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Wedding trauma - forced to choose between sister and son

269 replies

greencottage · 17/03/2015 12:45

Sorry this is long - need to give a bit of background. It's been going on for weeks and I really need some help.

DS moved to a distant foreign city (other side of the world) in January to start a postgrad degree. The only person he knew in that city (where he'd never been before) was my DSis, who lives there and who has been a wonderful aunt to him and like a second mother all his life. I think, fairly naturally, he and I both hoped that she would be able to give him a bit of help settling in in this new city, e.g. give him somewhere to stay while he found uni accommodation. Well, that didn't happen as she and her new partner decided they had to go on holiday at that time. Was a bit disappointed, but anyway he got on with it, found a friend of a friend who let him stay while he found a flat.

Move forward a couple of weeks, and DSis comes back from holiday. DS asks if he can visit and stay for a few days as he would like to spend family time with DSis and also felt he had stayed long enough at friend-of-friend's house (he was moving into his new flat in five days). She says yes, so he goes to her house.

By day 2 the atmosphere is unbearable. Partner of DSis does not like having him in the house and puts a him-or-me ultimatum on DSis. DSis crumbles and kicks DS out, literally onto the street, giving him an inflatable mattress and a few pans and towels. He manages to get into the flat a couple of days early and camps out until his furniture arrives. In the meantime DSis sends hysterical emails left, right and centre telling everyone how appalling DS is (not true). Her DP sends me an incredible email telling me he's lucky he wasn't chucked out with a black eye and I should take off my rose tinted glasses about him. Apparently amongst his sins were "expecting to be fed". Please take this in the context of 1. my family is always warm and hospitable to each other, 2. they are not short of money so could certainly afford an extra place at the table, 3. DS is basically a broke student, 4. he brought the usual kind of contributions and helped out around the house like any well-mannered guest.

All very upsetting and I cannot believe that my much loved sister has behaved like this towards her nephew who she has always cherished. Literally cannot believe it. Still I am trying to make a reconciliation and just ask her to apologise to DS. No apology is forthcoming, well a little bit to me but not to him.

Now for the wedding related bit. I am going to visit DS at Easter. This has been planned for many months. With this date in mind DSis organised her wedding to the above mentioned partner for when I was there. I love my sister and want to support her and celebrate her wedding. But I feel she has basically sacrificed my son to her partner's whims. Her DP has also grossly insulted me and DS (sent DS an email saying he was never welcome again). She has also rescinded the wedding invite to DS. I just need to say again, what a long and loving relationship she has had with DS all his life, so this is just an unbelievable turn of events.

DS says he will feel betrayed and unsupported if I go to the wedding. Elderly DM is having a hysterical breakdown at the family fall-out. DSis says I should support her, even if she acknowledges she did the wrong thing (which she kind of does), as she has supported me in past difficult times (true). I've heard nothing from DSis partner who is at the bottom of all this and who sent me the horrible email. I don't particularly want to ever see him, but I don't want to destroy my relationship with my sister. I also don't want to betray my son's trust.

What do I do? Son or Sister? Wedding - yes or no?

OP posts:
dreamingbohemian · 17/03/2015 13:08

Great post from LulaMay, I'd do that OP

honeyroar · 17/03/2015 13:09

Something thing more must have happened while he was there, it's much too big of a reaction to what has been reported if your sister has always got on with him.

I would go out there, meet with them, and decide for myself how I felt. I don't think that your son should be making you decide either, he is in his 20s surely if he is a postgrad.

I would definitely do more digging face to face then decide. I'm not saying they weren't awful to him though.

sherbetpips · 17/03/2015 13:09

Have you had a heart to heart with your sister when her DP is not within earshot? Surely they can give you some more examples of this supposed awful behaviour?

My BF's sister hasnt spoken to the family since she married a very controlling man - he threw her parents out onto the street when they were visiting for a week (they lived in Spain) at 1 in the morning with no phone or anything. Never heard from her again after that incident. She did have some 'issues' with her own parents so she was an easy target for him.

The reality is if you dont go to the wedding she will probably cut off contact with you, I dont think your son will be that harsh.

coppertop · 17/03/2015 13:10

I'm struggling to think of something that your ds could have done in a single day that could have warranted that kind of treatment and all the drama that followed.

I don't think I could bring myself to go to the wedding. Kicking him out was bad enough, but the e-mails and the rescinding of the wedding invitation would have been the final straw for me.

Vivacia · 17/03/2015 13:11

You keep blaming the DP, but you say your sister also sent some emails to family members about how awful your son was. This is weird in itself, but what did she claim he did?

I think it's strange that your son lent on people like this and appears so disorganised.

All-in-all I think you shouldn't make a choice and mediate a reconciliation between everyone. Is your son invited to the wedding?

simonettavespucci · 17/03/2015 13:13

OP how long has your dsis been with this P? Have you met him?

TheMShip · 17/03/2015 13:13

Vivacia the OP's son was invited to the wedding, but has since been disinvited by the sister.

honeyroar · 17/03/2015 13:13

Have you met him yet OP (her partner)? I think meeting him will tell you everything.

Andro · 17/03/2015 13:13

The op's son had been invited, invitation had been revoked.

Vivacia · 17/03/2015 13:14

Sorry, I was thinking more like being re-invited, or the possibility of a re-invite.

It sounds to me as though your son said something really out of line.

Schoolaroundthecorner · 17/03/2015 13:15

I'm definitely on your sons side in this case. He was there maybe 24hrs? How bad could he have been really, especially if he usually has a warm and loving relationship with your DSis and he's normally pleasant and well mannered?

I'd have strong suspicions your sisters partner never wanted him there and insisted he be kicked out for what were surely some very minor transgressions, if there were any at all. I would try to talk to your sister though and explain that given the way your son has been treated, particularly by her DP, you aren't comfortable coming to the wedding anymore and you are very upset about how he was treated and how it was portrayed to everyone afterwards, however, if she ever needs you in the future you'll be there for her.

MrsHathaway · 17/03/2015 13:15

I agree with plant and later pps that at face value it sounds like BIL2b is a nasty abuser and that DSis will need to know she can come back to you.

Is there any possibility she is being used for financial or immigration reasons? or does BIL2b improve her financial/immigration status, which might make her feel trapped?

I agree there is a line to take with DSon along the lines of "I believe you, so I must go so he knows he can't scare us away and she knows she hasn't lost us"; and similarly with DSis "BIL2b treated my son unacceptably but you're my sister and I love you and I will always support you".

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/03/2015 13:16

Vivacia,

In the initial post the OP states that her sister has rescinded the invite to her son.

If I was OPs mother in all this rather than getting hysterical I would be having a full and frank telephone conversation with OPs sister about her actions and the fallout from same (was she acting on her man's instructions?).

CactusAnnie · 17/03/2015 13:16

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LulaMayBrown · 17/03/2015 13:17

Thanks dreaming! I am very wise

OP - was the argument then a doozy? Remember - none of them (including your DS) is going to say much to you that puts them in a very negative light. You say your DS can be difficult - did he say something particularly offensive to your Dsis partner? (because although some posters have called him controlling, he may have had a reason to be furious is a houseguest had a 'robust opinion' about him that was expressed in a rude or needling way)

Have you met Dsis's partner in the past and if so, what was he like?
Is there any way you could meet up with them before the wedding with just Dsis and see if you couldn't smooth this over face to face?

Hope you can get this sorted out so you can buy a hat for the wedding.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 17/03/2015 13:17

I agree that it sounds as though the fiancé had an agenda from the get-go.

I'd go, see your ds, see your sister and then decide about wedding invites.
To rescind his invite was horribly mean Sad

greencottage · 17/03/2015 13:17

Thanks for all your replies. They mirror pretty much exactly what I feel.
I have certainly thought at length about the fiancé and I am concerned. I agree he seems to be isolating her. To add a bit of extra context, in their country he is a bit of a minor celebrity, and I think is very used to being top of the pile.
YearoftheGoat - it's only in recent years they've lived in different countries. For most of his life she's been around.
LulaMay - I agree with everything you say. I'm sure he wasn't perfect in the house, but he's an intelligent, together kind of person, so I can't for the life of me even imagine that he had done something to deserve this.
Vicarscat - of course he could have found a hostel, he's not feeble minded, and in fact he handled it really well, negotiating an early entry into the flat, etc. That's not really what's at issue.

I'm just heartbroken by all this. I love my sister and I love my son, I don't want to hurt my mother.

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simonettavespucci · 17/03/2015 13:19

It seems to me by far the most likely explanation is that your dsis's partner is abusive and resents her links to her family. In which case your son has been badly treated, BUT your dsis is the one in a really bad situation and in need of your support.

OwlCapone · 17/03/2015 13:22

Son.

Vivacia · 17/03/2015 13:22

I think you need to make it very, very clear to your son that you accept his version of events and that you are angry and disappointed with how his aunt treated him.
However, you will not be forced by anyone to abandon your sister. Explain that you are worried about her and will not allow her to become isolated. Try to enlist his support.

iwishicouldsing · 17/03/2015 13:23

She threw your son out of her house in a foreign country he was not familiar with and knew nobody in. I wouldn't worry about what she thinks. I would just go and see my son and have a good time with him. If your son has been uninvited to the wedding they can't be too concerned about your attendance. I'd forget all about the wedding.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/03/2015 13:24

"I have certainly thought at length about the fiancé and I am concerned. I agree he seems to be isolating her. To add a bit of extra context, in their country he is a bit of a minor celebrity, and I think is very used to being top of the pile".

Two red flags right there, particularly the first sentence. He reads like "The Loser" (Dr Joe Carver's words on the subject of abusers is very telling). It is all very concerning; isolating from friends/family is all a part of their overall abusive repertoire. I fear it will be some considerable time after she has married the man that she will realise what a dreadful mistake she has made. I am certain that this situation was engineered by her man in its entirety.

I would not attend her wedding under such a cloud and your primary loyalty here I would argue is to your son, not your sister.

How long have they been together?.

plantsitter · 17/03/2015 13:25

The thing is that even if the DS was a complete pain in the arse when there, surely based on their past relationship your sister could've defended having him there for a few days. I'm just thinking what I might say to my DH- something like 'yes he is being awful isn't he? But he's my nephew and I love him and it's only for a couple of days. Put up with it for my sake please.' That's why it seems to me the DP is controlling/abusive.

Quangle · 17/03/2015 13:27

I think you should take the power back from all these people rescinding invitations and issuing ultimatums. That's not the way to behave.

Either Dsis is in a horribly abusive relationship or more happened at the house than DS is letting on. Either way, it's a complex situation and I think I would explain to your son that you are concerned for your sister and feel a need to be there for the wedding if that's still on the cards. It sounds like he has been horribly treated but your sister is important to you and it's not betraying him to keep channels of communication open until you've found out what's going on. That might mean going to the wedding even if he's not invited but you should be able to explain to him that he has your 100% support but that you need to find out what's happening with Dsis and not provoke a stand off at this point. Once you know more, a stand off might be exactly the right thing to do but it seems to me you don't have the full picture atm.

MatildaTheCat · 17/03/2015 13:28

I second (third?) LulaMay's advice about actually speaking to your dsis. Can you arrange a meeting with her when you arrive before the wedding? Her DP sounds a prize arse and you may need to be very resilient to avoid being isolated from dsis in the coming months. So it's essential you meet her alone.

I would not be attending the wedding from what we have here. If dsis is distraught by this I would possibly attend the ceremony only.

It sounds as if her 'D'P has done an excellent job of dividing the family. You will need to see through that and work hard to keep some kind of communication open.

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