him. It is his behaviour that has destroyed your love for him. Your feelings are a direct response to his hoarding - and your feelings are entirely reasonable - you have to believe that.

Jan45 · 06/05/2015 16:06

We've both been selling on eBay to raise money for the wedding, but so far I've paid for absolutely everything, the church at £700 and everything for the reception so far too. I'm a sahm so this is starting to grate. I'm selling everything I don't use and he isn't stumping up anything

Feck that, you are using money you could be spending on your child and he's spending his on shite basically - and doesn't see a problem - I think he is taking you for a massive fool OP, the guy has no shame, or morals.

Waltermittythesequel · 06/05/2015 16:12

Eh you're NOT the one with the problem.

Get to the council tomorrow about housing.

You know what is best for you and for your dc.

Stripyhoglets · 06/05/2015 16:28

This type of squalor and hoarding is very difficult to deal with. I am aware of this through my work. You cannot help him on your own. If he lived as he did it is a massive problem. I would leave as I don't think you want to subject your children to how bad it could get.

Coyoacan · 06/05/2015 18:03

Sounds awful to live with, OP, but does every relationship have to end in people living together and getting married?

Would it be feasible to go back to each in their own place and him going to yours, as you were before?

IPokeBadgers · 06/05/2015 18:25

OP

I am so sorry you are in this position. It is very sad. But take it from someone who knows: I had that dread about walking up the aisle, I ignored it and went through with it. The wedding day was very nice, but the "marriage" was over before it started and we separated after thirteen months, and there was a lot of misery in there! Not to mention the money spent on the wedding and subsequent divorce....thousands of pounds. Ultimately we just were not compatible, and I think that is the situation here. It doesn't make either of you bad people.

Take the hoarding out of the equation for a minute: this relationship you are in is not good for your mental health. It is actively damaging your happiness. Please find it in yourself to walk away and remove yourself and your children from this damaging situation.

Look after yourself.

Thenapoleonofcrime · 06/05/2015 18:50

In some ways, the hoarding isn't really the issue, or at least it isn't the most important thing- you don't want to get married, you are dreading walking down the aisle, he's done nothing to assist the wedding and you know you need to call it off. Why isn't really the issue here.

You just shouldn't get married if you don't want to, full stop. You absolutely need to go back to you and the children for the time being (as someone else said, there's nothing stopping you continuing to see him but living in separate houses although I don't think that will be the outcome).

DinosaursRoar · 06/05/2015 18:52

Cancel the wedding first. Can you bare to share a house with him until you can sort something else out? Do you have any savings towards a deposit? (you might be able to get some of the money back from the things you cancel)

NorahDentressangle · 06/05/2015 19:00

Surely he can move out whilst he receives treatment then it's not a final thing, it gives you both a chance to see how you really feel and whether he can be helped.
Cancel the wedding.

Joysmum · 06/05/2015 19:07

A hoarder and someone with OCD tendencies was never going to be the best of matches.

I hope you have the strength to do what you know needs to be done Flowers

DoItTooJulia · 06/05/2015 19:32

Start saving for your future with the wedding money.

Postpone the wedding. If he can clear out the garage and match your savings in say 6 months, think about booking a wedding.

If not, be glad of your savings and get out!

You need to talk to him. If he's not putting any money in the wedding pot, maybe he doesn't want to get married either?

Horsemad · 06/05/2015 19:57

I know hoarding is a mental illness and that PP have mentioned it often starts in adolescence, but what actually causes it?

My DH is a hoarder, OP I empathise fully with your description of his behaviour; DH has reacted exactly the same in similar situations. It's no joke, it's bloody hard work living with this kind of person and if I was starting again with my DC and setting up home with a new partner who hoarded, I just wouldn't do it, especially if he was not the DC's father.

Waltermittythesequel · 06/05/2015 19:57

Did anyone read where OP said she doesn't even think she loves him anymore?

You don't need any reason other than that to leave someone.

Meerka · 06/05/2015 20:54

I thought the same as walter.

If she isn't sure she loves him then don't marry!!! That on its own is enough.

And please stop blaming yourself just because you have OCD issues. It's irrelevant really because the way you describe his house is a health hazard - objectively. He's promised to change and he hasn't. He's not pulled his weight with the wedding.

Good luck this must be very hard, but it really does sound like unless he is willing to make real changes and keep them going, you aren't compatible ... And most of all, your kids cannot healthily live in a hoarder's tip.

Justusemyname · 06/05/2015 21:30

Don't marry him. You will have to find a place you can afford yourself but no way can you marry him.

cairnsmore608 · 06/05/2015 22:42

I had doubts, real doubts prior to getting married ....

Nearly 14 years later and 3 kids, I wished I had taken the step to cancel the wedding.

Don't get me wrong, I love my husband, but the things I had doubts about have never changed - I have learned to live with them or leave ....

Just my opinion ....

Tuono · 06/05/2015 22:42

I have a hoarder parent.

The hangover some days can be profound. Doorbell dread, shame... these are things that as a youngster you can absorb. They can eat away at your self esteem. They can erode your sense of self and your place in the pecking order of importance. As in do, or don't you count more than the teetering pile of Family Circle on the stairs that threatens to break your neck everytime you go up to the last working loo?

Last working loo becuase things break. But if fixing gets postponed until the house is less shameful, or the loo can actually be reached by a fixer...well things can stay broken. Rotting quietly under a fug of air freshner, regularly applied, never quite as effective as you kid yourself it is. And the more stuff breaks and stays broken, the more the squalor spreads.

The hoard is very good at taking over as it oozes and slides its way past doors, into beds, covering surfaces and making heaps ... like some kind of slow motion tsunami. And as an adult escapee the oozey nature of it can leave you fearing stuff, just benign stuff, your whole damn adult life. Throwing away perfectly good things you aren't using it Right Now in case it breeds, or mice take up residence in it.

You have a choice. Your children don't. They depend on your decsion making. Inviting a hoarder into their lives, their home, is not making a priority of their needs over other people's wants.

I haven't touched on what it is like to live with the manipulation, explosions and rages of some hoarders. I can talk about the hoard now. But I can't touch the sides of the emotional fall out. In their desperation to preserve the hoard gloves can come off, lines in the sand can get crossed, deep scars can be left on young minds who do not have the skills to cope, but hear loud and clear that through the anger and veiled blaming that ....in some way the hoard is their fault. For not having not done something like help with the housework enough. Or for having done something that renders the hoarder unable to release the hoard. Like accidentally broken something they couldn't see becuase during the hoarder's last churn it got buried and then got stood on. Kids get blamed a lot because it works in most cultural contexts. Messy kids. Don't help. Look at the result !

I hate this. I hate talking about it, remembering it, dealing with the weeks of flashbacks writing this will provoke. Normally it lives in a little tightly sealed box, shoved deep down and furiously ignored on purpose. But you can't know what you don't know. And you and your kids need for you to know what it can be like.

Run.

Run for your children's healthy minds.

Because you owe them not to gamble on the hope that he is curable/managable (unlikely) , and you have zero guarentee that your children's resilience is set at level "Utterly Impervious" (unlikely).

Run becuase there is a very good chance that you won't be able to control the degree of squalor into which you as a family can sink. Don't under estimate a hoarder's determination to bring in more stuff. Don't over estimate your own ability to resist being ground down... until you feel nothing but helplessness, while everybody looks askance at you for "letting it happen".

People blame children (via "why didn't you DO something ?" ) for parents' hoards all the time. They aren't going to give you a free pass as a spouse. It's a double whammy. Spend so much energy and waking time focused on holding back the tide... and then get blamed for the seepage coming from all the nooks and crannies of the anti-hoard sandbags you spend your life hauling, shunting and stacking.

Love is not enough. I loved my mother. It was no protection, no vaccination... all the love in the world could not disappear the reality that when push came to shove, we were less important than a stray sewing needle jammed deep in my foot, a mouse dropping decorated recipe ripped from a magazine in 1973 and numerous "valuables" that she was going to make her fortune with at car boots sales one day !

Because everything in the hoard is valuable (sentiment or cash).

Everything ! ......except the people standing bewildered and knackered, in piles of allegedly priceless/deeply sentimental stuff, that looks suspiciously like dusty, dirty, mouldy ... crap.

You have a chance not to risk that for your children.

Don't blow it.

And ... It is a whirly mind fuck. It can leave you winded, confused, with a sense that this is somehow mostly your fault for not having handled it right.

That is bollocks.

This has jack to do with you.

You never stood a chance against the hoard, the causes of the hoard and the continued impulse to hoard.

You do however have full control over your feet.

Run.