Feminism - thoughts?

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I am quite traditional. I don't really understand women who are so keen to 'be equal' to men. I understand that equal pay etc is something that needed to be addressed...but seriously, in today's world, is any of that even an issue anymore?

Without going into huge amounts of analysis, I think the very fact women are feminists, undermines women completely. I have a good job and feel happy with my life, and as a result I'm proud to be a woman...I enjoy organising the home, cooking and cleaning... and although I know it's not the same for everyone, I think generally women are much better and more in tune with these kinds of tasks.

There are also lots of reasons why women and men are, and always will be different. IMO I think people should get over it.

On a recent date - not sure how we got onto this topic - but the guy was very surprised I wasn't a feminist. I found this extremely unattractive.

Thoughts/opinions?

Feminism has nothing to go with man hating. Learn what feminism is before you decide if you like it.

And no, I don't see where you are coming from. I think you seem really incredibly stupid and goady.

Thank fuck my husband is a feminist.

Can I ask something? For this equally paid job in male industry, did you receive tax payer funded university level education for free? or did you have to "invest" into this yourself?

OP, by your own measure you don't seem to be very successful at these traditional style gender roles. You seem very keen for a man to take the lead and give you a life of Pinterest-inspired mindful-wifey-ness and lots of kiddies but the only date you've mentioned was pretty unimpressed by your anti-feminism and your 'OH' is purely hypothetical.

OTOH, all the feminists I know have had plenty of shagging, enjoy male company and, when they've decided to had kids. Sometimes they've even become SAHMs.

Tsk...should read:

OTOH, all the feminists I know have enjoyed plenty of shagging, male company and, when they've decided to, had kids.

well that is good to know.

if they leave work to bring up kids, how can they expect to walk back into a job at the same pay as someone who has been there for the past 3 years?

Man or woman..that in itself wouldnt be fair, would it?

If OP is a woman, I am the Queen of Sheba. Goady Fucking of the highest order.

I'm intrigued both by your certainty that you would enjoy a life that you have no experience of (being at home with small children all day and completely economically dependent on your partner) and also that it will be possible.

If you happen to end up with someone whose pay is not enough for this to happen, it may be that a stint of trying to keep the show on the road, working and carrying out the majority of childcare and housework, perhaps trying to cope with doing your old job part time and for less money but with pretty much the same workload and hostility from your colleagues, coping with the costs and inconveniences of childcare, might help you understand what battles are yet to be won.

Also it is tremendously naive to think that private sector salaries are easily challenged. Even in the public sector, suppposedly the bastion of fair pay, there is a big problem.

I do wonder how old you are? You don't seem to have much life experience.

OP, if you believe you are intellectually equal to men, that you should be paid equally for the same job, that you have the right to vote, to drive, to an education and to a career, then you are a feminist.

If you are not a feminist then hand back your education, driving license, job, right to vote, and your right to your own money.

OP get back to us in few years when you have kids, maybe a baby who won't sleep and toddler.

That 'real man' husband who does not agree with feminists, who does not lift a finger 'to help' in the house because, hey, that's always been your job. Oh and you have to work outside the home as well to be able to afford a mortgage to house those kids, but employers aren't that keen on mums with young kids and it's always you that has to take time off for sick kids etc.

Then Mr 'I don't like feminists meets some high flying woman at work who is SO interesting, who he has so easy to talk to becase they have so much in common, who isn't worn down by unsupported housework and child care.....

You have a happy life as a housewife, yet aren't married? Eh?

Liking cleaning = fine. Equating that with the other stuff you're going on about = weird.

OP you do realise that feminism is about real peoples' lived experience, right? Not just internet philosophy?

"women do many things better than men, one of which is rising above men's immaturity (!)"

Well, see, as a feminist I reject sexism. This means I don't agree that men are inherently immature, pathetically incapable of keeping themselves fed & washed, or otherwise useless.

HTH :)

The reason the OP has a job in a male dominated industry is because earlier feminists blazed the trail for her.

Some women are happy to take advantage of the gains of earlier feminists, but disavow feminism themselves: partly from ignorance and ingratitude and partly a fear of not getting fucked.

I think it is being taken to extremes... I always said I agree with equal pay etc.

OP go read 'delusions of gender' and 'wifework' and come back and tell us if you still fell the same way.

What have you got to lose?

putting the opening post through Hackers gender test it comes out as
'WEAK MALE'

I rest my case

jackieharris I will certainly give those a read!

I always said I agree with equal pay etc

In that case you're a feminist. [/thread]

but it has gone to extremes.

men and woman can't be 100% equal over everything, all the time. that is just a fact.

Op you are confusing wanting to be a sahm with antifeminism and feminist with men hater.

That is taking things to extremes

"gone to extremes"

< dabs bingo card >

Boring troll is boring

Of course men and women can be 100% equal at all times. That doesn't mean they're 100% the same.

Dissimilarity and inequality are not the same thing.

I think you're a bit of a silly billy