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At my wits end re. fiancé and housework (long, sorry)

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 17:33

Name changed for this, as OH knows MN name, but I am a regular. I apologise in advance for the extremely long post, I just really need to get this off my chest.

Been with OH 3.5 years. Wedding booked for this autumn. Both mid thirties. From the word go, we really “got” each other, had buckets of chemistry and loads of shared interests. We make each other laugh have a good social life both together and separately and are never short on conversation. He is sensible with money, emotionally stable, hates conflict has never been mistrustful or controlling. Lucky me, right?

He is also infuriatingly messy and scatter-brained. I am naturally tidy and organised, and I knew full well when he moved into the house I own 2 years ago that realistically there would be some friction, but it’s got to the point where it’s really wearing me down. It’s like I have to micromanage everything, or it never gets done.

For example, if I don’t remind him it’s bin day, the bin never gets put out, or I end up doing it myself as I just can’t be bothered to remind him a dozen times before he actually does it.
Last month he painted the garden fence and the tin and brush are still out there in the garden getting rained on every day. I keep asking him to bring it in, but he keeps “forgetting”. Ditto with turning the TV off after he’s finished watching it, making the bed when he’s last out of it, changing the toilet roll when he’s used the last of it, removing hair from the plughole after he’s had a bath…

I do the laundry, but only iron my own clothes. He can’t be bothered to iron his, so I leave it in a pile for him to hang up, but he never does and it’s there for days on end, me constantly reminding him to do it, him saying he will, then forgetting. His boss at work reprimanded him because he was such a scruffy state, but even since then he’s refusing to iron his shirts or polish his shoes – he remains insistent that it’s not a priority. I was so worried about him losing his job at one point, that I started doing this for him, hoping it would guilt trip him into doing it himself, but instead of this or even saying thank you, he just said that I was wasting my time!

The other day I asked him to hang a sweater of mine to dry (ie: on a hanger in the utility room). He simply hung it over the door, so it ended up misshapen, then proceeded to smoke in the room, so it stank! Don’t even get me started on the smoking…at first I said fine as long as it’s in the garden, then it was on the back step, then it was in the kitchen with the door constantly wide open, come rain, shine or artic temperatures. I got very upset about this on Monday and now the smoking has moved outside again (he claims he wants to quit and he hates the habit, but that’s another story) There is an ashtray in the garden, but rather than using it, he just throws the fag ends arbitrarily in the garden. I pulled him up on this yesterday and he made some halfhearted apology, but when I went down there again this morning, he’d done exactly the same thing!

Every new item of clothing he has had since we have been together I have bought and paid for because he’s not remotely bothered about his appearance, to the point where he would quite happily walk around with holes in his shoes and trousers. He said he was extremely grateful for the clothes, but still in his eyes they weren’t a priority (He earns good money, it’s not like he can’t afford new clothes) He’s constantly leaving pens in his pockets and I do my best to check them before they go in the washing machine, but not long ago he snuck a pair of trousers in at the last minute and when I took the laundry out at the end EVERYTHING had been covered in permanent marker, including an expensive dress I had only worn once!!

He’ll wash up and hoover if I ask him, but never to the standard I do it, ie: he never rinses the sink so there is always food stuck in the plughole and he never hoovers properly in the corners. I don’t moan about this, because at least doing something is better than nothing. Beyond that, he never notices other cleaning jobs that need doing, so it’s always me that keeps on top of things, not to mention being the only one who notices when household stuff needs replacing and cupboards need tidying.

Admittedly, he is a fantastic cook and will cook perhaps 1-2 times per week. I cook the rest of the time which I don’t mind, as I enjoy cooking and he works longer hours than I do. I am also responsible for all meal planning and buying of food, which again I don’t especially mind, because it means that I get to choose what I want!

He is a highly intelligent man (admittedly more in an intellectual way than a pragmatic way) and he has no problem retaining information relating to other facets of his life, it’s as if it’s in one ear and out the other when it comes to domestic tasks because he places no importance on them. It’s not like he’s a mummy’s boy who’s never had to fend for himself either – he comes from a large family with parents who always encouraged him to stand on his own two feet and he had lived away from home for well over 10 years before he moved in with me. The majority of that time he spent in a shared house, living with women who have now become some of my closest friends. They didn’t mollycoddle him either and apparently used to despair at they mess he made and his lack of common sense. They have nothing but praise for him in every other aspect of his nature though – they see him as their loyal, caring and valued friend.

I have tried to talk to him countless times about how his sloth makes me feel and the impact that it’s having on our otherwise fantastic relationship – I have told him that it’s eroding the love I have for him and what’s more, it’s completely unnecessary as if only he helped a bit more I wouldn’t have to spend my time nagging him – I hate nagging as much as he hates being nagged! I said to him that even if having a clean, tidy, ordered home is not a priority to him in the way it is to me, if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake. He keeps saying he will (and indeed extends a great deal of respect to me in every other facet of our relationship) but the effort is always incredibly short lived. I tried the trick of stopping doing anything for him and he didn’t even notice, it just drove me nuts! He claims that he hates being micromanaged and that he just wants to be his own person. He seemed to be under the impression that I actually enjoyed being some sort of bloody site foreman!

I suppose the issue of our domestic compatibility is weighing heavier on my mind than usual because of our imminent wedding. I can’t stress how much in EVERY other respect I couldn’t ask for a more compatible partner an at 36 and wanting kids I certainly wouldn’t want to start all over again, but now I’m starting to imagine a life with him post wedding with children of our own. Surely the strain of our domestic situation will only get worse, given the chaos that small children can cause. I fear this issue might encroach on the other otherwise happy areas of our life to the extent where it damages our relationship irreparably. I know it sounds horribly calculating, but I am the one with all the finances assets in our relationship, so I certainly don’t want to be going through a divorce 5 years down the line.

What is your take on my situation? Am I being overly fussy and petty? How do you cope if you have a DH who doesn’t pull him weight domestically? Would this be a deal breaker for you if the relationship was otherwise great? How the hell do I move forward with this issue?

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Postchildrenpregranny · 20/02/2015 21:44

PS And he loves me-truly, madly ,deeply . And I him

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 21:45

Quangle – leaving radio / TV on all day comes down to me not wishing to waste electricity.
I guess I spend 2 – 3 hrs doing housework every day (this includes cooking evening meal, laundry, ironing, washing up, general tidying, food shopping, organising house maintenance, ie: recently we’ve need a new kitchen floor and the glass replacing in our windows, so I’ve been shopping around for competitive quotes). I’m certainly not on the OCD scale, I just like to keep on top of things.
Timings could easily be halved if OH pulled his weight…

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Manic3mum · 20/02/2015 21:46

You have pretty much described my relationship with my husband except that we have 3 kids and 2 dogs too. So I completely get where you are coming from.
We have cleaners once a week and ship the ironing out to my mum (he pays) and the rest of the jobs I do, and then request he assists from time to time.
I'm prepared to forgive him his domestic drawbacks because I love him and wouldn't want to be with anyone else. I just have to take lots of deep breaths from time to time!

VioletMoon4683 · 20/02/2015 21:52

Not ironing, not hoovering in corners and not having an interest in clothes wouldn't make any difference to me. Non really deeply matter to me.

Not pulling his weight specifically when he has agreed to would be an issue though.

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 21:53

It's bloody lucky that all these men with 'domestic drawbacks' have women who love them.

I don't love anyone enough to be their skivvy.

Lancelottie · 20/02/2015 21:53

TB and HBC are divorced? Damn.

Looks lie even having your own house won't cut the mustard then.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 21:53

"The OP mentions the hours she devotes to housework and I'm a bit puzzled. If I didn't have two DC it wouldn't really be much of an issue at all."
I've been working a good 15 hrs a day to get my PhD, so 2-3 hrs on top of that doing housework is a lot, if I want to sleep in addition to that! OH generally spends around 11 hrs in the workplace every day, then another 3 hrs on top of that working at home every night, so yeah, it is a lot...
God help us if we add DC into the mix...

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HowCanIMissYouIfYouWontGoAway · 20/02/2015 21:53

bugger. Can't find it. It was brilliant as well.

Talked about how she sat down with her partner and told him that by leaving her to do everything, he was stealing hours of her life in order to free his own.

Except she put it so much better.

Lancelottie · 20/02/2015 21:54

Oh, I don't skivvy. I'm pretty scruffy myself. But other people's mess is just far, far more annoying than your own.

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 21:55

God help you if you add DC OP, your partner has it made...

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 21:57

AnyFucker my parents have been happily married for 46 years and there's no way that would the case if my dad was unfairly disparaging towards women. My mother has an acerbic tongue and takes even less shit than you do! I wholly trust my dad's judgment on this woman...

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 21:58

*that would be

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VioletMoon4683 · 20/02/2015 21:58

Yes I read the stealing time thing and it really made me think. It was something to do with a poster getting cross with her partner failing to pull his weight. He claimed to love her but she questioned that because he consistently stole her time by leaving her to do all the cleaning. She pointed out that she could never retrieve that time and that he was in fact using her time

ThatBloodyWoman · 20/02/2015 21:59

I did that chore wars thing.
I do more chores than him,but have way more free time to bugger about on mn.

Mylifepart2 · 20/02/2015 22:01

if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake

OP this is how you feel.

He is thoroughly resistant to compromising, meeting in the middle or making any effort to demonstrate respect for you on both a practical and intellectual level.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:01

HowCanIMissYou shame you can't find it, because your "stealing your time" comment has really hit a nerve!

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peggyundercrackers · 20/02/2015 22:06

AF your post made me laugh because if you look at your statement from a different POV it made me think just because some random woman on MN think OPs DP is lazy doesn't mean it's gospel...

OP your DP sounds a bit eccentric and sounds a bit like someone I used to work with, when he was at work he was a bit like a mad professor type - really clever, very scruffy looking, mad mad hair, very intellectual but was very likeable. No idea what the his home life was like though, I'm sure it would have been colourful though - ther was certainly never a dull moment at work.

SecondRow · 20/02/2015 22:07

Ah I keep thinking it's all been said on this thread but there it is again... The 99% / 1% thing. Really? Will this stuff really only impact on 1% of your life, OP?

It's already been calculated that he's stealing at least 1-1.5 hours a day of your time. And that's without children. And you can't quantify the emotional distress, the resentment. But surely it's already occupying way more than 1% of your headspace. While he gets to pooter around thinking his deep intellectual thoughts.

lavenderhoney · 20/02/2015 22:07

Op, you really believe he's a genius. All this turning up at an interveiw with odd shoes on bollocks. He's read the " dummies guide to looking super bright" hasnt he?

You can only hope he really is a genius and when your df retires the new boss thinks the same. And is tolerant of it all. And he networks like mad so he has fallback. You need to be sure, before you hitch your wagon.

Nothing wrong with supoorting at home if you can afford help, a dishwasher, cars, lots of spare cash. But if you can't..

Inertia · 20/02/2015 22:09

He's using your time in two ways. Firstly, you are doing tasks such as cooking meals and doing laundry that he would have to do for himself if he lived alone - and you are working at least as many hours as him. Secondly, you are spending hours tidying the mess which he actively generates. If he wasn't there, the amount of cleaning required would be much lower.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:09

Imperial
"The thing is that you have a rich interior life which you are having to give up so that he can have a rich interior life."
Yep - this is precisely what spawns my resentment...

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 22:11

"Does he really read threads about abusive men and think that the woman posting it should put up and shut up?"
No, absolutely not - he has a huge number of female friends who he has the utmost respect for. His issue is that he has a preconception about Mumsnet without even reading the threads - if he did, I'm sure he'd switch perspectives extremely quickly.

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Handywoman · 20/02/2015 22:17

Unless he read this particular thread, of course.

vdbfamily · 20/02/2015 22:18

It doesn't sound to me like either of you have any spare time at all. Must be incredibly frustrating for both of you with the hours you are both working. 14/15 hours a day working or studying? What a nightmare for both of you. Do you get any sleep?

VioletMoon4683 · 20/02/2015 22:19

I think it boils down to him developing systems/routines, writing them down, leaving a rota on the fridge and then taking pride in competing tasks.

So sit down with him. Tell him his slobbery ways are making you feel less in love with him. You want him to be a partner not a helpless man child. Together brainstorm and list all the jobs that need doing. Ask which jobs he would prefer to do on which days. You list the jobs you would prefer to do too. Write up a rota together. Put it on the fridge. Tell him you won't nag him to do any of the rota jobs (you mustn't) but if he fails to follow the rota, it will make you love him a little less every day.

Leave him to find a recipe, shop and cook on his cooking days by the way! You must be careful not to disempower him.

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