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At my wits end re. fiancé and housework (long, sorry)

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 17:33

Name changed for this, as OH knows MN name, but I am a regular. I apologise in advance for the extremely long post, I just really need to get this off my chest.

Been with OH 3.5 years. Wedding booked for this autumn. Both mid thirties. From the word go, we really “got” each other, had buckets of chemistry and loads of shared interests. We make each other laugh have a good social life both together and separately and are never short on conversation. He is sensible with money, emotionally stable, hates conflict has never been mistrustful or controlling. Lucky me, right?

He is also infuriatingly messy and scatter-brained. I am naturally tidy and organised, and I knew full well when he moved into the house I own 2 years ago that realistically there would be some friction, but it’s got to the point where it’s really wearing me down. It’s like I have to micromanage everything, or it never gets done.

For example, if I don’t remind him it’s bin day, the bin never gets put out, or I end up doing it myself as I just can’t be bothered to remind him a dozen times before he actually does it.
Last month he painted the garden fence and the tin and brush are still out there in the garden getting rained on every day. I keep asking him to bring it in, but he keeps “forgetting”. Ditto with turning the TV off after he’s finished watching it, making the bed when he’s last out of it, changing the toilet roll when he’s used the last of it, removing hair from the plughole after he’s had a bath…

I do the laundry, but only iron my own clothes. He can’t be bothered to iron his, so I leave it in a pile for him to hang up, but he never does and it’s there for days on end, me constantly reminding him to do it, him saying he will, then forgetting. His boss at work reprimanded him because he was such a scruffy state, but even since then he’s refusing to iron his shirts or polish his shoes – he remains insistent that it’s not a priority. I was so worried about him losing his job at one point, that I started doing this for him, hoping it would guilt trip him into doing it himself, but instead of this or even saying thank you, he just said that I was wasting my time!

The other day I asked him to hang a sweater of mine to dry (ie: on a hanger in the utility room). He simply hung it over the door, so it ended up misshapen, then proceeded to smoke in the room, so it stank! Don’t even get me started on the smoking…at first I said fine as long as it’s in the garden, then it was on the back step, then it was in the kitchen with the door constantly wide open, come rain, shine or artic temperatures. I got very upset about this on Monday and now the smoking has moved outside again (he claims he wants to quit and he hates the habit, but that’s another story) There is an ashtray in the garden, but rather than using it, he just throws the fag ends arbitrarily in the garden. I pulled him up on this yesterday and he made some halfhearted apology, but when I went down there again this morning, he’d done exactly the same thing!

Every new item of clothing he has had since we have been together I have bought and paid for because he’s not remotely bothered about his appearance, to the point where he would quite happily walk around with holes in his shoes and trousers. He said he was extremely grateful for the clothes, but still in his eyes they weren’t a priority (He earns good money, it’s not like he can’t afford new clothes) He’s constantly leaving pens in his pockets and I do my best to check them before they go in the washing machine, but not long ago he snuck a pair of trousers in at the last minute and when I took the laundry out at the end EVERYTHING had been covered in permanent marker, including an expensive dress I had only worn once!!

He’ll wash up and hoover if I ask him, but never to the standard I do it, ie: he never rinses the sink so there is always food stuck in the plughole and he never hoovers properly in the corners. I don’t moan about this, because at least doing something is better than nothing. Beyond that, he never notices other cleaning jobs that need doing, so it’s always me that keeps on top of things, not to mention being the only one who notices when household stuff needs replacing and cupboards need tidying.

Admittedly, he is a fantastic cook and will cook perhaps 1-2 times per week. I cook the rest of the time which I don’t mind, as I enjoy cooking and he works longer hours than I do. I am also responsible for all meal planning and buying of food, which again I don’t especially mind, because it means that I get to choose what I want!

He is a highly intelligent man (admittedly more in an intellectual way than a pragmatic way) and he has no problem retaining information relating to other facets of his life, it’s as if it’s in one ear and out the other when it comes to domestic tasks because he places no importance on them. It’s not like he’s a mummy’s boy who’s never had to fend for himself either – he comes from a large family with parents who always encouraged him to stand on his own two feet and he had lived away from home for well over 10 years before he moved in with me. The majority of that time he spent in a shared house, living with women who have now become some of my closest friends. They didn’t mollycoddle him either and apparently used to despair at they mess he made and his lack of common sense. They have nothing but praise for him in every other aspect of his nature though – they see him as their loyal, caring and valued friend.

I have tried to talk to him countless times about how his sloth makes me feel and the impact that it’s having on our otherwise fantastic relationship – I have told him that it’s eroding the love I have for him and what’s more, it’s completely unnecessary as if only he helped a bit more I wouldn’t have to spend my time nagging him – I hate nagging as much as he hates being nagged! I said to him that even if having a clean, tidy, ordered home is not a priority to him in the way it is to me, if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake. He keeps saying he will (and indeed extends a great deal of respect to me in every other facet of our relationship) but the effort is always incredibly short lived. I tried the trick of stopping doing anything for him and he didn’t even notice, it just drove me nuts! He claims that he hates being micromanaged and that he just wants to be his own person. He seemed to be under the impression that I actually enjoyed being some sort of bloody site foreman!

I suppose the issue of our domestic compatibility is weighing heavier on my mind than usual because of our imminent wedding. I can’t stress how much in EVERY other respect I couldn’t ask for a more compatible partner an at 36 and wanting kids I certainly wouldn’t want to start all over again, but now I’m starting to imagine a life with him post wedding with children of our own. Surely the strain of our domestic situation will only get worse, given the chaos that small children can cause. I fear this issue might encroach on the other otherwise happy areas of our life to the extent where it damages our relationship irreparably. I know it sounds horribly calculating, but I am the one with all the finances assets in our relationship, so I certainly don’t want to be going through a divorce 5 years down the line.

What is your take on my situation? Am I being overly fussy and petty? How do you cope if you have a DH who doesn’t pull him weight domestically? Would this be a deal breaker for you if the relationship was otherwise great? How the hell do I move forward with this issue?

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:21

YesIDidMeanToBeSoRudeActually

No, he's not in medicine, more of a creative field.

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springydaffs · 20/02/2015 22:22

The boss who told him to smarten up - is she a woman?

SecondRow · 20/02/2015 22:25

X post (slow typing here!)
I see he does genuinely work long hours. Are the 3 hours in the evening essential, do you think?

Just wondering where he is physically when most of the housework gets done? Would you feel differently if he was in his study working versus lifting his feet while you try to Hoover under the couch?

I must say I sometimes get the rage when I see DP lying on the couch during children-awake hours. Even though he really does do a lot with them. And I have no problem at all with him having pre-agreed lie-ins, and I get mine too, but I stay in the bedroom ! And when we're both on duty, we both stay switched on - that's how I feel about it.

Anyway, tangent, but do you get what I mean? Could he agreed to one hour a day where you both "get stuff done" together? Yes, this doesn't remove the wifework, headspace, planning/responsibility problem, but could it be a start?

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:25

Peggy you have summed up my OH to a tee!

AF believe, me "the hand" is listening - she wouldn't have posted otherwise...

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:27

"Do you get any sleep?" - Um, no, not much! Good training for having kids, I suppose...

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:37

springydaffs the boss who told him to smarten up is not a woman, rather a gay man.

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:39

"Just wondering where he is physically when most of the housework gets done?" He is sitting at the table in our kitchen diner while I cook / clean around him. The dining table has somehow turned into his designated office space, because he doesn't have space elsewhere!! He rarely retreats to the sofa, but then again. neither do I...

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TheBug · 20/02/2015 22:41

Sorry to hijack thread, OP, but I just wanted to reply to cailin.

Oh dear, Bug, are you ok? Do you have a thread on the go?

Thanks for asking, cailin. I did start a thread a while back, but not currently, no.

Honestly? I'm not sure if I'm ok. I'm just about getting through the days, which is something. I could live without my frustration and resentment eating away at me constantly though, really sucks the joy out of life even when DP isn't there.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:45

And I'm pretty sure the work he takes hime with him wouldn't take half as long if he didn't have an audiobook / computer game / Facebook open in a second window...

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:45

*home

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VioletMoon4683 · 20/02/2015 22:45

Did you read my rota suggestion

TheBug · 20/02/2015 22:46

Good training for having kids, I suppose...

For many people (though not all) baby tired is a whole other kind of tired.

TheBug · 20/02/2015 22:53

The trouble with rotas is they require a degree of cooperation. When 'forgetfulness' is an issue, rotas can get overlooked too.

Handywoman · 20/02/2015 22:53

So with computer stuff on the go too, he is having leisure time while you clean around him?

This would give me the rage.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:59

handywoman Yes, it enrages me too!

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SecondRow · 20/02/2015 23:00

Ah there you go then. He's not working 14 hours days, he's pissing about on the internet while you wifework. The resentment is already there.

By the way, how badly does he want children? have you already discussed maternity leave finances, costs of childcare, philosophies of what kind of childhood you want to provide for your kids?

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 23:01

Violet Yes I read your rota suggestion. I have tried that. It prompts the "you're being anal" response in the same way that my log of things I do around the house does!

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Lancelottie · 20/02/2015 23:02

Well, one good effect of having this thread open is that when I looked at the kitchen earlier and discovered that the kids (teenage boys) had buggered off and left the mess for the house fairies, my yell of 'Get back down here and clear up you pair of idle chauvinist slobs!' had, I like to think, the combined wrath of about 20 frustrated MNetters behind it.

They got down here instantly. They scrubbed everything.

Ahhhhh, that's better.

Handywoman · 20/02/2015 23:02

Before you get married, OP, please read the book Wifework.

Mylifepart2 · 20/02/2015 23:03

So dismissive. So disrespectful.
To a simple constructive reasonable suggestion.

PoppyField · 20/02/2015 23:03

Hi OP,

Just read the thread. I've read lots of 'DP won't pull his weight' threads on here - usually they've got kids already and the habits are even more entrenched. Often women find that they take on all the domestic duties during maternity leave that previously were equally shared. Then, when they go back to work they find that their DH/DP has no intention of going back to equal shares and they are the ones complaining/nagging/being a control freak. It can drain the love out of any relationship. You think you are a team and suddenly... er, you're not.

It is interesting that you are on the lower slopes of this particular mountain, and that this has come up before marriage and before children. You are right to be concerned.

What this comes down to, as others have said along the way, is that this is a respect issue, not even a housekeeping issue. In essence, this could be about anything... but for you it is about his laziness, smoking, slovenly habits etc, which are pretty objectionable. The point is that you have told him again and again how much this upsets you, how having a reasonably clean and tidy home is important to you. You have not failed to communicate here! The message has got through, the crunch comes when he fails to act. The reason he fails to act is because he doesn't care enough. Otherwise, surely, he would maintain the effort. The thing that is itching at you is the worrying voice in the back of your head which whispers 'He doesn't care enough about your feelings to change his behavioiur'. Ergo, he really doesn't have enough respect for you.

If this man is going to be your life partner for the coming decades, he should care 100% that you care about this. 'If it makes Fedup unhappy,' he should be thinking, 'then it makes me unhappy. Therefore, I am going to make sure my behaviour does not upset her because I care so much about her. She is my number one person and she is worth overriding my natural slovenly tendencies for.'

This is not what he is thinking. He is thinking it will all be fine. Yada yada yada. That if he gives you enough laughter, charm, entertainment etc., that will enable all the other stuff to get overlooked (by you). He is coasting. He does not believe that you are serious or that you might consider this to be a deal-breaker.

I promise you it is a deal-breaker, NOT because he is a slob (which he is) but because he does not respect your feelings and the things you care about.

The things you care about are valid. You are not many years into this relationship and he is not even pretending to put himself out for you. He's called you a nag already!

Good luck with this. Listen to your little voice.

p.s. please ignore VioletMoon's nonsense! you must be careful not to disempower him. What total tosh! You must be careful he doesn't disempower you with all his avoidance/stonewalling/headjamming inaction.

Lancelottie · 20/02/2015 23:04

Have you tried 'Unless you want to share the house with a very angry partner for the next 40 years, you'd better make like a normal human being and clear up'?

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 23:05

I don't think he wants children half as much as I do. In the sense that having kids seems like an appealing suggestion to him as an abstract concept, ie: he craves the love they would inspire, but I'm unsure how much the day-to-day reality of having them would appeal to him when it actually happens...

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Lancelottie · 20/02/2015 23:10

Oh god, he's going to think you 'make too much fuss' about the little niggly things like making sure the kids have clean teeth, clean beds and a non-smoky house too.

And that you fuss about car seat safety, and a balanced diet, and not letting them swallow crap off the floor, and basically anything else he might have to get off his backside about.

And that if he takes them to school, anyone who notices that they have tangled hair and dirty uniform is just another anal, over-fussy idiot.

And when you mention that actually it's a red flag for neglect, he will be utterly disbelieving.

lotsofcheese · 20/02/2015 23:14

You're not really selling us to him, are you OP? ??