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At my wits end re. fiancé and housework (long, sorry)

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 17:33

Name changed for this, as OH knows MN name, but I am a regular. I apologise in advance for the extremely long post, I just really need to get this off my chest.

Been with OH 3.5 years. Wedding booked for this autumn. Both mid thirties. From the word go, we really “got” each other, had buckets of chemistry and loads of shared interests. We make each other laugh have a good social life both together and separately and are never short on conversation. He is sensible with money, emotionally stable, hates conflict has never been mistrustful or controlling. Lucky me, right?

He is also infuriatingly messy and scatter-brained. I am naturally tidy and organised, and I knew full well when he moved into the house I own 2 years ago that realistically there would be some friction, but it’s got to the point where it’s really wearing me down. It’s like I have to micromanage everything, or it never gets done.

For example, if I don’t remind him it’s bin day, the bin never gets put out, or I end up doing it myself as I just can’t be bothered to remind him a dozen times before he actually does it.
Last month he painted the garden fence and the tin and brush are still out there in the garden getting rained on every day. I keep asking him to bring it in, but he keeps “forgetting”. Ditto with turning the TV off after he’s finished watching it, making the bed when he’s last out of it, changing the toilet roll when he’s used the last of it, removing hair from the plughole after he’s had a bath…

I do the laundry, but only iron my own clothes. He can’t be bothered to iron his, so I leave it in a pile for him to hang up, but he never does and it’s there for days on end, me constantly reminding him to do it, him saying he will, then forgetting. His boss at work reprimanded him because he was such a scruffy state, but even since then he’s refusing to iron his shirts or polish his shoes – he remains insistent that it’s not a priority. I was so worried about him losing his job at one point, that I started doing this for him, hoping it would guilt trip him into doing it himself, but instead of this or even saying thank you, he just said that I was wasting my time!

The other day I asked him to hang a sweater of mine to dry (ie: on a hanger in the utility room). He simply hung it over the door, so it ended up misshapen, then proceeded to smoke in the room, so it stank! Don’t even get me started on the smoking…at first I said fine as long as it’s in the garden, then it was on the back step, then it was in the kitchen with the door constantly wide open, come rain, shine or artic temperatures. I got very upset about this on Monday and now the smoking has moved outside again (he claims he wants to quit and he hates the habit, but that’s another story) There is an ashtray in the garden, but rather than using it, he just throws the fag ends arbitrarily in the garden. I pulled him up on this yesterday and he made some halfhearted apology, but when I went down there again this morning, he’d done exactly the same thing!

Every new item of clothing he has had since we have been together I have bought and paid for because he’s not remotely bothered about his appearance, to the point where he would quite happily walk around with holes in his shoes and trousers. He said he was extremely grateful for the clothes, but still in his eyes they weren’t a priority (He earns good money, it’s not like he can’t afford new clothes) He’s constantly leaving pens in his pockets and I do my best to check them before they go in the washing machine, but not long ago he snuck a pair of trousers in at the last minute and when I took the laundry out at the end EVERYTHING had been covered in permanent marker, including an expensive dress I had only worn once!!

He’ll wash up and hoover if I ask him, but never to the standard I do it, ie: he never rinses the sink so there is always food stuck in the plughole and he never hoovers properly in the corners. I don’t moan about this, because at least doing something is better than nothing. Beyond that, he never notices other cleaning jobs that need doing, so it’s always me that keeps on top of things, not to mention being the only one who notices when household stuff needs replacing and cupboards need tidying.

Admittedly, he is a fantastic cook and will cook perhaps 1-2 times per week. I cook the rest of the time which I don’t mind, as I enjoy cooking and he works longer hours than I do. I am also responsible for all meal planning and buying of food, which again I don’t especially mind, because it means that I get to choose what I want!

He is a highly intelligent man (admittedly more in an intellectual way than a pragmatic way) and he has no problem retaining information relating to other facets of his life, it’s as if it’s in one ear and out the other when it comes to domestic tasks because he places no importance on them. It’s not like he’s a mummy’s boy who’s never had to fend for himself either – he comes from a large family with parents who always encouraged him to stand on his own two feet and he had lived away from home for well over 10 years before he moved in with me. The majority of that time he spent in a shared house, living with women who have now become some of my closest friends. They didn’t mollycoddle him either and apparently used to despair at they mess he made and his lack of common sense. They have nothing but praise for him in every other aspect of his nature though – they see him as their loyal, caring and valued friend.

I have tried to talk to him countless times about how his sloth makes me feel and the impact that it’s having on our otherwise fantastic relationship – I have told him that it’s eroding the love I have for him and what’s more, it’s completely unnecessary as if only he helped a bit more I wouldn’t have to spend my time nagging him – I hate nagging as much as he hates being nagged! I said to him that even if having a clean, tidy, ordered home is not a priority to him in the way it is to me, if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake. He keeps saying he will (and indeed extends a great deal of respect to me in every other facet of our relationship) but the effort is always incredibly short lived. I tried the trick of stopping doing anything for him and he didn’t even notice, it just drove me nuts! He claims that he hates being micromanaged and that he just wants to be his own person. He seemed to be under the impression that I actually enjoyed being some sort of bloody site foreman!

I suppose the issue of our domestic compatibility is weighing heavier on my mind than usual because of our imminent wedding. I can’t stress how much in EVERY other respect I couldn’t ask for a more compatible partner an at 36 and wanting kids I certainly wouldn’t want to start all over again, but now I’m starting to imagine a life with him post wedding with children of our own. Surely the strain of our domestic situation will only get worse, given the chaos that small children can cause. I fear this issue might encroach on the other otherwise happy areas of our life to the extent where it damages our relationship irreparably. I know it sounds horribly calculating, but I am the one with all the finances assets in our relationship, so I certainly don’t want to be going through a divorce 5 years down the line.

What is your take on my situation? Am I being overly fussy and petty? How do you cope if you have a DH who doesn’t pull him weight domestically? Would this be a deal breaker for you if the relationship was otherwise great? How the hell do I move forward with this issue?

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 20/02/2015 23:15

OH works with kids on a daily basis and is bloody brilliant with them, so I’ve no doubt that he would be a brilliant dad (albeit I would be the one nagging them to brush their teeth, etc!)

Yes, he will be another of those 'brilliant dads', who have imaginative games with the children, make up fabulous stories for them, run around the park/beach with them and then vanish to more 'important' things when nappies need changing, or tea needs to be made or a sick child needs tending in the night or homework needs helping with now.

The way he is acting now does not a brilliant dad make.

Nanny0gg · 20/02/2015 23:16

You're not really selling us to him, are you OP?

Not really selling him to us either...

Lancelottie · 20/02/2015 23:18

What NannyOgg has highlighted is a brilliant uncle, not dad.

PoppyField · 20/02/2015 23:18

I am sure your DP knows you want children more than he does. That is where he thinks he has a total free pass. From the way he behaves, he must feel absolutely certain that you - at the age of 36 - would not risk leaving him now. After all she's got it made hasn't she? Lovely chap, good earner, real charmer - how could anyone be so petty as to split up a good thing over something as stupid as housework?

I think the children thing is where he (concsiously or unconsciously - let's give him the benefit of the doubt) thinks he has you by the short and curlies.

Let's face it, his behaviour is somewhat smug and self-satisfied. He really doesn't think you would leave him. He is counting on you being desperate for kids and has already put his feet up!

Seriously, you have invited him to live in your home and he disrespects it. You are about to commit to sharing everything with him. Think hard.

VioletMoon4683 · 20/02/2015 23:25

Poppy op could easily be disempowering her partner by organising what to cook and buying the ingredients on his cooking days. The best option would be for OP to mention that she hasn't organised anything to eat and then leave him to it and not organise him.

trackrBird · 20/02/2015 23:31

What PoppyField said is what I'm thinking:

"If this man is going to be your life partner for the coming decades, he should care 100% that you care about this. 'If it makes Fedup unhappy,' he should be thinking, 'then it makes me unhappy. Therefore, I am going to make sure my behaviour does not upset her because I care so much about her. She is my number one person and she is worth overriding my natural slovenly tendencies for.' "

It's not about the details of what he does or doesn't do, or whether a particular standard of cleaning is necessary or not; it's about thinking of you. His attitude towards you.

Of course it's only a sketch we see here, an outline of something that concerns you. But I have a picture of a house YOU bought, with your own efforts, in which he lives, leaving a trail of minor domestic destruction.

The garden your parents plant and maintain, which he chucks cigarette butts into.

The kitchen table at which he sits, while you cook and clean around him.

Your lovely dress, covered in marker pen.

:(

Nearasdammit · 20/02/2015 23:32

I'm the slob in our relationship - or I was.

I've got tidier. He's relaxed a bit.

It takes effort on both sides but if one isn't on board you're sunk.

SecondRow · 20/02/2015 23:37

I really dislike the word anal applied to something detailed, organized or orderly. It's really silencing, rubbishing something you are saying is important. He won't engage at all with talking about it, will he?

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 23:39

"The best option would be for OP to mention that she hasn't organised anything to eat and then leave him to it and not organise him."
I did this today - we have friends staying over Saturday night and I said to him "Can you go to the supermarket and buy ingredients for the evening meal?" He looked at my blankly and said "what do you want me to buy?" I said: "I don't mind, use your judgment" (given that he always cooks when we're entertaining) He looked dumbfounded, went out, had a coffee at a friends house, came back with no food and now professes that he'll go to the supermarket in the morning...

OP posts:
Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 23:41

Btw, he was off work today...

OP posts:
PoppyField · 20/02/2015 23:44

Go out all day tomorrow. Get up early and go for a run/coffee/gym. Check local cinema listings and treat yourself to a good film. Go shopping. Anything. Totally check out tomorrow and get on with whatever you want to do... but make it out of the house.

Disengage and see what happens. Come back in time to offer to lay the table or uncork the wine.

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 23:44

It's not just being applied to something organised, it's being applied to functioning as an adult in a grown-up relationship.

It's dismissing the OP, and implying that any issue she has with his behaviour is her problem.

It's a way of cutting any discussion dead by making the OP out to be in the wrong.

It's totally disrespectful, and worse, it's impossible to negotiate with someone who does that.

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 23:46

^That was in reply to SecondRow

VioletMoon4683 · 20/02/2015 23:46

OP - so leave him to shop and cook the meal for friends. Don't remind him. Don't sweep in at last minute and save him. Go out and have a coffee, go to the gym or whatever instead

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 23:47

He looked at my blankly and said "what do you want me to buy mum?"

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 23:47

My good friend and her two teenage boys are coming to stay with us tomorrow. I predict that he will be utterly engaging and entertain the boys while my friend and I put the world to rights over a few glasses of wine and my friend (single parent) will say: "Your OH is bloody brilliant". Then on Sunday, after they leave, I will end up clearing up the mess while OH plays on the computer...

OP posts:
Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 23:49

No, you will not clear up the mess. This mother thing is over. He has to grow up OP.

Nanny0gg · 20/02/2015 23:55

Fedupwithmess

You've had lots of ideas and advice on here. I'm not actually sensing that you want to do anything about the situation though.
I think you'll put up with it, marry him and then wonder what you've done in 5/10 years' time when you have a couple of DC to look after as well as him.

VanitasVanitatum · 20/02/2015 23:55

Sounds like you are just fundamentally incompatible for living together. Why should he have to spend his Sunday cleaning when he just doesn't care if the house is a mess; it's not like he expects it tidy but doesn't think he should be doing it - he just would be happy in a messy house.

If you love him enough, get a cleaner. If you don't, tell him weddings off and it's up to him if he wants to compromise his choice of lifestyle for you.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 23:57

Nanny I honestly wouldn't have wasted time posting on here if I wasn't receptive to all the advice with an open mind to doing something about it. I gratefully appreciate all advice given. I just need time for it all to sink in...

OP posts:
VioletMoon4683 · 21/02/2015 00:00

So tell her the truth

'Your oh is bloody brilliant'
'Omg, no he's not. He's a total lazy fucker and doesn't pull his weight at all. At a push he will cook a meal when we have guests. It's making me question our future together'

LucyBealesGhost · 21/02/2015 00:01

he always cooks when we're entertaining

Oh, nice Hmm He gets to show everyone else that he's a proper grown-up, who can cook & everything, and receive praise for it. Behind closed doors - every day of any week - he treats you like his maid/mother/cook, dismissing even your concerns.

He's not sounding very nice really, Fedup. Sorry :(

"you pair of idle chauvinist slobs" Grin Love this!

Handywoman · 21/02/2015 00:03

Me ex was also charm personified in public. Friends (who I was not close, to, or who we only saw occasionally) would say how wonderful he was, as a partner. He was totally different when we had company.

I had to rewrite that story after I kicked him out.

It was all an act.

VioletMoon4683 · 21/02/2015 00:03

Yes cooking for guests makes him look like he pulls his weight and everyone can swoon over how wonderful he is when in fact he isn't.

LucyBealesGhost · 21/02/2015 00:03

Good advice, Violet. Of course you must tell her, Fedup!

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