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Terrible situation with pil

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backdatednamechange · 24/02/2015 16:51

I really need some help. Apologies, this will be long.
If you could check my previous threads for background, I'd appreciate it.

DH and I have been on the rocks for a year or so, since having DS.
We had DD late last year and have been working at our marriage.

Apparently not hard enough.

We still fight, still name call, I still cry. Nothing physical, but still pretty abusive. Probably on both sides.

We recently went to his family home 4 hours away to celebrate his birthday. We took the DC. First 2 days were fine.

Third day was his birthday. He was meant to get a lie in ( rarely gets one and was meant to be a birthday treat) but his dad woke him up. He often does this when we visit there. This put DH into a foul mood, and the whole day seemed to go wrong.

Someone was smoking in the house. Before we visited, DH said he had made sure this wouldn't happen. Dd has just had bronchitis and still has a cough, and DS was prem. anyway I asked DH to ask his mum (approachable and understanding) to stop it. I asked nicely. He bit my head off and told me I was looking to be miserable and start an argument.

Trying to put DS boots on, he was screaming cos he is knackered. Fil came over and took the boots away telling me not to put shoes on DS which don't fit. (He wore them at nursery 2 days before). DH came in and saw DS screaming so he started whining about how stressful kids are.

We went for a walk but DH wanted to go right at DS naptime so he was very, very grumpy. Ditto it was over DS lunchtime, so he was hungry. DH combated this by feeding him on the go in his buggy. Not the end of the world but not great as there was no visible end to the meal, so again DS kicked off. He is 23 months btw.

Went to leave and DH sat in the car with the kids while I struggled to collapse and clean (muddy wheels) the new buggy, and to heave it into the boot. When we got into the car I told him that pissed me off and he totally kicked off at me. Saying why was I having a go at him on his birthday. It escalated and I told him that the nap/lunch/DS situation pissed me off too. So DH was really angry at this point.

We got back to pils, I bathed the kids, and went to breast feed and settle dd for a nap. DH came up in between and had a go at me telling me I'd ruined his birthday and calling me names. Then I went downstairs to feed DS. While I was giving him his dinner, DH went to have a drink with a friend. He didn't tell me this, just his dad.

I got DS fed and to bed, (took ages as he was unsettled in strange house and travel cot), and went downstairs. Mil asked me where DH was and I said I didn't know. Fil told us, and then they started quizzing me why DH hadn't told me and what was wrong.

I never usually tell them our problems, but I was already upset that he had disappeared without telling me, leaving me to deal with kids alone and then sit with his parents, and I started to cry. Told them what had happened that day and they started having a go at me. "What did you say to make him angry" "it always takes 2" "you need counselling".
Fil also mentioned something which happened 8 years ago when I was a teenager (DH and I had a row, he told me to leave, so I did, I walked out of his house at midnight) as evidence that I cause arguments.

That really hurt, he doesn't know me that well and I'm married and a mum now.

Anyway I went to bed, and DH came in around 4.
I got up with kids the next morning and left DH sleeping, he deserved at least one lie in.

Anyway, pil started in on me again. More of the same. There is so much that was said but it's hard to all go into here. Things like I'm argumentative, I need help, I twist everything, DH doesn't do anything wrong without me provoking him. Fil insisted on going to wake DH up again. I asked pil not to mention yet that we had talked and we could try and enjoy the rest of the weekend. They agreed.

I went to put DS down for a nap and when I came down, they had told DH everything. He was totally overwhelmed. So he starred trying to talk to me, but pil kept jumping in and speaking for him. We both need counselling and I need individual counselling as I have issues. We are going to destroy our kids. I'm controlling, I'm a narcissist, I think they are monsters, I hate their nationality (I'm 1/4 that nationality and it's in the UK), they lied about things I was saying, mil telling FIL that I was angry about the smoking which I wasn't. They told me I (not we, I) shouldn't have bought a big house as now DH doesn't have enough money (I'm on mat leave and DH has NEVER had enough money). Mil told me that they have seen me with my face like thunder when they tease me cos I hate it and I can't dictate other people's senses of humour (I HATE being teased, it reminds me of being bullied at school) And loads more I can't even remember. It was cruel, abusive, and in front of my baby. I went upstairs to get away from it but felt totally trapped. Not once did DH support me.

This was about 2pm. An hour later DS was climbing the walls so I dressed the kids and went to get the buggy. Told DH I was taking them to playground. Fil over heard and told me I was irresponsible taking dd out in 3degree weather in the afternoon as she had bronchitis and can't be around fag smoke. Told me that if I was going to crucify him for smoking in his own house that no way should I be taking her for a walk.

I said that I take them out every day at home, that fresh air is good for them, and I would be happy to check with the gp about the danger of smoke and benefits of fresh air. Fil was just really snide telling me "oh of course you know what's best you know everything and it's always your way" I just went upstairs crying.

DH came up and we just sat there, he was accusatory at first "you are trying to drive me away from my family" but then he said he was sorry and it was awful. There was a lot of back and forth of this.

We slept (he went and spoke to his parents, not sure what was said but apparently he defended me, then had dinner with his family) and then left the next morning. He insisted that the kids get to say goodbye, which tbh felt like I had my arms chopped off. I left without seeing pil. This was 2 days ago and no contact yet.

I feel gutted. I like mil but there is backstory with fil and I feel like I hate him. I'm certainly scared of him, and so is DH. I feel like I never want to see them again and never want the kids round them, which just isn't possible.

This is a pil post btw. I know I have big problems with DH, but I love him and we are going to still work at it. With counselling too. I think he has been very damaged by his dad and though I'm hurt and angry at him, I also feel very sorry for him.

He recognises his dad has problems and has done a bad thing, but traditionally he and his family sweep problems under the carpet and I just can't do that this time. And he loves them.

Any hand holding, advice, support would be so welcome. I feel I am at the start of a very long, difficult journey. I would like the end of it to be DH, DC, and me, happy.

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FanOfHermione · 23/07/2015 18:49

Also remember that overnights, long stays etc might not be on the agenda for a while, because of bfing, their age etc...

backdatednamechange · 23/07/2015 19:09

They are 2 and 10mo. 10mo still bf but can do a night away now.

He has said if he goes it will be to them.

I can't stop him having contact, and that is where they will be. It makes me feel ill. My babies, with weak lungs, one prem, will be in a nasty, smoky house, taking in all the bigotry. And when they are older, they will realise how pil feel about me.

H just started in on me again. When he was away he kept iPad messaging me and then disappearing, so I asked him to stop messaging me if he couldn't talk, as it meant I was waiting around to speak to him.

He just now told me I made him anxious as I put him in a time frame to communicate. (I didn't)
When he admitted I didn't, he then said well I was putting pressure on him to stay in touch hence why he sent one liners and disappeared.
I said no, I never asked you to stay in touch, I asked you not to message.
His response "well we all have to do as you say don't we, you have to control things"
I said I wasn't being controlling but it was frustrating getting a "how are you" often around midnight, and then me replying and waiting ages, sometimes not going to bed, to hear from him.
He said "well it's not my fault you are too delicate to cope"

I started to cry so I left the room. He then told DS "oh look, mummy's crying again " and started singing a little song about how shit his life is.

I can't do it can I. It's so bloody abusive.

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Atenco · 23/07/2015 19:33

OMG, what a distortion of the term controlling! You poor thing, you cannot allow him to treat you like this and in front of the children.

SmillasSenseOfSnow · 23/07/2015 20:20

You need to be away from this utterly fucked up man.

Ohfourfoxache · 23/07/2015 20:20

Back you CAN do this. I promise you.

You don't think you're strong enough - I understand that. But look at all the shit you're putting up with. Just take a moment to think about how strong you're being by staying like this. This is the hard option. To stay unhappy, to stay being abused, to put up with this shit.

But let's think about the alternative - where you DON'T have to put up with this shit.

There are far wiser MNetters than I who I'm sure will be able to advise you re contact, especially re pils. And as far as attitude is concerned, kids are smart - they know when they're being spun bullshit especially when it's about a fabulous mummy xx

backdatednamechange · 23/07/2015 22:46

I feel so fukcing sick. He is sat downstairs, drinking and laughing, playing playstation, and I'm trapped in my bedroom crying, I haven't eaten, I'm so scared about what's going to happen. I'm totally at his mercy whether he will decide to go or not.

I'm so fucking scared I'll lose the kids. And even if I don't his evil parents will abuse them like they abused him.

Earlier I was talking to him and I bent over and leaned on the laundry basket I was holding. He said " oh are you getting violent now". I was like 2 feet away from him.

I am sure he is falsely trying to build a case against me. I'm so, so sick and terrified.

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Baddz · 23/07/2015 22:51

Call the police and womens aid and get him Out.
Now.

backdatednamechange · 23/07/2015 23:07

He isn't doing anything. He is just so bloody happy.

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Ohfourfoxache · 24/07/2015 00:58

You need to see a solicitor sweetheart. ASAP.

Many will do free 30 minute consultations - get as many as you can.

Get all your documents, passports, certificates, bills, bank statements together. Keep them safe and hidden.

Citizens advice bureau is a good source of advice, as is women's aid.

Write down everything. If you've had other threads about this in the past then either copy them or print them off and keep them safe - they are contemporaneous accounts of what's been going on. But make sure you note what is said and when.

can someone advise or help or offer any suggestions re limit in DC contact with pils?

rumbleinthrjungle · 24/07/2015 08:25

I know the advice is often 'don't leave the house' but if he's lost it this badly can you take the kids and go to a friend or your parents? He sounds mentally unstable and these throwing weird fantasy accusations at you is abusive. I actually wonder if he's having some form of breakdown. So, so sorry you've been dragged down into this family's mess.

FrancesNiadova · 24/07/2015 08:55

Be proactive today:
-Get all those important documents, (passports, birth certificates), together
-Get financial, mortgage, rent information
-Phone women's aid 0808 2000 247 DO IT NOW Brew
-Get a small case of clothes, favourite cuddly, ready in case you have to leave quickly.

He sounds like he's totally influenced by his parents.
I don't like the sound of him leaning over you & making false accusations about violence; he's intimidating you.
Get your exit plan ready & phone that number BrewFlowers

nozzz · 24/07/2015 09:08

You need to make the decision, you.

rumbleinthrjungle · 24/07/2015 21:48

Are you ok OP? Please be careful xx

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bluebell345 · 25/07/2015 10:15

They won't change. Can you live your life like this for many years to come? how about your kids? will they be happy? Forget about you love your dh, etc, these are serious issues and he doesn't deserve to be loved, you love the person him who you wanted to be but he is not.
did you speak to your family about these problems? what do they say? are they supportive? if not, call women's aid. they will help you in every aspect.
be strong, good luck.

Whocansay · 25/07/2015 10:20

Your husband is as abusive as his parents. I can't see what choice you have but to end your relationship with him. I hope you've got some legal advice to protect yourself.

backdatednamechange · 25/07/2015 14:41

Sorry for not posting, I'm perfectly safe, just stupid. I will update soon.

My parents arrive in an hour so will be with them, either at mine or my uncles.

Have patience with me. I'm making mistakes all over and am ashamed to post.

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rumbleinthrjungle · 25/07/2015 15:01

Very relieved to know you're ok OP. You're stuck handling a truly horrible situation, none of this is any shame of yours.

Anniegetyourgun · 25/07/2015 15:18

Hey, it's your life. It's easy to avoid mistakes when you're on the outside looking in, not so easy when you're up to your neck in it. Just update when you can and everyone - well, this is the internet so you might get the odd difficult response, but everyone who is worth listening to - will be supportive.

backdatednamechange · 25/07/2015 15:22

I am ashamed. Took the kids to a friends yesterday ostensibly for me to have break.

Got home, H started interacting like everything was fine, and I basically had a breakdown. Complete wreck, and I don't remember a lot of it. I think my mental health has reached breaking point.

Anyway the upshot was that he was terribly sorry for what he had reduced me to (his words), that he would do anything to fix it, he will leave if I want him to but he doesn't want to, he loves me, etc. This went on for a couple of hours. He then went to the doctors and came back with a script for anti Ds and anti anxiety meds. Kept saying all the right things. Went to collect the kids, cooked dinner, generally cosseted me. I was totally and utterly numb.

This morning he gave me a lie in, took the kids, and was acting lovely, apologising again. And here is where I was stupid. I started to believe him. That maybe my being so broken had actually resonated with him. We had a nice morning and I started to feel I could build on this. With counselling, with meds etc.

Then I was putting DS down for his nap, and while I was doing that, H skyped his parents behind my back. I went downstairs and he shushed me and told me he would be a couple of minutes. I couldn't go in my living room or the garden as they would have seen me. The shock I got seeing his dad's face in my safe space was huge. The last time I saw that face it was spitting venom at me.

I went upstairs and just cried. Sobbed and sobbed. H came up and apologised, and I couldn't say anything. When I didn't accept his apology he turned nasty and told me I was choosing to take us back to square one. That he could have and should have done this to my parents (gone NC) many times in the past but he didn't for my sake so why can't I do that for him.

So we've gone from him loving me and being sorry, to skyping behind my back and again telling me I should just move on from the situation with his parents.

Yet he insists I should forgive him and he is sorry and all will be fine. I'm just so numb. Stuck upstairs right now before I collect my parents.

And it's always going to be like this isn't it! He is telling me that over and over yet I still let myself believe otherwise. And I am stupid. And I was scared to come here and tell you this because I am so ashamed.

I hate this so much. It's just a horrific cycle. I can't believe the power his parents have over him.

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backdatednamechange · 25/07/2015 15:23

*skyped his parents WITH my DD. I have no issue with him communicating with his parents though I would prefer not to see or hear it.

It's the fact he went against me to please his parents and have again exposed my baby to their particular brand of unpleasantness.

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