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God knows what I've done wrong now!

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mumto3beautys · 27/03/2015 19:20

hi to all
I've got a thread on here about my toxic mother but I'm not sure my dp is much better, can I think aloud and people give me their opinion
take today for example he's staying over as we are going to visit family in the morning for the weekend
he's been off work all week but I've not seen him since Saturday as he's been "busy"
he was meant to come last night but cancelled as his ex threatened if he didn't have his son while she went drinking he wouldn't be seeing him again
so hes coming tonight ive spoken to him a few times today and he's just so angry all the time bites my head off for the smallest thing
the only thing I have done today is say oh probably in a bit of a dissapointed voice when he said he had to go and see his mum at 8 so no idea when he will get here...infact his words were ill be there when I'm there stop putting pressure on me ( I havent seen him all week! )
he's bringing a takeaway so I guess he will call when he's there to ask what I want but he has literally bit my head off in every single conversation today!
I said are you going to be in a better mood or be nice when you get here, I didn't mean it to be patronising I just wanted a heads up and his reply was yeah if u do this this and this and don't do this or this
surely there shouldn't be so many rules for someone to just be kind???
I have no idea why he's so angry/nasty atm

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mumto3beautys · 05/04/2015 23:24

I'm sat crying at how weak I am and all the things I want to say to him but never have the guts to and I dont know why Sad

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cozietoesie · 05/04/2015 23:38

No need to feel so bad, mum. You've started thinking about things and that's huge in itself. You may not be in a position to take more than baby steps (or take no steps at all) at the moment, but that awareness should continue even so.

Smile
mumto3beautys · 05/04/2015 23:54

thank you that means alot Smile its so degrading to desperately want to stick up for myself but never have the courage to press send and I dont know why Sad ive typed what I want to say out on an almost daily basis just to make me feel better but then I sit crying that I'm such a doormat that I never send it

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tipsytrifle · 06/04/2015 00:16

Maybe what you're doing is rehearsing for when you WILL press send. It's ok, mumto3 - you're really really working on it, towards ending it. One time you won't be able to stop yourself. Crying is sometimes a release of pent up emotion, not always a sad event.

What cozie said is true. You're thinking about stuff and already your mindset has shifted a little. This is going to be uncomfortable and a bit strange. You're on your journey towards being free of him. Your journey towards the real you.

mumto3beautys · 06/04/2015 00:21

Thank you its inspiring to hear that you think im working towards it in really trying but always saw the typing but not sending thing as a kick in the teeth that I'm so weak

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Jackw · 06/04/2015 00:32

Sending him a type out of what you think will not help. He'll just come back with a load more stuff about why you are wrong and he loves you etc etc plus it's mostly your fault etc. You are not ever going to be able to persuade him to either admit he's abusive or to change and treat you better. The only way out of this for you is to cut him off from any communication whatsoever. You are making progress with this. Keep going.

mumto3beautys · 06/04/2015 00:37

Someone pls suggest a baby step they think ( after reading how weak I am ) that I might be able to achieve.....it might give me a bit of confidence to make an even bigger more important step....

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cozietoesie · 06/04/2015 01:03

I rather think that you posting here is your baby step? Read your posts at the beginning of the thread and see how they've changed.

mumto3beautys · 06/04/2015 01:12

How do you think they have changed? I dont see any progress myself as he still makes me cry myself to sleep each night and I'm still allowing that....I hope to be making more noticeable steps v.soon like in the next week maximum I cant carry on feeling like this any longer than that I need to see an end to this pain so I'm trying to set that as my goal in a weeks time to look forward to

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Flashbangandgone · 06/04/2015 09:11

Just to say from the outset.... I'm a guy, have occassionally looked at mumsnet threads over the years, but your predicament got to me, so I thought I'd join, for one post only, then be off.... In the main this is really something where you need to support of your fellow sex, but hope this one-off might help..... If not, please ignore it.

Firstly, as someone who genuinely doesn't use this language regularly (if at all), if even a fraction of the things you are saying are right (and I've no reason to doubt any of it) your 'partner' is quite simply an absolute c* and his behaviour is vile and disgusting... I started off thinking: "FFS, just leave him! What's the matter with you...."..... Then I started to understand, with your history and baggage, and all to easy for someone not in your position to lecture from the sidelines.

From what I see from this thread:

  1. You're clearly articulate and communicate well - you definitely seem to have above average intelligence
  2. For someone who's put up with so much emotional abuse, you still appear to be warm-hearted and sensitive..... That's pretty awesome - it I were you, I'd be a bitter, nasty bitch-from-hell!
  3. You're a size 10 in late 30's (OK with 'wobbly bits' as you say, but then so have 95%+ of women) - that's pretty much in the sweet spot for attractiveness for size and age for men.

So there you have it... You've got a full house of the three attributes: physical attractiveness, emotional attractiveness and intelligence.... Now you just need to believe it! OK, you've got three kids, but how many women will have forged successfully healthy relationships with kids in tow -millions, literally. And I've got no self-interest in telling you lies here... I'm not trying some kind of flattery talk to get you into bed - I'm happily married and once this is posted, I'm off, never to be seen again.

So, how to improve that self-esteem... Again, a differest perspective perhaps from my different vantage point. I'd flirt.... flirt subtly, not trying to pull, or expecting anything to come of it.... just the odd smile at guy you meet, or a fleeting bit of eye contact. Believe me, that it takes very little of this for a man to fancy someone if she is, as you are, size 10 in their 30s....all you need to do is look presentable (by that I don't mean dress up especially, just be some clean clothes and a brush through your hair!) You don't have to fancy them particularly.... you're not doing this to pull, just so you know that by your very simple tiny micro-flirt, a man is interested... and you have fun doing that... the more you do it, the more you'll notice guys flirt ever-so-slightly back, and the more you realise you are genuinely attractive, the more you confidence you'll get, the more your self-esteem will grow, the more you'll realise that you really do deserve more.... and you'll be more able to get rid of this guy for good... any when you do find someone who is attracted to you on the surface, you'll know that you have the personality (i.e. 1 & 2 above) to seal the deal with a decent guy!

Btw, as I don't think what you have is really what you could term a relationship.... more an emotionally abusive arrangement, don't feel guilty about flirting with other guys (ffs he slept with someone else!).... rather feel guilty if you don't as that's a way out for you, and more importantly your kids.

OK, that's me done.... Hope it helps. Good luck. Over and out.

mumto3beautys · 06/04/2015 09:25

I've been thinking all night.....his ex controls him massively ie do what I say else u wont see your child ( mainly ludicrous demands ) and ive seen this with my own eyes, I tell him all the time she has complete control and he says he cant argue bk as he wants to see his son
am thinking he hates the fact she controls him it makes him feel small/ demasulates him so to make himself feel better he goes ott controlling on me....

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mumto3beautys · 06/04/2015 09:35

Thank you flashbangandgone that really made me smile Smile

I know I'm not as ugly as he makes me feel as I have the attention of other men etc I just dont want it and pathetically want his!
its all so stupid and degrading!

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cozietoesie · 06/04/2015 09:37

You'll have to be tolerant of this post - I've not had my 'first-thing-in-the-morning' ration of cuppas yet and I've had to have some meds so I'm maybe not quite as together as I might otherwise be.

I do think your posts have changed even in this short time. You started off being gloomy and despondent and now you're questioning and more alert to your situation, I reckon. That's big.

You have so much on your plate at the moment that I wouldn't worry about crying occasionally - or even a lot. Sometimes it's a release valve for anger as much as misery.

You never mention the father(s) of your children. (Or if you have, it's not stuck in my mind much.) Do you still have any sort of relationship with him/them?

DaemonPantalaemon · 06/04/2015 09:38

I am terrified that you are going to have his kid and be tied to him for life. Please my love, listen to the bloke above. You are young attractive, and if it is a man you want, YOU CAN DO SO SO SO SO SO MUCH BETTER!!!! Please bin him, you are not tied to him in any way other than in your mind. One text, then block block block. Please! You can do it!

mumto3beautys · 06/04/2015 10:53

my kids dad is a waste of space tbh and only sees them as little as possible
I dont want a baby with him and I used to so thats a positive Smile

the sun is shining today and I feel instantly stronger for some reason. ... I'm actually looking forward to him coming over later not in the desperate hope for a bit of kindness if I cook his dinner and do all his sexual asks just to give him a piece of my mind and hopefully show him I'm not the walkover he thinks I am

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BastardGoDarkly · 06/04/2015 11:01

Delurking to say excellent!! We'll be here cheering you on, shaking the pompoms, whatever you need. Good luck!

Squeegle · 06/04/2015 11:41

The biggest change you can make is a change in your attitude! Honestly. I say that because I know it made a MASSIVE difference to me and gave me the eventual push to leave my Ex.

When you change he way you look at things you won't go back. Even if it takes a while to change some things practically.

And thank God you're not married to this person. You don't need his crumbs of kindness, honest you don't. There are some people who will be nice to you without sexual favours and dinner. He has been pretty fortunate so far, but am really glad to see your attitude is changing Flowers

JustJanice · 06/04/2015 12:15

I can't believe I've sat and read this whole thread - days and days and days of examples of why this man is an utter shit and you're still dithering about whether or not he's really cheated (hint - he has cheated) and why he treats you like he does.

Seriously - you're not going to dump him. You know that. He knows that. Everyone knows that. Shame.

Charley50 · 06/04/2015 13:30

That was helpful Just.

UpSheFlew · 06/04/2015 13:55

Oh FFS, mum. Just dump the prick. Seriously. What's the point of all this cat and mouth bullshit. Over for dinner?! Over for dinner, my hole.

YY, I've read enough to understand there are underlying issues that have made you the way you are today, but honest to God... it's just too much to sit here and stomach.
Why, oh why, oh why are you even entertaining this ass wipe of a man? He will never, can never be the man you want him to be.

It's a big fat, LTB from me.

UpSheFlew · 06/04/2015 13:55

*cat and mouse even!

Jux · 06/04/2015 14:54

Mum, have you looked into the Freedom Programme? I'm sure it's been mentioned on your thread and I can't remember if you looked and it wasn't possible, or whether you hadn't really had a chance to look. Please please do. Also, perhaps telling your gp that you are in an abusive relationship and want help to get out, might help? She can refer you to counselling which will strengthen your resolve, and help you see better why you accept crap behaviour from men.

You've had two bad relationships, mum. I'm really sorry, and really sympathetic to your plight. You do need to set up the Freedom P. or get counselling. Something in rl. Would that be a small step you could take? The FP would result in enormous strides, btw, so I'd go for that first if poss. Then counselling

NaiceVillageOfTheDammed · 06/04/2015 17:10

What do you do with your time when you're not with him? Do you fill it meaningfully with stuff for your DCs and you? Or is your head filled with him?

Is this how you want your DCs to learn about relationships? Mum miserable, hanging about for a crap man. Giving him headspace when it should be filled with your DCs and yourself.

And as for defending him about his 'controlling ex' - you have no idea of the dynamics of that relationship. Given how crap/flakey he is with you, I wouldn't be surprised that the ex has had the same treatment and no longer tolerates it. You see 'control', ex sees' it as having firm boundaries.

mumto3beautys · 06/04/2015 18:41

I spend time with my children and go to work I don't sit in the house crying constantly till the next time he appears
I only said what I said about his ex as I have heard her ridiculous demands 1st hand and they are certainly nothing to do with boundaries....
just spoke to him re later he sounds bloody suicidal or something so christ knows whats up with him now!
guilty concience maybe... I can feel an argument brewing later!

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cozietoesie · 06/04/2015 18:46

That can be a part of the tactics, mum, even if unconscious. Arrive looking and feeling low, stir up her maternal instincts and then tell her she's the only person who can lift you out of a depression. Nothing like that for locking someone into a 'relationship' if it works.

And having said that - he's master of his own soul. Not your responsibility.

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