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3rd letter from my in laws!!!! omfg!!!

372 replies

inmyshoos · 01/05/2015 14:59

For anyone who might remember my previous posts from my fil I wanted to share the 3rd which arrived today!!! I think i might explode if i dont share it with someone!!

Dear shoos and dhofshoos,
I wrote to you on 10/2/2015 asking you to detail what you consider the problems are between the four of us; and again on the 25/3/2015 asking you both if you wished to be involved in a number of family events that will be happening this year, and also asking you to consider allowing the dc to be included in these family occasions. To date i have received no reply.
Therefore not having received the courtesy of replies to my letters, I can only assume that you both wish to sever all ties with us.
However our door will remain open, but, remember, the longer the door remains open the colder the house becomes.
There are no winners in this situation, only losers. There are losses in the short term and lisses in the long term.
I hope this finds you both well and that your futures are secure.
Regards fil/dad
P.s we will be passing through your area on return from a holiday on the 20th may if you would like to meet us for something to eat?
Pps Give the dc our love.

OMG please someone hit me with a stick! I don't know if i want to laugh or cry!!!

OP posts:
Joysmum · 02/05/2015 11:30

It's only people who question your intelligence and have no respect for your ability to make a considered judgement that will not people who decide to go NC.

Funny how those who don't know you, r those in involved, and haven't lived in your shoes think they know best Hmm

Support your DH in whatever he thinks is best because it takes far greater pain to cut out a relative, especially parents, than it does to drop friends.

Hissy · 02/05/2015 11:33

mintyy please just stop? You don't support the op, you have nothing constructive to say and are picking at everything anyone with experience of matters like this have to say. Your question to me about relevance just illuminates how out of your area of competence you are here.

It's good that you don't have the first clue about such things. Seriously. Please don't attach your experience or lack of it to those with direct and real experience of what is a horrific and painful situation.

This is a situation where whatever you do, you can't win.

Send a letter in reply? They won't hear anything that's said about their actions being hurtful. Furthermore it feeds the narcissistic need to drag the victims back in, opening a can of worms that can't be resealed. The letter can also be used as 'proof' of how awful op and her dh are. "SEE? After all we've done for them..." And on goes the drama, dragging other winged monkeys in to the mess that they are thriving off. One reply can encourage more nasty letters. Those letters are designed to invade the op and dh life. The first - I think - was sent 'signed for'. That in itself is against the very nature of an olive branch.

Or no reply? With this situation it's a case of refusing to get dragged in, no matter what's hurled. It's VERY hard to remain disengaged because these people know exactly what buttons to press. If those buttons don't work, they'll press more.

If any one of us had a falling out with our children, we'd move heaven and earth to find out why, we'd apologise first and ask what it is we'd done.

There has been none of this. Even in isolation, these 3 letters have not once apologised or made any offer of conciliation that hasn't been a veiled threat of an alternative scenario happening if they don't 'come to heel' and fast.

The mil here told the op that there would be no contact. And no contact it is. The relief of the dh is so significant here. Please all see this?

Imagine what you would have to endure to finally arrive at that sentiment with people you have known your whole life?

Step back and empathise what it would take for you to HAVE TO take that decision.

If you really genuinely can't, then please perhaps admit defeat on a subject rather than force your blessed lack of experience upon someone who is in such an awful situation and can do no more other than to go Nc for their own sanity/safety/wellbeing.

we might not like the decisions of other adults, but we can't change them. We can only make decisions for ourselves as individuals. That applies to both sides here.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 02/05/2015 11:45

Agree Hissy Shoos went to bed last night feeling tearful. Has that helped at all?

Joysmum · 02/05/2015 11:55

You can't teadon with the unreasonable, be that the people we have to go NC with or those who don't have a clue and think they know best about the situation. Either way, life's too short to waste your energy.

namechange0dq8 · 02/05/2015 12:43

It seems to be conveniently forgotten by those keen to encourage concern for the poor misunderstood mother-in-law that (a) it was she that wanted to break contact and (b) her son is perfectly happy with that.

The OP may be over-thinking matters, but she cannot possibly be painted as an active participant: MIL wants to break contact, MIL's son is perfectly happy with that. Whose problem is this other than the mother-in-law's?

Mind you, the OP's aspartame thing was unhinged.

MirandaGoshawk · 02/05/2015 13:01

So MIL wants to break contact but she kept on phoning, asking to be called back? It seems to me that MIL was hasty and wants to save face by not confessing to her DH that she made a mistake. FIL is trying to rectify the situation in the only way he knows how - writing emotionless letters (some men are like that - I get 'Have a good day' in my Valentine's cards Hmm but doesn't mean he doesn't love me).

It seems an awful shame. They aren't perfect but they obviously want to be in contact. You are being impolite and assuming the moral high ground by ignoring their letters. Why not agree to meet for the meal and see how it goes? Small steps on both sides are required so you can meet in the middle.

MirandaGoshawk · 02/05/2015 13:06

But what do I know? Nothing Smile

Lweji · 02/05/2015 13:27

I think you do need to read the OP's posts.

Her DH considered his own dad a wanker.

And if MIL and FIL want so save face without offering proper apologies, then, well, it's their problem.

CoffeeBeanie · 02/05/2015 14:36

OP, respect and support your DH in his decision.

Counselling for him seems a really good idea. It seems there are a lot of skeletons in the cupboard from his childhood.

I wouldn't reply and I would be out on the day PIL are in the area. You don't need to engage with a letter threatening consequences if you don't do as you're told.

I'm very low contact to my mother due to the fact she was very abusive in my childhood and due to the fact I couldn't stand the obvious favouritism with DB's (golden child's) DD. I have a DD of the same age and the treatment of her was appalling. We just reduced contact before DD knew what was happening. We live abroad so it was easy.

My older dc see right through her now, they are teenagers. I will not have a child of mine treated the way I was treated as a child, it did a lot of harm.

You are right, the happiness of your little family unit is more important than anything.

Stitchintime1 · 02/05/2015 15:18

Some people do go nc easily. My sister is always not speaking to one family member or another. I've no idea about the op's situation, but some people are difficult and easily offended.

Maryz · 02/05/2015 15:30

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SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 02/05/2015 15:39

I've no idea about the op's situation

Best to not post irrelevant stuff then.

Lweji · 02/05/2015 15:50

Maryz, I actually find the letter somewhat threatening.
And not particularly warm, even regarding the children. They don't ask for news or anything. Or ask specifically if they could meet the children.

inmyshoos · 02/05/2015 15:52

I am not posting for everyone to have a laugh. I am asking for advice. Asking can anyone see an olive branch, am i getting the tone wrong. If peoole want to laugh at my very difficult and upsetting situation I think it says more about them than about me.

With regards to the 'aspartame' thing. I didn't refuse the drink, ds said he couldn't have it as it contains aspartame. I am fine with you giving YOUR dc whatever you want, why should i feel bad about making decisions about what my dc eat/drink. Fwiw I would have allowed them to have it and said nothing because i wouldnt want to make a fuss. But I also think it strange that someone would think it 'very rude' to refuse a drink and not being able to refuse something for fear of offending someone is not something I want to instil in my dc. One can always politely decline.

maryz my inlaws are not that bothered about seeing my dc. This is all about control. A quick example. We live 4 hrs from them. We were visiting my cousin nearby and dh offered to visit them with our dc and my cousins dd(4). First we were told ok stay for lunch. Then a text saying actually theyd prefer 'just family', so not my cousin's dd. Dh had already explained he had all the children in his care as I was at an event with my cousin. They texted dh saying 'we don't really know 'cousins4yroldDD' so we will just see you next time you are in the area'. Is this normal behaviour? I don't believe it is and I think a grandparent who is keen to see their gc would not behave like this. Fwiw my dc were most confused that day.

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Phoenix0x0 · 02/05/2015 16:09

OP you are a lovely wife who is supporting her DH, when he asked to go NC.

By not answering this letter, you are not opening up dialogue with them.

As I previously said, it's not what has been said its what's not been said that speaks volumes we love you, let's sort this out, we miss you.

Everyone has a right to an opinion but why are some of the posts bordering on being nasty and antagonistic?

flippinada · 02/05/2015 16:18

shoos please don't feel you have to to justify yourself to people who just can't or won't try to understand.

It's clear that you're not posting to make fun of your in-laws and I'm not sure why anyone would say that you are.

StaceyAndTracey · 02/05/2015 16:28

No , refusing to give lunch to or even see their own grandchildren because they were accompanied by their 4 yo cousin is not normal . Really it's not .

Especially if they live 4 hours drive away

Stitchintime1 · 02/05/2015 16:31

You ask if anyone can see an olive branch. I can. I can also see a chilly message and, once it was pointed out, I saw threats of disinheritance. Overall, I think it's for your husband to deal with.

Maryz · 02/05/2015 16:34

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SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 02/05/2015 16:38

Definitely not normal, shoos, the cousin thing.

And everyone has their "thing." My friend won't allow her children to have anything with E numbers in. My SIL has never let her children have so much as a drop of pop. I am funny about sugar because my DS is crazy if he has too much. You don't need to justify it here.

The point is, your own family shouldn't mock you for those decisions, unless they have 0 respect for you.

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 02/05/2015 16:49

Your opinion, or Mintyy's, Maryz?

Posting the letters here, in MY opinion, does no such thing. The tone wouldn't come across otherwise. The OP has never said they are interested in any inheritance. But it's obvious the FIL wants them to be warned.

Maryz · 02/05/2015 16:52

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MillyMollyMandy78 · 02/05/2015 16:56

Wow, some of the replies on here border on bullying towards the OP. Lucky for you that many of you have no direct experience of parents/ grandparents who treat their families so unkindly... Not all parents are loving, supportive or even nice to those they brought into the world. These views against NC are reflected in mainstream society and is part of the reason many abused find it so hard to talk about NC. Please stop projecting your own feelings onto the situation. How about some empathy towards the OP and her DH? NC is incredibly difficult, even when you fully believe it is your only choice in a situation where abuse has occurred, often over decades.

All those who are busy attacking the OP and others such as Atilla and Hissy, are actually adding to the problem. Those of you who are lucky enough to come from normal, loving families - do you really think that you have the right to attack the motives of those that have been abused who have finally had enough?

And as for those who are questioning the motives of the OP posting all the letters on here, maybe she is just someone who is strugging with a very difficult situation looking for support from those who understand. The OP and her DH will be struggling with issues from NC/ the abuse they suffered for years to come, and they have every right to some support.

Maryz · 02/05/2015 17:02

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SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 02/05/2015 17:03

Tone doesn't come across in type?

Novels must be very boring to those who think this.

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