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I think I need to call off my wedding, and I'm absolutely petrified

177 replies

Runawaybride1 · 06/05/2015 12:07

I've realy hesitated to post this over the past few days but I need to get this down. Understandable name change. I've been engaged since the beginning of the year and we're due to be married in early September. We've only lived together since last summer and I have 2 dc, 7 & 9.

Before we moved in, dp lived in a hovel. I'm talking something you'd see on TV, it was that bad. I didn't know for a very long time, since with the dc it was easier for him to come to mine. When I found out I was appalled. I was upset for him, and absolutely raging tbh that he'd told me he'd tidied up and there were piles and piles of things so that the floor couldn't be seen, nowhere clean to sit down, and filth about two inches thick in every surface of the kitchen, as well as cupboards full of plates just left with food on to go mouldy. I was shocked, our friends had told me it was bad but I had no idea how bad. I asked him to clean it up, went back a few weeks later and nothing had changed. I spent a whole day scrubbing the kitchen and it still wasn't clean. It became a massive issue for me, even though it wasn't my house. He'd lived there by himself for close to a decade and even his parents didn't know how he was living. I bought him curtains for his bare windows, new crockery for his kitchen, but the curtains were never hung, and the crockery never used.

The time came last summer when my landlord was selling up so I had to move, and we agreed to move in together. This, I see now, was my big mistake. We'd been together two years at that point, and I thought we were ready to move in. The problem was, he still wouldn't see a problem with his flat. He left it right til the last day and brought literally everything with him, and left it in our new garage. He's insisted he'll sell it, it's mostly comics and computer games (he's nearly 40 btw...) Nearly a year later it's still here, and this stuff is beginning to migrate into the house.

We've been to lots of boot sales recently to pick up things for the wedding, and he'll buy stacks of games at each one saying they're for eBay. But they never get listed. I don't understand, truly, why he'd buy more stuff when our garage is rammed with things that need selling.

Last night it came to a horrible head, I asked if we could clear a shelf in the dining room which was loaded with games he'd just left. I started to help and he basically told me to get lost and he'd do it. He ended up throwing a glass award he got from work about 15 years ago into the bin with such force it smashed. I went upstairs, and goodness knows where he went but he went off in the car for a few hours. I went to bed and haven't heard a word since. I was up in the morning with the dc and he didn't say a word before work.

I get that hoarding is a real problem. He has lots of issues from his parents splitting up when he was about 13, and I think that's when his started. Somehow, this stuff makes him feel safe. But I am fed up of playing the nagging wife. We've both been selling on eBay to raise money for the wedding, but so far I've paid for absolutely everything, the church at £700 and everything for the reception so far too. I'm a sahm so this is starting to grate. I'm selling everything I don't use and he isn't stumping up anything. I'm starting to get resentful. I had a truly horrible night last night where I suddenly realised I don't want to do this anymore. I won't tiptoe around this issue, but nor will it ever be solved because I don't actually think he wants to change. He's totally blind to having a tidy house, but to me it's important. He never proved to me before we moved in together that he was capable of living normally, for want of a better word. I was about to end all this by saying ...'but I do love him' but now I'm here I'm not actually sure it's true :(

OP posts:
CheersMedea · 06/05/2015 12:32

The options are:

  1. leave.
  2. get him psychiatric help (but this will only work if he wants to play ball)
  3. marry him and carry on as you are into the pit of hell dying a slow death.

Personally, I too would vote for leaving him because you have no reason to stay - by which I mean, it would be different if he was the father of your children, or there were other complex reasons for not leaving (eg. Beckham style combined business interests).

There is no reason for you to stay with him and he sounds vile. Hoarding is one thing; filth is something else. Equally violently throwing stuff around is a bad indicator of future prospects.

Try watching some of these type programmes (there are loads about hoarders - this one is about utilising obsessive cleaners to help out hoarders

www.channel4.com/programmes/obsessive-compulsive-cleaners )

to see what your future holds. It won't get better.

ouryve · 06/05/2015 12:33

He threw that glass award hard merely in response to being asked to clear some space on a shelf for the OP. How the hell would he react in the face of big stuff?

My ex was violent towards things. I'm the one who had to patch the holes in the walls, replace broken light switches etc. Calling me a bitch because he couldn't find a CD in amongst all his shite, so I must have hidden it was the last straw. I no longer felt safe.

juliascurr · 06/05/2015 12:34

counselling?
but do not just wander into it - that way nothing will change
you must lay down ultimatum - change or end it

Timeandtune · 06/05/2015 12:35

life-pod.co.uk/who-we-are/

HetzelNatur · 06/05/2015 12:35

Listen to your instinct. The Gift of Fear springs to mind. Your brain is telling you to get out while you can; this is Ok, and reasonable, and you must act on it.

Everyone would understand just as we do on here.

Timeandtune · 06/05/2015 12:36

Sorry pressed post too soon. Might be worth taking a look at the Life Pod website- a social enterprise which provides help and info on hoarding.

however · 06/05/2015 12:38

Oh, and if he had cancer? A big stinking tumour growing out of his skin? That he'd hidden from me?

Yeah, if he ignored it...said he'd see someone about it, and didn't... said he'd sort it out, and didn't.

Would I stay and watch the inevitable end? No.

TheAssassinsGuild · 06/05/2015 12:38

You cannot fix this. Hoarding is very very hard to get over. He will choose the hoard over you and the DC.

It's harsh, but leave. As much as anything, do not do this to your DC - the hoard will encroach on their lives physically (they will have to give up space to accommodate it), psychologically, and socially (they may end up feeling shame and unable to have friends round).

Listen to your gut. Leave.

TheAssassinsGuild · 06/05/2015 12:39

He's already shown you his behaviour when the hoard is challenged - lies, denial, increasing the hoard, refusal to discuss, and now a violent reaction.

None of this is good now, and it will only get worse.

Shakey1500 · 06/05/2015 12:41

He's clearly not stable, needs help and for that he has my sympathy. But you also have your own life/future to consider alongside your two children. You and they must be your priority.

I would cancel the wedding and probably consider ending or at least putting the relationship on the back burner whilst trying to remain a friend/support. If that's something you could both handle.

Will his family support him? Has he been to GP or has it been suggested before etc?

The problems he's may not be an easy fix but it's not impossible. But on balance, if it were me, I'd at least cancel. Good luck.

Bakeoffcake · 06/05/2015 12:45

You need to talk tonight.

You must make clear that you can't live with the hoarding anymore. Tell him if he doesn't want to change, that is fine, but your relationship will end.

I don't think you should be considering marriage at this stage.

expatinscotland · 06/05/2015 12:47

Do not marry this man. You have children in this and it's not healthy for them to live with someone like this.

Please listen to Bunny.

He is ill, but he doesn't recognise that he is much less get help.

I'd rather live in a refuge with my kids than with a man like this.

He will always be this way. His stuff is the most important thing in his life.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/05/2015 12:50

I do think that hoarding is a symptom of mental illness, and needs to be treated. But at the same time, I think it would be very unwise for the OP to enter into a marriage with this man, at this point in time.

My advice would be to postpone the wedding, and to have a serious talk with him - explain how you are feeling, your doubts about the wedding, your concerns about the impact of the hoarding on your family in the future, and your concerns about your fiance's mental health - and ask him to seek help.

If he agrees to seek help, I would further suggest that you ask him to commit to buying no more stuff, until he has had therapy for this issue.

If he's not willing to commit to therapy or to agree to a temporary moratorium on buying more stuff, even if that's what is necessary to salvage the relationship, then I would say the writing is on the wall, and you should cut your losses and leave.

Anniegetyourgun · 06/05/2015 12:50

I understand that him throwing an ornament into the bin is by no means the same as attacking a family member, and maybe he never would. But just think of the depth of upset that the guy felt in order to hurl something he presumably treasured with that level of force. This is over clearing up a bunch of games he doesn't even play. He got that upset about it. This is someone who isn't only unwell. He really is wedded to the stuff, incapable (in my admittedly non-expert opinion) of putting even a wife and children above his deep-seated need to have stuff. It's not negotiable, it's not fixable without some serious and likely long-term therapy.

Look, OP, I'd say as an absolute priority, stop with the wedding plans and get any refunds you can. I agree with those advising you make it a condition of a future together that he gets help with his addiction (which is what it is, and like most addictions it has the potential to ruin the lives of everyone around him). If he does, and it helps, then is the time to reconsider whether marrying is advisable. You imply he's a pretty good partner except for this massive elephant cluttering up the room and all the other rooms, and the garage . But frankly as things are he's a lousy housemate.

Disastronaut · 06/05/2015 12:50

I think you should cancel the wedding now. You said you feel dread when you imagine walking down the aisle - that's just no good. You need to get off the conveyor belt now.

Then I suggest telling him why you've cancelled and that if he doesn't get help immediately the relationship is over. I agree that he has a mental health problem and if he genuinely attempts to overcome it then he deserves support, but if not, get out, sharpish.

lovesmycake · 06/05/2015 12:50

Hoarding is an illness. In my experience things can change but it takes a long time for very little progress (think years for a couple of clear rooms) and we had to be quite tough and deliver an ultimatum to instigate the change.

Yes his reaction to clearing a shelf is extreme in normal circumstances but a hoarders reaction to being asked to clear stuff is not rational. I don't think it indicates he is violent but it does show that his hoarding is a serious problem.

I would say you do need to cancel the wedding and what you want to do afterwards with your relationship, would depend on how much you love him how much he is willing to change and how much you are willing to sacrfice/ put up with to help him manage his illness.

Runawaybride1 · 06/05/2015 12:51

Sorry lots of replies. I have suggested getting proper help but he's very reluctant. I'm not unsympathetic to mental health problems, I myself had a very low period of anxiety and depression after my dp walked out on me and the dc, I didn't open my mail for a year, I kept it in a bag under he bed Blush but crucially, I saw I needed help and went out and got it. It was far from easy but I did it. I could have wallowed and got worse but I didn't.
Just to clarify, he's not violent. Really really not at all. He threw the award into the outside bin when I'd already left the room, and I imagine it was in frustration at himself more than anything. I know I need to cancel the wedding :(

OP posts:
Waltermittythesequel · 06/05/2015 12:52

You feel dread at the idea of marrying him and you don't think you love him anymore.

Please don't go through with this. If only to spare your dc the emotional upheaval.

They shouldn't have to live in that environment and nor should you.

Yes, he's unwell. But you aren't married and you perhaps don't love him.

You're not his saviour and you shouldn't try to be.

Encourage him to get help. Even be his friend. But don't stay with him.

expatinscotland · 06/05/2015 12:53

'Would you be giving the same advice if op's partner had other mental health problems?'

Yes, if there were a) her children involved b) the person didn't want to recognise it much less get help. Same as those with any other addiction issues.

He is an adult. It's no one's job to help him, he has to take responsibility for that.

The OP said she has had conversations with him, given him loads of chances, a chat is not going to work.

HetzelNatur · 06/05/2015 12:53

It's a good thing that you have realised you're not feeling the love, now rather than later.

It's Ok to go off someone - often we don't know why immediately, it just presents as a general dread sensation as you are having.

But then later we work out why we felt that way and that it was the correct course of action, to get out of the situation.

Trust yourself. You're not horrible doing this. You're doing the right thing.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/05/2015 12:53

Runaway - I would suggest postponing it, and giving him one last chance - to get therapy and to stop buying more stuff, as I suggested up thread.

If he won't do that, then I am sorry, but I think you are right, and the relationship is doomed.

DownWithThisTypeOfThing · 06/05/2015 12:54

MsMittens
I have to say I think a lot of the replies on here are pretty harsh. Your DP has mental health issues like depression/anxiety. Hoarding is a symptom of this. If OPs other half had cancer would you suggest LTB?!

I feel sorry for him, but it seems he doesn't recognise there's a problem and therefore won't be getting treatment. The OP's first responsibility is to her children. They can't live like this.

expatinscotland · 06/05/2015 12:54

You must cancel this and see your council about housing after relationship breakdown.

This person does not recognise he is a hoarder, he likes it, he will never get help and never change.

You need to put yourself and your kids first.

FenellaFellorick · 06/05/2015 12:55

I think you really should listen to that voice. It is yelling out for a reason!

There's no point doing the 20/20 hindsight, you are where you are but there is no reason at all to condemn yourself to a lifetime of this.

He doesn't want to change. You marry him - you live like this.

TheAssassinsGuild · 06/05/2015 12:55

I was the only child of hoarders (mother now dead, father still hoards) who also lived in squalor. It was hell. As I grew older and the realisation that my home life was not like that of others, the shame was overwhelming and I would go to any lengths to keep it a secret from my school friends, to the extent of terminating friendships if I felt they were getting too close to the truth, or if cancelling them coming over yet again was starting to no longer be an option. Challenging the hoard, or the dirt, would only result in screaming arguments. There was nothing I could do. I remember as a five year old finding out that my mother as the witch and kids would dare each other to walk past my house. It was crushing. OK, fine, kids can and will be cruel and thoughtless, but if my parents had got their fucking shit together instead of forcing me into confronting it and dealing with it, it wouldn't have happened.

Living with my parents, with their mental health problems that went along with the hoarding, and with the physical presence of the hoard and the squalor effected me very badly as a child and teenager, and has undoubtedly had a negative impact on my adult life. I have worked hard to overcome it, and have to a large degree succeeded.

Please, do not do this to your kids. I am so so sorry you are in this situation. It's bloody awful.

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