Feminism - thoughts?

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I am quite traditional. I don't really understand women who are so keen to 'be equal' to men. I understand that equal pay etc is something that needed to be addressed...but seriously, in today's world, is any of that even an issue anymore?

Without going into huge amounts of analysis, I think the very fact women are feminists, undermines women completely. I have a good job and feel happy with my life, and as a result I'm proud to be a woman...I enjoy organising the home, cooking and cleaning... and although I know it's not the same for everyone, I think generally women are much better and more in tune with these kinds of tasks.

There are also lots of reasons why women and men are, and always will be different. IMO I think people should get over it.

On a recent date - not sure how we got onto this topic - but the guy was very surprised I wasn't a feminist. I found this extremely unattractive.

Thoughts/opinions?

I'm not sure why there's such an aggressive response!

Would you be surprised if this was the response to a thread, "Anti-racism - thoughts?"

If that is your choice fine. I wish more men would chose the same.

And wanting equal oportunities does not make women men haters.

vivacia how can you compare this to racism?!

Yep I think women should just get over the fact that they encounter casual sexism and misogyny, are subject to domestic violence, have struggled for years to achieve equal pay, only to find they still don't have it, that thousands of young girls are subjected to FGM, that girl babies are left to die in buckets and child brides die from internal injuries right through to why not just enjoy our liberation to get fucked for a pittance, enjoy dancing round poles for other women's husbands and get back to the washing up. Yep why indeed do we need these angry women shouting off about this stuff. I mean its women the world over that work for peanuts creating all the wealth whilst living an impoverished existence. But these women don't matter because "we" can choose to enjoy shopping and homemaking, painting our faces and enjoying being "real" women. Oh did I mention that 400,000 women a year are subjected to sexual attack in England and Wales...yep tell them to shut the fuck up too and get back to the sink

tondelay apologies - that was meant to be hypothetical, and I was typing quickly.

I am clearly referring to the extreme nature of many feminists that I have come across. I am not disagreeing with striving for equal opportunity.

"No need to be rude, posters!"

What do you want from this, OP?

My opinion is you have very little concept of what feminism is. And as you've referenced the free bleeding, which is a specific anti-feminist hoax, I suspect you've been at least been reading some suspect stuff, at a worst deliberately on here to cause trouble.

If you're genuinely interested in learning, then stop posting goady threads on here and read. Read a lot.

Does your OH know about your recent date?

I'm assuming this is a fictional future OH who won't be interested in unattractive feminist things. Then OP will marry him, have his children and give up her much loved career for him.

OP, it might surprise you to learn that the the Women's Liberation Movement that began in the 1960s was heavily influenced by the Civil Rights Movement.

I can compare it to racism because it is about the oppression of a class of people.

OP: Feminists are strange, embarrassing, free-bleeding, man haters. Discuss.

expected response

OP: Why you SO MEAN?????

But the things you are railing against have very little to do with feminism.

Do you understand what feminism is? Or are you just being goady?

Lol at the irony of you being embarrassed for womenkind because of feminism

Why not find out what feminism is before you slag it off? Or perhaps you simply wish to cherry pick the stuff that suits you.

Free bleeding is a hoax. If that's the sum total of your knowledge about feminism, you need to get out more. If you have time whilst working and running a home and carrying on with two different men. One of whom, at least, could have educated you about feminism if you hadn't found it distasteful.

I intended to create a debate, but no, I didnt expect such a huge outcry.

Yes, from my experiences of feminists, they seem to bask in the battle of what it is to be female, and they are usually very bitter people who dislike men. That is based on my interaction with approximately 7 femininists. Perhaps I need to meet more.

I was merely wondering if any other woman was happy to do cleaning and cooking and bringing up kids in BRITISH society. Not worldwide.

Also, I do find it amusing that posters suggest I am male. Is it impossible to believe a woman may ask this?!

You won't be paid the same as a man with the SAME amount of experience, that is where the inequality is.

I was paid 40% less than before I went on maternity leave when I returned to work 2 years ago (after 3 years out of work, 1 year of which I was looking for a job). Today I earn 50% less than average for someone with my PQE.

I am having to start again, all the long hours I put in, all the hard work, some days I wonder why I bothered. I am unable to return to the same level I left. For this reason I am leaving my career and retraining.

Sadly my experience is not unusual.

So you like organising your home, therefore we should all get back in the kitchen and stop being hairy, man-hating harpies?

Nice try, here have a

I'm a bit confused - you love 'running a home' yet don't have a partner and kids. What exactly is 'running a home' when you're single? Like paying the mortgage and buying food? Are those the skills that you are so proud of possessing?

Unless you are the Duchess of Devonshire or someone...

Op if what you are saying is that it is your preference to stay at home then by all means go for it.

But it seems that what you are saying is that all women or at least a good fraction of them should accept that as their default role.

Am i understanding correctly or have i missunderstood?

raconteurs that is simply not sure. Please look at the Equality Act and pursue a claim if you feel you have been mistreated.

It is likely that you have been paid less due to being out of work. That is not the fault of men, though, surely...

Women should celebrate the differences, not turn into men haters

Just as men should have spent the entirety of human history celebrating those differences rather than exploiting them! Men who rape women hate them, men who marry children...hate them, men who want women to shut up...hate them, women were burnt in the middle ages for being unmarried...men hate women who remain unmarried they called them witches...and what is more they had whole institutions on their side, the church, the government, education, capital, banks, and a whole set of narratives, ideologies and superstitious belief that could be called upon to prevent women like you getting equal pay!

Yes things have improved, yes you might have equal pay with your male co-workers but that isn't because men as a class decided to give up the women hating. It's because angry women fought for these rights. And anytime you give up fighting to keep these rights you can sit back and watch the tide turn, because it would.

I was merely wondering if any other woman was happy to do cleaning and cooking and bringing up kids in BRITISH society.

Yes there are plenty of happy sahms in britain. There are also happy sahds.

There are even wohms who do not hate men.

Yes you do need to meet more ppl op.

nolim I just wanted to know if any other women were happy for men to take the lead, so to speak, and enjoy a traditional role as a housewife etc. That is only a small part of feminism, I understand that, but I was more interested in whether I was just very unusual to be happy with that life.

Clearly I am, by the sounds of it!

I intended to create a debate, but no, I didn't expect such a huge outcry.

All you black people - you have shelter, you are fed, you are even allowed to marry and have children. Why do you want to be the same as white people? People are different. You should value how good you are at cleaning and singing... much better than a lot of white people lol.

There's no need for you to create a debate, OP. Especially seeing as you don't know what is is you are debating.

Instead why don't you spend your afternoon properly informing yourself rather than just parroting tired old rubbish intended to be inflammatory where it's not welcome. Not because we can't successfully refute it- we really, really can- but because we have better things to do with our time and are quite simply tired of having to do so.

I guarantee you know a great many more feminists than you think. Even men can be feminists (shocker!). Feminism is about equality between the sexes politically, economically, socially and culturally. To put it another way, it's not about the choices women make, it's about women having choices.

With all the benefits you have reaped from feminism, I am pretty sure you are already more than half way there ... you just don't know it yet.