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gutted1 · 11/04/2015 01:18

hi, Ive just stumbled across this site as I'm frantically searching for answers.
A bit of background - my husband and I have been togeteher for close to 20 years and married for 4 of these. We have 2 children, 1 together and 1 from my previous relationship. We are both 38.

Over the years I have always had an uneasy feeling that my husband hasnt always been true to me. He works for a large organisation in the city which often involves entertaining evenings and often trips away - dubai, las vegas, san francisco, amsterdam to name just a few. I never accomapny him on these trips.

About 6 years ago I came across a bank statement which showed he had spent just under £1000 in a lap dancing club. I was gutted. I did confront him and immediately got berated for 'looking through his stuff'. He said he was drunk and nothing had happened and that he had been 'conned'.
We got through this and decided to truely commit and get get married after so long together.
I'm not sure if things got better or if I was just ignorant to it!
Over the years there have been several nights out in which my husband would not return home until the next day or very late. He would get very drunk, to the point that on occasions he has passed out, fallen asllep on trains, come come with black eyes, cuts to head, lost phones/laptops etc. He will never tell me where he has been or what he has been doing. He keeps his finances seperate and I have no idea of what he spends and where. I have found out that he has continued to visit strip clubs and spend alot of money there. I dread to think what the money can buy him.
It came to heads just before christmas last year when he failed to return home after a night out. I had to lie to our son in the morning that he had stayed at a friends when I had no idea where he was and if we was even ok. When I returned from work that eveing he was home, he had cuts to his head and bruising. He said he fell asleep at the station and fell over. Again, I was gutted and just didnt know what to believe. He said he couldnt continue like this and that the drink would kill him or ruin our marraige - its true it is! He said that he jst couldnt go out any more.
Things had got better, he had gone out very rarely and not got in this state but things have still not been great between us.

We are very rarely intimate - im not sure if this is my doing or his or down to how i feel about everything. Since having our son our sex life has been a little awkward as we rarely get any privacy. I find this hard as I feel uncomfortable if our son is awake and in the room next to us. I also suffer terribly with cystitis and seem to have constant thrush. Any sexual contact results in this. This is a horrible situation for me as I have needs too, it isnt that I dont want to be with my husband, I do. I feel Im letting him down in that sense but then it does take two. Over the last 8 months on the rare occasions that we have been intimate, the way he wants to do this is different. This makes me paranoid that he has done these things with other women. I have suspected he has been unfaithful but didnt want to believe it. I fear that he has had sexual contact with strippers, random girls he has met or even prostitutes.
He has recently been to amsterdam on buisness and he lied about only going out for the work dinner as I have found reciepts showing otherwise. I feel dreadful for looking for such evidence but I just have had the most awful feeling.

It was this eveing that I discovered a card in his bag for a sexual health clinic showing that he has been tested for chlamydia, gonorrhoea, HIV and syphillis. This has made all my most dreaded fears become reality. There would be no need to be tested for these things unless he had had sexual contact with someone. I am devestated.

Im not sure what Im hoping for by posting this on here. He is away this weekend. I have kept the card. I know that he will discover it is gone. If I confront him for this I know he will blame me for 'looking through his things'. But to me, this just proves that I wasnt the one going crazy, my fears and thoughts have been valid. Im not sure what else to say right now. apart from gutted. :(

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SlightlyJadedJack · 18/04/2015 14:34

Well done Gutted! So pleased for you. ??

Christophewouldgetit · 18/04/2015 14:37

Another one with a big smile on my face for you getting your new job Grin You totally deserve it!

Sounds like a good time to start planning a new life without your husband who sounds utterly dreadful!

Ratfinkandbobo · 18/04/2015 14:43

Well doneSmile
New job, new life without dirty dickhead!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/04/2015 15:01

Huge congratulations, gutted ... to do so well in a testing interview at such a time is absolutely amazing. Just think where your abilities will take you in the future, once you've got rid of this dead weight Smile

Foodforthesoul · 18/04/2015 15:51

gutted so pleased for you Smile

Kleptronic · 18/04/2015 16:43

I'm so very glad for you x well done, very well done.

MrsJackAubrey · 18/04/2015 17:29

I'm so glad for you Gutted - that's shows you have a formidable mind that can rise above the emotional mire your husband has tried to force you head down into.

You're going to have a wonderful life. Try not to think too much about how he 'doesn't like you' - his affection doesn't sound like it's worth much to be honest

honeyroar · 19/04/2015 00:04

Well done Gutted. May this new job be the first chapter in your journey to a happy new future. You achieved all that under stressful conditions without any help or support from him - you don't need him... Go get the rest of your ducks lined up! We're all proud of you.

Goodbetterbest · 19/04/2015 12:12

Genuinely pleased here for you Gutted! Hope this gives you a massive boost and sends you on your way to a happy, independent future x

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Cloudhowe63 · 19/04/2015 19:13

Well done, gutted. You rock! Star

tulipbulbs · 19/04/2015 20:06

Just read this gutted. Reading it shows your commitment to your marriage and your questioning of yourself confirms this. But you can't have a relationship with an ideal. It has to be with a real person. He hasn't engaged, he hasn't been intimate with you in showing you, his real self and in sharing his vulnerablities with you.
I dispute that he is a good father. The first thing a good father has to do is to respect his child's mother. Then he needs to model integrity. It's particularly important to teach his son to respect women.
You are in the middle of a letting go process, after a while it will speed up and then it is easier to discern the realities of the situation.
Find a good solicitor. Get advice. If he is spending a lot on his "hobby" will you really be that much more financially precarious than you were?
Act tough. Fake it until you make it.

gutted1 · 21/04/2015 14:59

Sorry I disappeared.. Thought I may have been getting somewhere getting my head sorted but no.
We've barely communicated since last week.
Then I got a text in my way to work this morning telling me that he is selling out car and that I'll need to sort myself out. I tried to call/text but he ignored me. I came home from work early to talk while the children were not around. He wasn't pleased to see me. Said he doesn't want to talk to me, doesn't want to talk about my shit, and that I spoilt his afternoon like I spoil everything. And that its always about me.

I'm now back in that place where I feel like I should be apologising.
I said that we need to talk, to sort out what's happening but he refused. Said he doesn't want to talk to me.
Once again feel shit, to blame and that I'm a complete waste of space who's causing misery to my family. :(

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gutted1 · 21/04/2015 15:00

He also said he doesn't trust me.. Like I'm trying to fleece him!

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pocketsaviour · 21/04/2015 15:08

What a wanker. I'm really Angry on your behalf.

Can you phone and make appointments with some solicitors? Try and get a few in the area who do free first half hour appts so you get a good range of advice. Make sure you mention that he is very controlling and abusive and tell them what he said about the car.

Can I ask, do you feel like he's had a personality transplant, or is this controlling and abusive streak something he's always had, if you reassess the relationship?

fearandloathinginambridge · 21/04/2015 15:10

gutted - I have just read your thread. I know it's for me to say but you have to try and detach from his words and see them for what they are, projection, lashing out, the desperation of man who is, and knows he is, a Class A shit.

You have nothing to apologise for. He on the other hand ...

fearandloathinginambridge · 21/04/2015 15:11

I know it's easy for me to say ...

gutted1 · 21/04/2015 15:14

I don't know. I guess there's always been certain issues.
I really think he thinks I'm going to try and steal all his money.
Maybe he's been to see a solicitor and they've advised this as the car is in my name, although he did pay for it.
Thing is, I think I'm still at the stage where I want to save things despite everything. But we can't move forward in any way, together or separate if he won't talk to me.
Hate feeling like I've ruined it all.
Not sure how much more I can cope with. :(

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gutted1 · 21/04/2015 15:16

Me sitting here crying again, it does make me look like I'm the one who's pathetic, being depressing, not enjoying life, causing misery.
Not sure what else I can do though

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Cococrazy · 21/04/2015 15:19

He is playing such mind games with you. Making you feel it's your fault. It isn't! He doesn't deserve you. You sound like a lovely person and this idiot has made you doubt that. Don't let him x

Kleptronic · 21/04/2015 15:38

I know what you can do. Go and see a solicitor, gutted. Get lawyered up and get away from this horrible, draining torment. It isn't you. It's him.

duderanch · 21/04/2015 15:47

I'm afraid the unexplained absences/cuts and bruises speak for themselves. He's clearly involved in some dodgy stuff whether it's drugs, or prostitutes. Whatever it is, he's managed very well for years to have that thrilling secret little world for himself and an apparently happy family life as great cover. This is not unheard of with successful men who travel a lot. I've heard of several who manage to compartmentalise their lives very successfully until the inevitable day when it all comes crashing down.
Gutted - we can all see he's not a nice man. You can't now, but you will. In a way you have to take everyone else's word for it (MN posters and your work colleagues) and get away from him. Then you will start to realise just what you have been putting up with. You will not be able to believe that you, an intelligent educated woman could be so taken in, and your trust and health abused so badly. You have not ruined anything, and there will come a day when you look back at this sorry excuse for a relationship and thank God you got out of it. A partner is supposed to make you feel special and wonderful (us against the world, baby) not "pathetic, depressing and miserable" - he's really doing a number on you, isn't he? He will not change (ever) but YOU can. Please believe it. We're all cheering you on.

MaMaof04 · 21/04/2015 16:22

FUCK THEM ALL!
If I am confused then God only knows how you feel.
Can you keep a log of his behavior/your interactions?
That might help you see more clearly and also maybe with this log you go to a counselor and seek advice on your own: to quit or fight for your marriage.
It is so ambivalent that I do not know what to say.
Maybe go out on a trip on your own for a while.
(BTW if the car is on your name then he cannot sell it without your consent, can he?)
However I do wish you the best outcome in whatever you decide to do.
Keep us updated!

gutted1 · 21/04/2015 16:26

I've nice said to him that we do have to talk at some point, that this will not just go away.
I have now been called selfish, always thinking of myself and that I thrive on misery!

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pocketsaviour · 21/04/2015 16:34

OK, if the car is in your name then he cannot sell it - that would be either theft or fraud (not sure which but definitely a criminal offense.) He probably knows that full well and is just trying to scare you into submission.

Please ignore all his hateful, hurtful words. They are designed to hurt and wound you and they are NOT TRUE. I also find it interesting that the very things he is accusing you of, are absolutely his faults! As a PP said, classic projection!

I would not try to talk to him until you have seen a solicitor or two and you have knowledge behind you of your rights.

I also think it might benefit you to look into the Freedom Programme, because his behaviour right now is very definitely abusive and I think when you have a clearer sight of him, you may look back and find red flags all over your relationship.

Honestly. This guy's not just a cunt, he's off the cuntometer.